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oh well, we already got the top 2 in state players
oh well, we already got the top 2 in state players
duggan officialy off the board?
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Didn't he post a week or so ago saying Duggan was visiting Minnesota and likely going to commit before leaving?
Oh, and some fans were saying for the last will he's been a silent verbal as well.
Seems kind of random...I guess it was known he wanted more of a spread type football. And he should have decent numbers there seeing as Big 12 defenses are pretty much non-existent.
I like the selection if not Iowa. They appear to run an offense that is geared towards his skill set. And he should have solid defenses to get him the ball.
Iowa hasn't been in play for awhile.. kid is a true talent so let's be glad he isn't going to a team we face every year
Glad he went out of the BIG since he wasn't choosing the Hawks. Good luck to him, and good luck to him getting to throw the ball all over the field, but learning very little to make him a desirable pro QB.
Thought he would be a good fit style wise at PSU. Glad he’s outta the B1G though.
Now you are all glad he is out of the Big 10.
When Minnesota was being mentioned, you all let me know that he was no big loss and he would not do well.
Ok, he's back to being quite good again.......LMAO
When Minnesota was being mentioned, you all let me know that he was no big loss and he would not do well.
Ok, he's back to being quite good again.......LMAO
Good Luck...Hopefully he can be the next Busty Underwood at TCU.
HMM
I seem to recall many laughing at you for thinking the boat rower had a shot vs half the other offers. LMAO
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Take a hike know-it-all. Pro-set offense doesn't fit the style of QB he is. Glad he's not a gofer, smart kid. Now he's a horned front, bet of luck to him.
Not too upset. Would have loved to have him but he really doesnt fit our offense that well and seemed like a kid that wanted to get out of town so to speak. Glad he chose to head out of the Big10
I don't agree with this assertion. You can have mobility and still be a perfectly good pro-style QB. I could see Duggan landing somewhere between Russell Wilson and Aaron Rodgers as a pro-style QB.
Maybe TCU sold him on being a next-gen Andy Dalton?
Anyhow, I'm pleased with how the Hawks recruited Duggan. They offered him early and stayed on him. They didn't make the same sort of mistake that they made with Oliver Martin. From what I understood, had Riley remained at Nebraska ... Duggan very likely would have ended up there.
As others have stated ... I'm at least happy that we don't have to face Duggan in the B1G.
I agree with you as well. I knew once we got Petras, the Duggan to Iowa thought was dead imo. Think TCU is a good fit for him because he is still a better thrower than runner.
The eligibility spacing definitely seems to work out better for Petras ... that's for sure. However, another factor is how players see themselves fitting within a system. When Duggan was first recruited by the Hawks ... he was hearing about Greg Davis's O and being compared to guys like C.J. Beathard and Colt McCoy.
Now, under Brian, he sees the Hawks having Stanley ... and we're potentially back to the stereo-type of having the prototypical big, tall NFL QB body. When he sees Stanley, he doesn't see guy like himself. Furthermore, he sees Petras coming in ... and likely perceives Petras as a Stanley clone and the next heir apparent. It's not necessarily true ... but it could have colored perception.
He may be a loss, but he is a dual threat QB. Iowa already has 2 young QB's that are pro-style (better fit for Iowa) plus Stanley for 2 more years. I believe he is a good player and will be successful in the right situation. Apparently for him that situation is TCU. There will be other QB's down the road to recruit for all teams involved anyway. How would he have fit the Minnesota program Goldteam? I am assuming he would have been a better fit for Minny than Iowa?
Brad Banks was a "dual-threat" guy ... and he did pretty well at Iowa. Similarly, Mansell was more of a dual-threat QB down in Texas. With any QB, the big issue is how well they can handle the mental-side of the game ... and not just automatically tuck the ball and run. That is the one problem with dual-threat guys in a pro-style O ... they sometimes bank too much on their mobility and athleticism ... and they don't trust their reads and/or understanding of the game. That occasionally slows their development. The guys who understand their progressions ... but who can still use their legs to either get out of trouble and/or move the chains ... those guys can be lethal!
Yeah If I am Iowa there I would have been selling the extra deminsion a passing QB with the ability to run could add. (Ala Brad Banks). Again I will say the recruitting of a qb every year is a double edged sword.
Yes ghost I am well aware of Brad Banks. I saw Mansell was listed as a pro-style by rivals. Didn't realize he is really a dual-threat? Banks was an accomplished passer, but like you said knew how to and when to run. Based on the history of Iowa QB's vast majority have been pro-style. Why would Iowa recruit dual-threats and then try to train them to be a pass first QB if it slows down their development? Banks was already pretty well polished in all aspects when Iowa brought him in as a JUCO.
We dont want our QBs making a living off of running. We do however need them to run efficiently....Stanely struggled with that some last year.
Quite a few times he had 4 or 5 easy yards and would wait to commit as he was trying to squeeze a throw in. He needs to get better at knowing when to take off and just being ok with a 5 yard scramble.
Tate- not a runner but a good scrambler. CJB...same before he was hurt. Banks- not a running QB but knew when to run and was shifty enough to be effective.
Quite a few times he had 4 or 5 easy yards and would wait to commit as he was trying to squeeze a throw in. He needs to get better at knowing when to take off and just being ok with a 5 yard scramble.
Tate- not a runner but a good scrambler. CJB...same before he was hurt. Banks- not a running QB but knew when to run and was shifty enough to be effective.
The point is that a dual-threat QB's development doesn't have to be slowed ... it's a function of how coachable the kid is AND how well the QB coach can get the kid to trust his reads (and have patience to go through his progressions). O'Keefe has always liked guys who had mobility ... just look at how the Hawks recruited QBs back in the early 2000s ... we had Jason Manson, Drew Tate, and Eric McCollum. Each of those guys had mobility as part of his arsenal.
I remember when Drew Stanton was at Michigan State ... hew as a dual-threat QB who ultimately learned the ropes of playing the QB position within a pro-style framework.
One of the "problems" with dual-threat guys is that they often perceive themselves as "gamers" ... and that sort of guy almost has too much of his game rely on improvisation. Those guys can make positive yards ... even on bad plays ... but then they're not always critical enough or reflective enough upon their mistakes. Drew Tate developed a strained relationship with O'Keefe because of this very type of situation. O'Keefe was always looking to challenge Tate and force him to be critical of his own play ... and to focus on improvement. Unfortunately, Tate's own attitude got a little in the way (and unfortunately his step-dad Dick Olin didn't help matters there either).
Anyhow, look at Mansell's numbers. As a SR he passed for around 2500 yards and 33 TDs, but also rushed for 1100 yards and 15 TDs.
CJ Beathard, when healthy, had a very similar skill set to Brad Banks. Beathard was sneaky fast ... could make big yards scrambling. Unfortunately, health issues seemed to almost always limit his mobility when at Iowa (the ISU game in '15 was one of the few previews of what a healthy Beathard could do).
It's also worth mentioning that Beathard was a Ken O'Keefe recruit too.
Yep
Hurt his hip on the TD run against PITT after ISU game and he wasnt the same since.
Correct, if beathard would have stayed healthy he would have been special.
When asked about Iowa he basically stated he didn't like the offensive philosophy; can't really say I blame him.
