Universal health care, universal basic income, equity of outcomes… read sullivans article. He articulates it pretty well
Excellent article by Andrew Sullivan on why, despite some of the ding dongs
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Universal healthcare is the only policy that Democrats widely support.
So given that you are against universal healthcare, what should happen to someone without insurance or means who goes to the ER with an injury or illness? To be consistent with what your view is you would have to advocate turning them away and letting them suffer.
That’s not true. Mail in ballots and ballot harvesting were previously issues that have been debated by both Republicans and democrats.
After 20 years, Florida Republicans look to ban ballot harvesting — again
But they’re leaving out one top recommendation by a 2012 grand jury.
I don’t care about trump.
Yes, both parties promoted mail in ballots, but Republicans made it an art form. Again, it wasn’t until 2020 that the R party started bitching.That’s not true. Mail in ballots and ballot harvesting were previously issues that have been debated by both Republicans and democrats.
After 20 years, Florida Republicans look to ban ballot harvesting — again
But they’re leaving out one top recommendation by a 2012 grand jury.www.tampabay.com
I don’t care about trump.
What "left" made these changes? Most were done by legislatures....These "changes" in Iowa (which is where I live and what I care about) were wildly successful......with hardly a problem......but yet "the legislature" felt it was necessary to reign in county auditors and their responsibilities because of "what might have happened" altho NONE of their fears were ever proven or prosecuted as happening.
Do you think that whatever the Iowa legislature does makes an iota of difference in Michigan? And again bandit......where is your proof that these things you allude to, ever occurred?
LOL - you do realize Jeb Bush is a republican, right?That’s not true. Mail in ballots and ballot harvesting were previously issues that have been debated by both Republicans and democrats.
After 20 years, Florida Republicans look to ban ballot harvesting — again
But they’re leaving out one top recommendation by a 2012 grand jury.
I don’t care about trump.
No. Your propaganda tells you that because there are a few out there talking about it. But it's not among the policy discussions being considered by Democrats. That's just another example of the far right making shit up.
I take it from your non-response that you are an advocate for turning away the sick and injured who don't have insurance. Makes sense that you would adopt that despicable stance.
Well. Except in Florida when they bitched about it repeatedly starting decades ago. But other than that, yep, never complained about it. I, by the way, had these same get out the vote blue tactic complaints in the bush era when I lived in Chicago. This is nothing new. Just because trump bellyached about it doesn’t make it not an issue.
Checks @Banditking ’s join date. Sees that it was late April when @NCHawk5 had his banhammer.
Probably just a big coincidence.
Of 2002. Nchawk joined in 2019. So, you have a better argument that nchawk is my troll account.
Yes. You do realize I said both sides have harped on this at different times historically.
I’m hoping you mean all Americans of every stripe. Because yes, we can, should, and must.
What things are you asking for proof about? Are you referencing the time magazine article reporting on what democrats said they did in the last election? You want proof they did what they said they did?
Think about it this way. There’s no proof that plumbers wouldn’t do just a good a job being your primary care physician than physicians. No proof that nurses wouldn’t do just a good job across specialities than physicians. But, we require there be standards. Those standards are in place to ensure public trust and to ensure competent practice of medicine. It doesn’t matter if there is proven fraud. The lax voting rules are not face valid relative to security. There’s not public trust. Keep up with the ballot harvesting and you’ll have no gop support for any dem won election moving forward.
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Hmm. Yes because some fraud here and there was always present. Like snowbirds who lived here for six months and then back up north the other six. Some registered to vote in both places and before states could (or would) “share and compare” it was easy to request an absentee ballot in one or both places.
So someone could vote twice in a Presidential election.
I’m not opposed to voting by mail or absentee voting but it’s become an opportunity for those who are so inclined to commit fraud. Notice I’m not pinning it on one party.
Voter fraud disenfranchises us all...
Yes, some fraud was always present, but it’s never been widespread like orange man and his band of merry idiots claimed.
Perhaps not. But, the buckets of skewed dem votes after stopping counting in places like Atlanta aren’t a good look regardless of veracity. Whoever is on the losing side of that type of thing isn’t going to trust it. Appearances matter.
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Maybe the Republican leaders in those states should change their voting laws to allow counting as they go as they did in Florida. Nah, what am I talking about, that would be too easy.
That would be a step in the right direction. Should not be counting delays. Simplest approach though to me is in person voting with id. That’s the most secure method.
They bitched about it so much that their elected officials, including republicans, decided to maintain and expand it. LOL.
WTF? So what? You're spreading misinformation about the Democratic platform. You also don't give a shit if people suffer. Dude. SMFH
No - I realize you're trying to paint Democrats in a bad light by spreading misinformation.
You've bought the lies hook, line and sinker. What did you think of Trump asking the GA AG to "find" 11000 votes?
What does this article have to do with Iowa? Because someone in another state might cheat....why does Iowa have to change its rules? Again, typical Republican law making......We have the solution......but where is the problem? And again...you complaining here is NOT founded on anything factual. Where is the beef?
Why is that misinformation? It’s real. Truth. I’ve spread no misinformation. That you don’t like it or that it’s inconvenient for your narrative is immaterial.
It’s flattering to you that he thinks you are able to articulate your thoughts as well as I do.
Nothing. Acknowledging that your stupid ass bans of me were based solely on politics would be nice, and it’s very clear. Stop banning people, especially those that pay whatever salary you have. Fairly simple. Stop over moderating.
It's not. The only thing you mentioned that is part of the Democratic platform is universal healthcare. And you've demonstrated that you're against that because you don't give a shit about people suffering. That's part of the republican platform and is deplorable.
But you are far more concerned about non-existent voter fraud than you are his attempts to overturn the 2020 election or those who support him.
I’m an unpaid volunteer………
you, and others like you, are the only thing that keep me motivated to stay around.
I didn’t see the attempts to overturn the election as a serious threat. I do see ballot harvesting and mail in voting in the manner that Dems wish to implant as a serious threat. Also, I’d consider consider fraud more broadly in this light. I think the time magazine article highlights some of it. But, I see the Clinton funded misinformation and subsequent Russian investigation, the propping up of Michael Avenatti, blm George floyd riots and media and politician reactions and role, the kavanaugh situation, and more recently the dhs and Biden admin collaboration to moderate content in social media as perpetuating a narrative fraud, which has influenced voting.
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