Experts say a government shutdown is likely
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Republicans are aggressively nationalistic, believe that only one language should be spoken, and want to make Christianity the official state religion. You sure you want to play this game?
You deal in absolutes and blanket characterizations.
Democrats are communist and socialists rebranded. They won't be happy until we are all shuttled to an Indian Reservation like future state?
See. I can think irrationally and over-emotionally too...
Democrats are communist and socialists rebranded. They won't be happy until we are all shuttled to an Indian Reservation like future state?
See. I can think irrationally and over-emotionally too...
Half the GOP field wants to build a gigantic wall sealing us off from the rest of the world. That isn't a blanket characterization. That is a specific fact.
Half the GOP field, again, wants to forcefully deport 11 millions immigrants and rewrite our constitution to take away the citizenship of millions of others. You don't see this as examples of nationalistic fascism?
No, as a matter of fact I don't, because it isn't.
But it is a fact that the Republicans want to build the Great Wall of China between us and Mexico and line it with thousands of troops to make sure only the government can control who goes in and out. I'll ask you again. Isn't this a good example of using fascism to control the masses?
Yes, along with the Cons you most definitely are. You just do it in your own way. Both of your teams need to be disbanded.
There is that belief out there. The wall concept is a emotional reaction for unchecked immigration when there are no jobs to provide immigrants.
The wall is at least an idea. The Dems have no idea how to feed and cloth all of these immigrants except with other people's tax money.
"Magic Money" that that government has.
Wealth Gap has been eliminated on Indian Reservations. Good job. You won!
Letting ALL immigrants in just because is NOT going to do this country any good. Only a moron would think that. In the end, that is what most of this is about.
It's not even about feeding and clothing them. It's about what sort of people you let into the country. What Huey doesn't realize is that a lot of those immigrants are in fact more harm than good. The realists in this world understand. I have no problem with the common hardworking immigrant coming in and earning citizenship. I do though have a problem with MILLIONS flooding in and bringing down the communities they over flood.
You're correct.
20% of Illegal Immigrants caught at the Mexican boarder have criminal records.
http://washingtonweeklynews.com/tru...ts-caught-at-the-border-have-criminal-record/
I thought this was going to be a thread about the spread of "Religious Freedom" - to the point that so many government workers (and not just Congress) were refusing to do their job that the government had to shut down.
This article has the opposite findings. It finds that there is no causation between immigration and crime rates:
"An eight-year study of violence in Chicago led Mr Sampson to conclude that Mexican immigrants are less prone to violence than native-born Americans, whites or black, of comparable age and socio-economic status. In recent years, El Paso, Texas has had the lowest murder rate of any American city with a population of 500,000 or more, despite sitting directly across the Rio Grande from Juarez, a Mexican city plagued with horrific gang violence. Other metropolitan magnets for new arrivals from south of the border, such as San Diego, San Antonio and Phoenix, are similarly pacific. "Cities of concentrated immigration are some of the safest places around," Mr Sampson observes."
http://www.economist.com/blogs/democracyinamerica/2015/07/immigration-and-crime
There is no basis for this argument at all. In fact the opposite has been found true. As the US has been flooded with more immigrants, crime rates have actually gone down.
Legitimizing these people so that they can find work, which they want, and pay taxes, which they want, is not an idea? It's certainly a better idea than simply building an insanely expensive wall.
That's not true actually, even at all. Hate to burst your bubble there. What actually gets reported is a small fraction of what actually happens. Wrong.
Let them legitimize themselves on their way into the country. We need to enforce the laws that we already have on the books. If we don't like these laws, we need to change them.....
There's only one job created for every two immigrants.
http://cis.org/for-every-new-job-two-new-immigrants
Your solution is a fantasy and unsustainable. Well, unsustainable would mean that it worked at some point, so I guess that I not a good descriptor.
The 20% number wasn't specific to violent crime. 1 in 5 is a disturbing number.
Well, I guess it is 5 out of 5 after they cross the border and break our immigration laws.
Yes, 100% of illegal immigrants have broken the law. That is a fact that is indisputable. Some just happen to continue to break the law after they get here.
This is why you make the perfect Republican voter. You actually think "The Wall" is a plausible idea. It was that easy to convince you the GOP actually has a plan. "The Wall" will never actually get built. It's such a ridiculous idea that it would never even come up for a vote in either branch. Which is why it hasn't ever actually come out for a vote despite being a GOP immigration talking point for at least 30 years.
If the GOP were actually serious about doing something about immigration they would go after the businesses that hire them and take away the incentive for most of these people to come here illegally. I can guarantee that hiring some folks to check up on business hiring practices would be far cheaper than some ridiculous wall that actually won't keep anybody out.
That would be great if they did that. Any idea why the Democrats haven't done that?
Probably for the same reason the Republicans don't. The difference is, the Democrats don't pretend to want to kick them all out of the country as one of the cornerstones of their platform (yes, I realize not all the Republican candidates are like that, but then those folks also aren't doing very well in polling right now).
Couldn't the same be said of crimes committed by American citizens? The point is that there is very little evidence to suggest that immigrants are anymore violent than the rest of us.
The reports I've read on the matter say that most of the non violent crimes are related in some way to them being illegal. Kind of a self fulfilling prophecy.
Can you be considered an adult after a post like this?
I'm serious. You better still be a teenager, because if you're fully grown and writing posts like that you've pretty much failed the maturity test.
There was always a chance that you were intending your comment as a joke. But Huey gave you 2 chances to clarify or back off and, instead, you doubled down.
Sad.
Whether or not you think what he wrote was rational, your response wasn't justified. There is no reason to call someone an effin idiot like that.
Republicans fear the last two years of Obama's administration. As each day passes, they realize they are one day closer to having a chance to win the '16 general election and then they will have to actually solve the problems they say plague this nation.
The problem the GOP has, is they have NO answers for these issues. These problems go way beyond lower taxes, less regulation and smaller government.
The problem the GOP has, is they have NO answers for these issues. These problems go way beyond lower taxes, less regulation and smaller government.
