Ellingson and Bohannon
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Opinion = personal view. The result of an opinion can result in others interpreting the opinion as bashing. Since you are so good at researching the previous posts by members can you please show me where I put Brady Ellingson in the "Coe Club"? There are plenty of freshmen and RS freshmen who play that do not have the "Deer in the headlights" look during the game. Brady is not a gifted athlete; therefore, his adjustment time may be longer. In addition, it is not like OSU, Rutgers, and Nebby are the cream of the crop of the B1G Conference.
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And it's boorish by the way. I thought if anyone would know that, it would be you.
I really disagree with your assessment. Brady is doing more than just playing at a P5 level and Fran does not hand out scholarships to players that can't play at a P5 level. Saying a player is D3 is really an insult to the player and the coach who recruited him.
Mike helped bring back Iowa basketball. He spent 4 years doing it. He worked his a** off. He graduated. Thanks to a player like Mike we can think about a big ten title someday. Yeah I know his shooting went south; and I know how many times he had the ball and everyone knew he was driving, the other players could of yelled "BALL!" Mike was a great Hawkeye. Let's move on and up.
It could be if it were true. I will let Brady's play on the court speak for itself.
If the last 3-4 games are an indicator that Brady Ellingson has arrived then good for the Hawkeyes and good for Brady. The truth that I was referring to concerns his play last year and the first 15 or so games this year. I have no axe to grind with Brady Ellingson.
Brady was one of the main reasons we beat Purdue last year. It takes some players some time to put things all together. B.J Armstrong didn't exactly light things up his 1st year either or did a number of other Iowa players sometimes until their Junior or Senior years.
This is Brady's second year playing. BJ played as a true freshman in a reserve role behind Andre Banks who happened to be the MVP of the Hawkeyes that year. Not really a good comparison because BJ was the starting PG his second year and averaged 12 points a game and 4.2 assists per game. I doubt Brady Ellingson will ever be in BJ Armstong's stature.
You just have to feel so confident with JBo and BE in the game - very few mistakes, potent offensive threats especially at the 3 ball, solid but not spectacular defense.
I'll fall in line with others who said I really didn't see this one coming. Well done gentlemen.
Heck, it's clear to me that JBo is the MVP so far with Baer a close second.
I'll fall in line with others who said I really didn't see this one coming. Well done gentlemen.
Heck, it's clear to me that JBo is the MVP so far with Baer a close second.
You would think cook or Wagner would guard the hoop better than Baer-- but he is the man under the hoop
B.J averaged playing 7 minutes a game his FR year with a scoring average of 2.6. For a future 11 year NBA player and 18th pick in the 1st round, it would seem to indicate that it may have taken him a while to adjust to the college game.
I would certainly not compare Ellingson to Armstrong. I was just pointing out that it takes time for players to adjust to D1 even those that later become great NBA players.
BJ played behind Andre Banks, the MVP of the Hawkeyes during BJ's freshman year, thus his 7 minutes per game average. Do some research and stop offering up nonsense about whether BJ was ready as a freshman. In addition, BJ was a true freshman while Ellingson RS his freshman year, therefore, Ellingson began his career a year older than BJ. BJ played the number of minutes one would expect playing behind a PG that was drafted by the Houston Rockets.
Moreover, BJ averaged 12 points a game and 4.2 assist per game as a sophomore proving that he was ready once Andre Banks graduated.
http://articles.chicagotribune.com/1986-04-20/sports/8601280928_1_hawkeyes-award-george-raveling
And how many years did Banks play in the NBA with Houston as the 5th round draft choice?
Does it matter? He was the Most Valuable Player for Iowa during BJs freshman year playing the same position that BJ played. Andre Banks led the Hawkeyes in assists 3 consecutive years.
Just read this, not on here much anymore.
I am not sure i said D3, or Coe or anything like that specifically. Maybe I did, I dunno exactly what I said. Yes, I did not believe he was a top tier D1 talent and Fran should have probably not recruited him.
More than happy to say I apparently was wrong, and good for him! Great to see. I will gladly eat the crow, and even have some seconds.
I think their were quite a few that didn't think he had the abilities to compete at this level. I saw a good shooter yes, but not much else that told me he could excel at the B1G level. Glad he is shutting everyone up! I would MUCH rather have it be that way than be right! I hope every player succeeds, bigtime! No one loves it more than me when they do!
That being said, if we constantly argue about the guys who pan out vs those who don't or transfer, we can probably go on forever about our player prediction hit or misses.
