Facebook/Meta in dramatic shift are dropping censorship in favor of Elon Musk’s free speech Community Notes feature.

[abby97]

By virtue of the Fourteenth Amendment, Government agencies and government officials are forbidden from regulating or restricting speech or other expression based on its content or viewpoint.

Non Government groups can publish whatever they want. Call it censorship. Call it banana cream pie. I don't really care.

Sorry your feelings are so hurt.

How many times do you have beat your head against the wall before you admit to yourself that you were wrong? When the government pressures a private company to only say approved content, that IS restricting free speech. Oh, have you heard, the world is not flat?

 

[goldmom]

Not only that, but if you establish that government agencies have the right and ability to control speech on your platform...well, guess what, now these are (to some extent) Trump's agencies. Not such attractive partners to silicon valley anymore.

They are out-maneuvering Trump by buttering him up, but they really don't want his administration to have the same control they gave the Democrats.

Which is exactly why you don't give government the power over speech in the first place, duh. Hopefully a good lesson learned to all.

I agree but I’d like to hear more about why you think it’s “buttering up”? To me it’s also a “uh oh party’s over time to stop screwing around” move.

 

[noStemsnoSTICKS]

How many times do you have beat your head against the wall before you admit to yourself that you were wrong? When the government pressures a private company to only say approved content, that IS restricting free speech. Oh, have you heard, the world is not flat?

I'm not wrong.

Is FB a Government agency?

I'll answer that. No they're not.

Must they comply with the government's request?

I'll answer that too. No, they're not required to do so.

 

[Hawk_82]

Show me where I cited them as a source the same way you did, patriot.

You disregarded an entire House Weaponization report as, and I quote: "Right wing propaganda from a partisan group of politicians."

You don't want the truth, you want to believe the propaganda. J6 was leftist propaganda so I assume you believe every word of what they wrote.

 

[Finance85]

I'm not wrong.

Is FB a Government agency?

I'll answer that. No they're not.

Must they comply with the government's request?

I'll answer that too. No, they're not required to do so.

What do you think would happen if Meta didn't comply? If you think it's nothing, you are being naive at best.

 

[goldmom]

Because of what you said yesterday in the same thread (I believe same thread).

Zuckerberg is putting his wet finger in the air to see where the winds of criticism are coming from.

Ok. I made that remark with regard to his “sincerity” as much as anything else. He’s not quite there in seeing the light if you will…at least that’s my takeaway.

 

[SB_SB]

Moron, what Fauci was pushing WAS the propaganda! He admitted it!!!!!

“There was no scientific basis for six feet distancing, I just thought it sounded good.” - Fauci

You bought it hook line and sinker because you’re a chump!!

Please tell me you agree that distance comes into play when transmitting between people? We can disagree on which distance is the right distance, but if you think distance is a non-factor in transmission, then I'm not sure what to say to that.

 

[noStemsnoSTICKS]

You disregarded an entire House Weaponization report as, and I quote: "Right wing propaganda from a partisan group of politicians."

You don't want the truth, you want to believe the propaganda. J6 was leftist propaganda so I assume you believe every word of what they wrote.

I'm sorry. When did we stop talking about Facebook "censoring" you? Do you want to discuss censorship, or the January 6 attack on our capitol?

I'm not citing one-sided reports in my interactions with you. I ask you to do the same, or be called out for the fool you're showing yourself to be.

 

[noStemsnoSTICKS]

What do you think would happen if Meta didn't comply? If you think it's nothing, you are being naive at best.

What happened to them after they outed the government for making such requests, and said they wouldn't comply anymore?

 

[Hawk_82]

It's not a complicated question. Is it illegal censorship to prevent people from yelling 'fire' in a crowded theater.
Yes or no?

I don't see how this applies to anything, but Ill answer it anyway. Anyone can yell fire in a theater, but if this creates an unsafe situation, I would expect that someone could be held responsible for that. I am not a lawyer though, so I bet you could get a better answer elsewhere.

Now its your turn to answer a question. The government obviously has leverage over a corporation like Facebook. Is it legal for the government to use this leverage to get a private company to censor whoever the government wants censored?

 

[Hawk_82]

What happened to them after they outed the government for making such requests, and said they wouldn't comply anymore?

Zuckerberg ended up taking Trumps side of pro freedom of speech. Seems like him and Biden are not on the best of terms at the moment.

FTR, your stupidity is forcing me to defend Zuckerberg. I don't use facebook and I don't even particularly like Zuckerberg. I resent you for making me take a stance supporting Zuckerberg.

