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End Of White Working Class Voting for Dems

The Democrat's biggest problem is their propensity for identity politics. They can't shake it because it's who they are.


Except that's not what occurred. Look in the mirror.

- Harris didn't run on trying to break the female glass ceiling
- She didn't run on her black or Indian heritage
- She tried - unsuccessfully - to attract moderate Republicans, heck she even campaigned with a Cheney
- She tried - unsuccessfully - to bring back blue collar workers with populist economic messages, not identity stuff.

Then there's Trump:

- Trump brings up whether Harris is actually black at all - when did she become black?
- Trump's whole movement has been fueled by white resentment. Legitimating their sense of victimization and grievances. Countless examples of course: “There is a definite anti-white feeling in this country, and that can’t be allowed”. So many in the aftermath of George Floyd and BLM.
- Consistent fear mongering of non-white immigrants - they eat pets!!! They're slitting the throats of housewives and raping young women!
- Made a insignificant and low in numbers group - trans people - a focus of the campaign. As identity politics as it comes.
- Who is always hyper focused about wokeness and DEI?
- Childless cat ladies

And on and on. A more "normal" Republican - hard to imagine one winning a nomination - who was less focused on identity politics and more focused on hanging inflation and border dysfunction on Harris would likely have ran the score up even more.
 
Eight years after fury among white working-class voters propelled Donald J. Trump to victory, Democrats swore that this time, they would try to do better with that group.

Instead, the party’s staggering challenges with blue-collar voters have only worsened. Widespread frustration with high prices and alienation from Democrats have turned the party’s lawmakers in Trump territory into an ever-more-endangered species.

I did not hear one Democrat say the US should reduce the massive deficit spending and tie the inflation problem to massive gov deficits.

Dems act like they wrote the book on smarts but I still contend the vast majority of them do not understand economics.

By balancing the budget, taxes go up and spending goes down. People will have less money and will therefore spend less and prices will fall. As the savings goes up, exports go up.

Below is link to NY Times story.

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Lol
 
So it was Fauci’s fault?
Are you serious Clark?
Trump and the Republicans had no phuquing clue as to what to do with healthcare…. That was the issue the first 4 years…. Now at least, he says he has a “ concept”…. Whatever the phuque that means.
Fauci broke the law and funded gain of function research which led to the creation of covid 19. He's largely to blame and deserves prison for that in addition to lying in congressional hearings.
 
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The ACA has been absolute dog shit and health care costs have all sky rocketed since its inception.
lol…so repeal it. Go ahead. Even with just the “concepts of a plan” to replace it, people should cheer. The maggots have talked shit from day one yet can not seem to develop ANYTHING that can take its place. That makes the GOP dumb as all hell. Right?
 
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“In Missouri, voters passed a pro–abortion rights initiative and another that raised the minimum wage and mandated paid leave. These are all Democratic positions. But as far as electing someone to high office, the Man-Boy Love Party could probably come closer than the Democrats. Trump beat Harris there by 18 points, and Josh Hawley beat Lucas Kunce, who ran a good race and pasted Hawley in their debate, by 14 points.”

—Michael Tomasky, The New Republic
 
lol…so repeal it. Go ahead. Even with just the “concepts of a plan” to replace it, people should cheer. The maggots have talked shit from day one yet can not seem to develop ANYTHING that can take its place. That makes the GOP dumb as all hell. Right?
All I got from your post is that you're triggered af
 
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Fauci broke the law and funded gain of function research which led to the creation of covid 19. He's largely to blame and deserves prison for that in addition to lying in congressional hearings.
Phuque you too, scruffy! He goes to prison as soon a Trump goes to prison for his violations of the law. Helksbells….think about it….Trump has been convicted by a jury of peers!?
Just shut the Phuque up. Shut the **** up, please?
 
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Except that's not what occurred. Look in the mirror.

- Harris didn't run on trying to break the female glass ceiling
- She didn't run on her black or Indian heritage
- She tried - unsuccessfully - to attract moderate Republicans, heck she even campaigned with a Cheney
- She tried - unsuccessfully - to bring back blue collar workers with populist economic messages, not identity stuff.

Then there's Trump:

- Trump brings up whether Harris is actually black at all - when did she become black?
- Trump's whole movement has been fueled by white resentment. Legitimating their sense of victimization and grievances. Countless examples of course: “There is a definite anti-white feeling in this country, and that can’t be allowed”. So many in the aftermath of George Floyd and BLM.
- Consistent fear mongering of non-white immigrants - they eat pets!!! They're slitting the throats of housewives and raping young women!
- Made a insignificant and low in numbers group - trans people - a focus of the campaign. As identity politics as it comes.
- Who is always hyper focused about wokeness and DEI?
- Childless cat ladies

And on and on. A more "normal" Republican - hard to imagine one winning a nomination - who was less focused on identity politics and more focused on hanging inflation and border dysfunction on Harris would likely have ran the score up even more.
I actually voted for Harris and thought after the debate that she would win. She missed her big opportunity to appeal to the working class on inflation, the border and China.