It's sort of like the political crap on FB, I am right and you are stupid, no, I am right and YOU are stupid! back and forth it goes. lol
I was clearly wrong on this one, and I actually feel great about that. Now let's see some others step up the level Brady is playing at!
I did think Bohannon would be a stud tho, never argued his merits or being a fallback recruit. It's in the genes with him. That kid is awesome, and quickly becoming my favorite player on the team. That kid is tough as nails, and it is gonna be great watching him over the next 4 years.
Cook will be fine, he just needs to find himself a bit. Kriener i like too and has impressed me a lot. I liked him out of high school and thought he was a great offer, many didn't agree. Pemsl has shown good things, I wasn't sure his body would let him compete at the level he is right now but am glad he is staying fairly healthy.
Williams and Dailey? I guess jury still out a bit? Moss has the potential to be awesome I know that.
I will admit, I actually haven't watch to many of the games this year, been busy with work and kids stuff and all that. From what I have been able to see, I know I like what I am seeing out there, it's more exiting ball than what we have seen for a long time. Hoping to come down for the Illinois game with the fam to see an illwhini butt kicking!
I will eat the crow on Ellingson tho. Now, you can continue hating on me if you wish, not a big concern. Like I said, we can rinse and repeat over every player on this pretty much. I know I stand out when i say something negative, which is fine. I have said more positive tho lately, and am trying to focus more on that. Every darn player I think has their poster list of "will be great" & "will be bust" list. It's just sort of what happens on here. There are a few posters who believe totally and are in positively on every darn player Fran recruits, but that list is probably pretty small. Most of us throw our skeptical opinions out there from time to time, or all the time. So be it, that are what message boards are for! I like to think I am not on that list so much anymore. Guess probably my biggest complaint these days is maybe we still need a true PG, and Fran has to many guys who are about the same size, playing the same position? I just think his recruiting style has changed because of his high level recruit misses. He can't afford to do that anymore. I think he just simply gets the best athletic kids he can get now, and worries about how to mold it into a successful team later. Still needs some deeper NCAA tournament runs till the big boys come calling. Also, I think it is unfortunate that so many view him as an ass on the court. Now, we know he isn't and most of the time is justified, but believe me, that sentiment in the general public is huge. I think that view people have of him really hurts him, especially on the recruiting level nationally, which is too bad. We know he fights for his players and his team. I get frustrated whenever something happens the mass public says, there he goes being a complete whiny a$$hat again, or whatever. I don't know how he changes that at this point. He did the right thing coming into this league with the terrible officiating, he fought for respect for his teams, and he had too. Anyways, could go on about that all day long too, sorry.
Glad to see you all still on here being active. Glad to see Bob is still fighting the good fight on the positive at all costs, other be damned train! lol. Haven't posted much on here for a year, but the guys never forgets, apparently. That's cool, I am a good guy in real life, a huge fan, just like he is. We are all Hawkeyes. I can move on. It's a new loving, caring Hansenhawk fellas. 12 steps. ha. I like this team, I like the future. Keep the talent coming in! Fun times! Sorry so long. Go Hawks!
I am not sure i said D3, or Coe or anything like that specifically. Maybe I did, I dunno exactly what I said. Yes, I did not believe he was a top tier D1 talent and Fran should have probably not recruited him.
More than happy to say I apparently was wrong, and good for him! Great to see. I will gladly eat the crow, and even have some seconds.
I think their were quite a few that didn't think he had the abilities to compete at this level. I saw a good shooter yes, but not much else that told me he could excel at the B1G level. Glad he is shutting everyone up! I would MUCH rather have it be that way than be right! I hope every player succeeds, bigtime! No one loves it more than me when they do!
That being said, if we constantly argue about the guys who pan out vs those who don't or transfer, we can probably go on forever about our player prediction hit or misses.
It's sort of like the political crap on FB, I am right and you are stupid, no, I am right and YOU are stupid! back and forth it goes. lol
I was clearly wrong on this one, and I actually feel great about that. Now let's see some others step up the level Brady is playing at!
I did think Bohannon would be a stud tho, never argued his merits or being a fallback recruit. It's in the genes with him. That kid is awesome, and quickly becoming my favorite player on the team. That kid is tough as nails, and it is gonna be great watching him over the next 4 years.