 

[Nole Lou]

I agree but I’d like to hear more about why you think it’s “buttering up”? To me it’s also a “uh oh party’s over time to stop screwing around” move.

I think the fact that they've visited him, discussed wanting to work with him, been way more open to him than last time around, I think they are kind of trying to kiss up to him while they basically pull the power they gave his predecessor. I think they are stroking his ego a bit.

Trump is actually garbage on free speech himself personally. I think he'd much rather actually have the ability to get social media platforms to throttle/censor things as he sees fit. I think he'd rather have the power the Biden Harris administration had at Facebook and previously Twitter, rather than see them reverse course. I think given his ego their play is "Wow, thanks to your astounding and great victory, we've seen the error of our ways, and you are right, starting today we will no longer let the government control speech on our platform, thanks to you and your amazing victory for the American people!"

That's just my take on it. As much as I welcome this change, I am cynical that not wanting the Trump admin to leverage the control it gave Biden plays a part.

Which is great! It's the whole point!

 

[Hawk_82]

What happened to them after they outed the government for making such requests, and said they wouldn't comply anymore?

How would things have been different during the Biden administration if social media did not censor what Biden wanted? What about if Musk did not buy Twitter?

Musk is the one who was willing to expose the corruption of the Biden admin. He will be looked as as a hero for this country because he had the balls to restore freedom of speech. FTR; I also don't use X and I don't particularly like Musk.

 

[BelemNole]

I don't see how this applies to anything, but Ill answer it anyway. Anyone can yell fire in a theater, but if this creates an unsafe situation, I would expect that someone could be held responsible for that. I am not a lawyer though, so I bet you could get a better answer elsewhere.

No its your turn to answer a question. The government obviously has leverage over a corporation like Facebook. Is it legal for the government to use this leverage to get a private company to censor whoever the government wants censored?

Of course you don't see how it applies.
What leverage did the US govt use when they requested that social media companies throttled foreign propaganda?

 

[Hawk_82]

Of course you don't see how it applies.
What leverage did the US govt use when they requested that social media companies throttled foreign propaganda?

I see you didn't answer my question.

 

[BelemNole]

I see you didn't answer my question.

I asked for clarification on your question. What 'leverage' was used?

 

[abby97]

I'll never convince anyone on this platform to change their mind.

If you think you have that ability, you're a naive fool.

I don't need to change anyone's mind. I know I'm right so, if anyone else chooses to agree with me or not it's up to them. They can either agree with me and be correct, or chose not to and be wrong, it's a free country.

 

[Hawk_82]

Of course you don't see how it applies.
What leverage did the US govt use when they requested that social media companies throttled foreign propaganda?

This is all spelled out in the House Weaponization report with copies of emails and everything. Give it a read. I would also like to believe that Zuckerberg did not HAVE to censor information, but he did. So did twitter, google, amazon and every other media source. So the government must have been pretty convincing with their pressure.

Facebook continued to face continued pressure from the Biden Administration to censor content questioning vaccines, including true information, satire, memes, and other lawful content that is constitutionally protected and not violative of Facebook’s content moderation policies. In July 2021, tensions hit a fever pitch, with President Biden publicly accusing Facebook of “killing people.”24 Noting that they had “bigger fish to fry” with the Biden Administration, such as issues related to “data flows,” senior Facebook officials decided in
August 2021 to enact new content moderation policies that would censor more anti-vaccine content.25 An internal August 2021 email states plainly that the decision “stemm[ed] from the continued criticism of our approach from the [Biden] administration.

 

[THE_DEVIL]

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[WDSMHAWK]

This country is not smart enough to handle unfettered free speech on the internet.

 

[seminole97]

Imagine not being willing to take 2-3 minutes to read six paragraphs.

Even better that it’s held with a certain contemptuous pride, because they sure as hell aren’t going to try and refute what he said. It’s beneath them.

 

[noStemsnoSTICKS]

I don't need to change anyone's mind. I know I'm right so, if anyone else chooses to agree with me or not it's up to them. They can either agree with me and be correct, or chose not to and be wrong, it's a free country.

Cool story bro.

 

[seminole97]

Half of This country is not smart sharp and focused enough to handle unfettered free speech on the internet.

FTFY

 

[noStemsnoSTICKS]

Zuckerberg ended up taking Trumps side of pro freedom of speech. Seems like him and Biden are not on the best of terms at the moment.

FTR, your stupidity is forcing me to defend Zuckerberg. I don't use facebook and I don't even particularly like Zuckerberg. I resent you for making me take a stance supporting Zuckerberg.