Sticking it to China has strong bipartisan support. She could have easily been for:

1. Ending the De Minimis tariff exception
2. Ending China having most favored nation
3. Demanding China keep the promise they made to Obama and not militarize the S. China Sea or tariffs would go up.

She should have talked to Bernie Sanders and got ideas from him on helping the working class. I disagree with most of what Bernie is for, but I love his passion for the working class.
 
Phuque you too, scruffy! He goes to prison as soon a Trump goes to prison for his violations of the law. Helksbells….think about it….Trump has been convicted by a jury of peers!?
Just shut the Phuque up. Shut the **** up, please?
Difference is trump is innocent and fauci is guilty af
 
Difference is trump is innocent and fauci is guilty af
Yeah right…..America witnessed Trump’s innocence on January 6, 2021. Then much of America experienced “senior moment” and forgot that Trump tried to interfere with the orderly transfer of power (treason). However, for us that watched and remembered, Trump will always be a traitor to the nation he took and oathe to defend. With Trump anywhere close to the center of American power, this nations future as a Constitutional democracy is always in doubt. America needs to be wary of Trump and his Trumpanzees.
 
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I actually voted for Harris and thought after the debate that she would win. She missed her big opportunity to appeal to the working class on inflation, the border and China.

Sticking it to China has strong bipartisan support. She could have easily been for:

1. Ending the De Minimis tariff exception
2. Ending China having most favored nation
3. Demanding China keep the promise they made to Obama and not militarize the S. China Sea or tariffs would go up.

She should have talked to Bernie Sanders and got ideas from him on helping the working class. I disagree with most of what Bernie is for, but I love his passion for the working class.

Plenty of things that - in hindsight - she could have done differently. But I don't think there was really much hope. It just wasn't in the cards:

- Inflation happened during Biden's term. It doesn't matter whose fault it is. The party in control gets punished. The conservatives in power lost in the UK, largely from people upset about about inflation. Harris was part of the Biden admin.

- I don't think policies and promises would have made any difference. Basically every economist believed that Harris's plans would be better for inflation and the deficit than Trump's plans of tariffs, lower taxes, mass deportation, and a greater influence on monetary policy. People don't care, policy stuff is boring. It's hard to message that. Harris was in the Biden admin, they had their chance.

- People's memory/nostalgia for the pre-Covid days was greater than their memory or distaste for the daily chaos of the Trump admin. Again, it doesn't matter if Trump was or was not primarily responsible - he was in office - and pre-Covid was largely good.

- She apparently was not popular/likable. I don't have my own opinion of this, I didn't watch the debate, I haven't watched any of her speeches, rallies, interviews, any of it. The most I saw of her was accidentally seeing commercials on TV. But her 2020 run was not successful and she only had a couple of months to tack to the center and gain ground, it didn't happen.

- Dysfunction at the border was a real thing. And a lot of it was caused by choices Biden made, as evidenced by improvements when he eventually reversed course. And again, was Harris calling the shots? No, Biden was in charge, the buck stops there, but again Harris was in the administration.

I think she would have lost much worse to a "normal" Republican like Haley. I think the only chance the Democrats would have had is if Biden dropped out much earlier and the party would have been able to select someone outside of the admin who would have had a longer time to make their pitch and be less tied down to a unpopular admin. That combined with a historically awful opponent in Trump.
 
Yeah right…..America witnessed Trump’s innocence on January 6, 2021. Then much of America experienced “senior moment” and forgot that Trump tried to interfere with the orderly transfer of power (treason). However, for us that watched and remembered, Trump will always be a traitor to the nation he took and oathe to defend. With Trump anywhere close to the center of American power, this nations future as a Constitutional democracy is always in doubt. America needs to be wary of Trump and his Trumpanzees.
Trump told people to be peaceful and obey law enforcement. You don't have an argument here even.

Plus Nancy is on video taking responsibility for j6 anyways.

You've got nothing. Trump is clearly innocent and fauci is not.
 
Trump told people to be peaceful and obey law enforcement. You don't have an argument here even.

Plus Nancy is on video taking responsibility for j6 anyways.

You've got nothing. Trump is clearly innocent and fauci is not.
Trump called the mob to DC for weeks leading up to the riots…he promised something was gonna happen that day…. It has all been well documented…he riled up the crowd and told them “follow me!” And then he ran away like the chicken shit he is. (Old Bonespurs didn’t avoid the draft because he was a hero!)
 