Cook will be fine, he just needs to find himself a bit. Kriener i like too and has impressed me a lot. I liked him out of high school and thought he was a great offer, many didn't agree. Pemsl has shown good things, I wasn't sure his body would let him compete at the level he is right now but am glad he is staying fairly healthy.
Williams and Dailey? I guess jury still out a bit? Moss has the potential to be awesome I know that.
I will admit, I actually haven't watch to many of the games this year, been busy with work and kids stuff and all that. From what I have been able to see, I know I like what I am seeing out there, it's more exiting ball than what we have seen for a long time. Hoping to come down for the Illinois game with the fam to see an illwhini butt kicking!
I will eat the crow on Ellingson tho. Now, you can continue hating on me if you wish, not a big concern. Like I said, we can rinse and repeat over every player on this pretty much. I know I stand out when i say something negative, which is fine. I have said more positive tho lately, and am trying to focus more on that. Every darn player I think has their poster list of "will be great" & "will be bust" list. It's just sort of what happens on here. There are a few posters who believe totally and are in positively on every darn player Fran recruits, but that list is probably pretty small. Most of us throw our skeptical opinions out there from time to time, or all the time. So be it, that are what message boards are for! I like to think I am not on that list so much anymore. Guess probably my biggest complaint these days is maybe we still need a true PG, and Fran has to many guys who are about the same size, playing the same position? I just think his recruiting style has changed because of his high level recruit misses. He can't afford to do that anymore. I think he just simply gets the best athletic kids he can get now, and worries about how to mold it into a successful team later. Still needs some deeper NCAA tournament runs till the big boys come calling. Also, I think it is unfortunate that so many view him as an ass on the court. Now, we know he isn't and most of the time is justified, but believe me, that sentiment in the general public is huge. I think that view people have of him really hurts him, especially on the recruiting level nationally, which is too bad. We know he fights for his players and his team. I get frustrated whenever something happens the mass public says, there he goes being a complete whiny a$$hat again, or whatever. I don't know how he changes that at this point. He did the right thing coming into this league with the terrible officiating, he fought for respect for his teams, and he had too. Anyways, could go on about that all day long too, sorry.
Glad to see you all still on here being active. Glad to see Bob is still fighting the good fight on the positive at all costs, other be damned train! lol. Haven't posted much on here for a year, but the guys never forgets, apparently. That's cool, I am a good guy in real life, a huge fan, just like he is. We are all Hawkeyes. I can move on. It's a new loving, caring Hansenhawk fellas. 12 steps. ha. I like this team, I like the future. Keep the talent coming in! Fun times! Sorry so long. Go Hawks!
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Think if I recall, I said D2 and Upper Iowa? Maybe it was Wartburg? It wasn't Coe tho I know that. Upper Iowa is D2 tho so that wouldn't have bad as bad of an insult. lol
Oddly enuf, a kid I know who is playing for Upper Iowa now, I swear the kid could at least be playing at UNI or similar level. Kid is unreal and tough as nails, like Bohannon in a Brady body, perhaps? Hit a bunch of game winners this year for them already. Kid is a PG and is a fearless beast. Now idea how he did not end up at a higher level school.
Just makes me wonder exactly how these kids are viewed for whatever level? This kid could be playing major ball, and am sure his size is why he never was considered. So, why was Brady or someone similar considered good enuf?
Kids like that I will never get. Let's face it, you DO see a lot of players similar to Brady at those levels, so what separated him? He was just a shooter pretty much, right? Lots of good shooters out there.
The bigger athletes I get, obviously.
Just wonder what makes a D1 coach think a kid like Brady can play at that level, with just a ton of others in high schools considered very similar out there, and they end up at much lower levels.
Oddly enuf, a kid I know who is playing for Upper Iowa now, I swear the kid could at least be playing at UNI or similar level. Kid is unreal and tough as nails, like Bohannon in a Brady body, perhaps? Hit a bunch of game winners this year for them already. Kid is a PG and is a fearless beast. Now idea how he did not end up at a higher level school.
Just makes me wonder exactly how these kids are viewed for whatever level? This kid could be playing major ball, and am sure his size is why he never was considered. So, why was Brady or someone similar considered good enuf?
Kids like that I will never get. Let's face it, you DO see a lot of players similar to Brady at those levels, so what separated him? He was just a shooter pretty much, right? Lots of good shooters out there.
The bigger athletes I get, obviously.
Just wonder what makes a D1 coach think a kid like Brady can play at that level, with just a ton of others in high schools considered very similar out there, and they end up at much lower levels.
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