Dude, be your own man and not be so easily persuaded. If you want to defend FB and Zuckerberg, go for it. But don't blame me for making you do it.

 

[Rifler]

What happened to them after they outed the government for making such requests, and said they wouldn't comply anymore?

Nothing,.. But that was only because they were smart enough wait until the Biden administration had lost it's political clout.

 

[noStemsnoSTICKS]

Nothing,.. But that was only because they were smart enough wait until the Biden administration had lost it's political clout.

Nothing is the correct answer. I guess that makes YOU the naive one.

 

[BelemNole]

This is all spelled out in the House Weaponization report with copies of emails and everything. Give it a read. I would also like to believe that Zuckerberg did not HAVE to censor information, but he did. So did twitter, google, amazon and every other media source. So the government must have been pretty convincing with their pressure.

Facebook continued to face continued pressure from the Biden Administration to censor content questioning vaccines, including true information, satire, memes, and other lawful content that is constitutionally protected and not violative of Facebook’s content moderation policies. In July 2021, tensions hit a fever pitch, with President Biden publicly accusing Facebook of “killing people.”24 Noting that they had “bigger fish to fry” with the Biden Administration, such as issues related to “data flows,” senior Facebook officials decided in
August 2021 to enact new content moderation policies that would censor more anti-vaccine content.25 An internal August 2021 email states plainly that the decision “stemm[ed] from the continued criticism of our approach from the [Biden] administration.

So....no leverage was used other than asking?

 

[seminole97]

Can the govt prevent people from yelling 'fire' in a crowded theater?

What if the government yells ‘fire’, and tries to silence anyone who disagrees in order to create a panic?

Bhattacharya also discussed how well-known groups such as the World Health Organization (WHO) instigated widespread fear over the virus.

“The impression that the world got was that 3 or 4 out of 100 people who got the disease were going to die from it. I knew that was not true,” Bhattacharya explained. “We were spreading undue fear about the disease in the population by telling them a very misleading number.”
“The way to judge whether someone is right in science is not by whether they are published in a fancy journal … what matters is whether this result is replicable,” Bhattacharya explained. “Hundreds of other research teams around the world conducted very similar studies, and they found results that were almost identical to ours.”

 

[Hawk_82]

So....no leverage was used other than asking?

It is clear you did not read any of the linked report. You can choose to be ignorant or you can choose to educate yourself. That is your decision.

 

[BelemNole]

It is clear you did not read any of the linked report. You can choose to be ignorant or you can choose to educate yourself. That is your decision.

What was the 'leverage'?

 

[noStemsnoSTICKS]

What was the 'leverage'?

It's not lost on me that in a conversation about the removal of fact checkers from a social media platform, you have a maga member begging you to read a "report" from a republican led committee.

No empirical foresight to be found.

 

[Hawk_82]

It's not lost on me that in a conversation about the removal of fact checkers from a social media platform, you have a maga member begging you to read a "report" from a republican led committee.

No empirical foresight to be found.

Please point me to a time when democrats reported their own corruption. The democrats did this to themselves, don't hate on the republicans who exposed the corruption. Just because you believe the lie, doesn't make it true.

 

[noStemsnoSTICKS]

Please point me to a time when democrats reported their own corruption. The democrats did this to themselves, don't hate on the republicans who exposed the corruption. Just because you believe the lie, doesn't make it true.

Please provide an example of ANY PARTY self reporting corruption. What a ridiculous question. I don't hate republicans. Hell, I actually miss the republican party.

I just think it's very telling that you and maga crave the practice of misinformation so much.

 

[Hawk_82]

Please provide an example of ANY PARTY self reporting corruption. What a ridiculous question. I don't hate republicans. Hell, I actually miss the republican party.

I just think it's very telling that you and maga crave the practice of misinformation so much.

Misinformation is a fun word that Biden abused to strengthen the democratic propaganda machine. Democrats have been proven wrong on so many issues, but you still act like they are the party of truth. You fell for their lies and because you are too ignorant to admit you were wrong, you continue to push the lies. The majority of America recognizes the ways in which the the Biden admin has lied to America. Only those who refuse to educate themselves are still holding on to these lies.

 

[seminole97]

What was the 'leverage'?

Sometimes they forget to be as coy as you:

"We can regulate you out of business if we want to" - Senator Tillis to Zuckerberg​

 

[LBoogie28]

Even better that it’s held with a certain contemptuous pride, because they sure as hell aren’t going to try and refute what he said. It’s beneath them.

Posting this nonsense an entire page after I already let it be known I was ****ing around? Letting everyone know you are slow on multiple levels.