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Trump called the mob to DC for weeks leading up to the riots…he promised something was gonna happen that day…. It has all been well documented…he riled up the crowd and told them “follow me!” And then he ran away like the chicken shit he is. (Old Bonespurs didn’t avoid the draft because he was a hero!)
I don't know what you're even trying to argue given Nancy is on video saying it was her fault. Also the fbi had something like 200 people embedded in the crowd like Ray epps. Yawn.
 
Trump called the mob to DC for weeks leading up to the riots…he promised something was gonna happen that day…. It has all been well documented…he riled up the crowd and told them “follow me!” And then he ran away like the chicken shit he is. (Old Bonespurs didn’t avoid the draft because he was a hero!)


There was no insurrection lol
 
I don’t care if it “works” or not…it is the truth…and that does count.
No it's not lol zero people have been charged with insurrection. There were many "unlawful parading" charges though if you want to tell the truth for a change.
 
Americans THINK they know what they want but can't seem to figure out how to get it. They won't be getting it these next 4 plus years, that's for sure.
Jesus you are the poster child for why Dems lost. The hilarious part is that you just can’t help yourself.
 
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This is very true. California is solid blue right now, but a lot of people forget it wasn’t that long ago that California was reliably red. Until Bill Clinton showed up, Lyndon Johnson in 1964 had been the only Democratic POTUS candidate to win California since Truman beat Dewey in 1948.
However, California had A LOT more red counties at this most recent election.
 
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Hitler and Mussolini said the same shit scruffy…Trump organized this coup for weeks prior.
That’s correct. We had an incident in Tallahassee. The owner of a bar went to DC for the insurrection. He had 50 proud boys at the bar.
 
Americans THINK they know what they want but can't seem to figure out how to get it. They won't be getting it these next 4 plus years, that's for sure.
Except they knew what they got in Trump’s pre-Covid administration and liked it. They knew what they were getting with Biden’s administration and didn’t and Harris did nothing to say it would change. No further analysis required.
 
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Fauci broke the law and funded gain of function research which led to the creation of covid 19. He's largely to blame and deserves prison for that in addition to lying in congressional hearings.
Trump was president, how was he so clueless and absent not to figure this out and to hire so many criminals and people he now says were the worst? He must really struggle with hiring decisions.
 
Trump was president, how was he so clueless and absent not to figure this out and to hire so many criminals and people he now says were the worst? He must really struggle with hiring decisions.
A lot of fauci's illegal activity wasn't revealed until late into the pandemic.
 
Just get over it…Trump won…you’re still just butt hurt.
What do you want me to

“Get over”?

I’m gonna sit back and observe the diminishing of individual rights and the rise of “corporatism” and corporate rights. The fruits of “Citizen’s United” is upon us. It is this century’s “Roe v. Wade” decision.
 
Eight years after fury among white working-class voters propelled Donald J. Trump to victory, Democrats swore that this time, they would try to do better with that group.

Instead, the party’s staggering challenges with blue-collar voters have only worsened. Widespread frustration with high prices and alienation from Democrats have turned the party’s lawmakers in Trump territory into an ever-more-endangered species.

I did not hear one Democrat say the US should reduce the massive deficit spending and tie the inflation problem to massive gov deficits.

Dems act like they wrote the book on smarts but I still contend the vast majority of them do not understand economics.

By balancing the budget, taxes go up and spending goes down. People will have less money and will therefore spend less and prices will fall. As the savings goes up, exports go up.

Below is link to NY Times story.

Working Class
Trump knows how to drive companies into bankruptcy and stiff creditors. He is going to do great this time around surrounded by rear kissing yes men.
 
Huey doing his best to make sure a republican in office doesn’t succeed.
Oh yay, we're back to the Bush II administration. As with the Iraq war, when things go to shit because of Trump/Republican policies it will all be the liberals fault for not clapping.

And after 4 years of non-stop and often hysterical negativity from types like you per the Biden Administration.
 
Jesus you are the poster child for why Dems lost. The hilarious part is that you just can’t help yourself.
You're the poster child for a dumb ass.

You guys just can't quit this schtick. So what you're saying is that the actual policy agenda of Republicans is unpopular and should be a loser in elections but because of posters like Tom on message boards the Republicans are able to win?
 
Oh yay, we're back to the Bush II administration. As with the Iraq war, when things go to shit because of Trump/Republican policies it will all be the liberals fault for not clapping.

And after 4 years of non-stop and often hysterical negativity from types like you per the Biden Administration.
I never said anything about it being their fault. All I’m saying is let Trump fail before assuming the sky is falling. Give it a little break before starting back up.
 
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