Fant visiting Goofers

[icu81222]

Here's what is the big deal is:

""They don't like it," Fant revealed about the Hawkeye staff's reaction. "They might even decide to start recruiting another tight end. I understand that though. Although I feel like that would show me a lot about where my recruitment and commitment is at with Iowa."

Obviously, this is a red flag and one has to wonder how easily a kid with this thought process would later justify to himself a reason to transfer if things get a bit tough.'

I'm not ready to say KF should dump him but it certainly isn't a great look. I thought he was pretty talented but as we've seen before, no one is irreplaceable. Would like to see him end up being a hawk and succeeding but he will start out on my (not that I matter at all) list of players that need to do a lot to win me over.

I felt that way about Wegher after watching him play in the state tournament and his extremely arrogant body language. I'm just hard to please that way I guess....

 

[jflores]

He's apparently been suspended from his b-ball team because he left the team to take visits to Iowa etc...

On local radio, it was reported Nate Clouse said NU would not be accepting any commitment from Fant anymore, so it would seem its a two man race between Ferentz and Minny.

I guess we'll have to see if Ferentz will pull the guys offer for taking visits, or if he'll be happy enough to be the last homestead for Fant.

 

[sloehawk]

While these young people are making important decisions, it can be frustrating that they commit and then want or need to look at other options. There are probably times that making the change is the best decision for the player and the school. I haven't heard anyone complain that Beyer changed his mind when Iowa swooped in late and offered. If I am not mistaken, Desmond King and Jordan Canzeri were both commits to other schools, changed their minds and became pretty damn good Hawks and representatives for our program. I really doubt any Hawk fans are criticizing them for changing their minds. KF will coach and develop those players who want to be Hawks.

You're talking about entirely different situations, IMO. Not that it matters because I think it's all B.S., but that is the game that is played by all. This is basically who's at the top of the food chain when the dominoes start to fall. Iowa "poached" these guys from smaller "stature" schools and/or FCS schools. Iowa "stole" Bob Sanders from Ball State. Alabama swooped in and took Piersbacher from Iowa. See how that works.

I think it's pretty safe to say Fant potentially going to Minnesota isn't an upgrade over Iowa, in any way, shape, or form. This is a whole different kettle of fish IMO, and if it were me, Mr. Fant's days as an Iowa recruit would now be over, and I suspect that is how it's going to play out.

 

[mikesright]

This is where the parents have to get involved and make sure that sonny boy knows that full scholarships don't grow on trees and neither do opportunities to play at a 12-2 Rose bowl big ten school. Fant's not a big time recruit and his fam should be in his ear about it.

And I don't want to hear any more of this millenial generation crap - kids have been committing/decommitting since college football started in the 1800's. Kid has the full right to look around - this is America. And we can/should move on if we need to.

 

[Hawks_Rock_12]

If Fant came to Iowa the chances of him playing on a 12-2 Rose Bowl team are very slim. If he goes to Minnesota he will still have a Big Ten full scholarship. I am sure the staff doesn't wanna gift wrap a top recruit to Minnesota either.

 

[GunnerHawk]

I have to agree with other posters that it's the timing more than anything. I think he felt if he made other visits earlier, Iowa would have said adios. By taking it late we would have few options so we'd a low the visit. This reminds me too much of the running back from Florida last year.

Very good talent, so would like to kept him but we have had a lot of success with late commits.

Go Hawks!

 

[Herkuleez]

This is where the parents have to get involved and make sure that sonny boy knows that full scholarships don't grow on trees and neither do opportunities to play at a 12-2 Rose bowl big ten school. Fant's not a big time recruit and his fam should be in his ear about it.

And I don't want to hear any more of this millenial generation crap - kids have been committing/decommitting since college football started in the 1800's. Kid has the full right to look around - this is America. And we can/should move on if we need to.

Your reply no doubt is directed at me, so you're gonna hear it.

Your first paragraph I agree with, and it's directly related to how millennial's behave. Most parents have given up on actually raising their kids and teaching them right from wrong. Not sure of your age, but the majority of us over 40-somethins were raised with a lot different values and what it actually meant to give/keep your word.

Millennials, a sizable chunk of them anyway, are narcissistic, tweeting-every-thought, instagramming-every-action, immediate gratification seeking dullards who think the Kardashian's lifestyle is something to emulate. Face it, they are simply spoiled, never-spanked, undisciplined cake-eaters for the most part. Fant is a perfect example of how kids are being raised and to me he is about to learn (justifiably) a valuable life lesson.

 

[Rustys Dad]

Your reply no doubt is directed at me, so you're gonna hear it.

Your first paragraph I agree with, and it's directly related to how millennial's behave. Most parents have given up on actually raising their kids and teaching them right from wrong. Not sure of your age, but the majority of us over 40-somethins were raised with a lot different values and what it actually meant to give/keep your word.

Millennials, a sizable chunk of them anyway, are narcissistic, tweeting-every-thought, instagramming-every-action, immediate gratification seeking dullards who think the Kardashian's lifestyle is something to emulate. Face it, they are simply spoiled, never-spanked, undisciplined cake-eaters for the most part. Fant is a perfect example of how kids are being raised and to me he is about to learn (justifiably) a valuable life lesson.

Being in my mid 40s I tend to agree with a lot of what you just said. I can't fault a kid for considering all of his options, and I know competing programs will keep trying to break the door down and pick a kid off until the kid signs on the dotted line ...

I won't throw all young kids in the same boat, but social media definitely contributes to the knee-jerk reactions, postings, reactions, etc., we now see. Social media has changed our world. I do wish something could be done when it comes to recruiting ... when kids give their verbal but then shop around ... Sort of like telling the "average-looking" girl you will go to prom with her while in the back of your head your hoping "the hot chick comes along so you can go with her." ...

And then we have kids like AJ Epenesa ... Well-grounded kid. No fan fair. Weighed his options and quietly announced he will attend Iowa. There are still good kids out there who don't seek the attention and the fame and who honor their commitment. Recruiting is just an ugly game now ...

 

[iahawkeyes17]

Watch in the end Fant comes to Iowa but the lower ranked recruit Beyer ends up being the better of the 2 TEs from this class.

 

[Drew003]

I wonder whether Iowa has told Fant that since he is soft with them, they are currently soft with him--i.e., they are not guaranteeing his scholarship offer at this point, and his offer is contingent on the two OL going elsewhere.

 

[Vroom_C14]

Why not take the visits, get treated like a king for a day or two on someone else's dime? They will only be recruited once, I'd milk it just to enjoy the whole thing.

 

[ChloeDancer]

Why not take the visits, get treated like a king for a day or two on someone else's dime? They will only be recruited once, I'd milk it just to enjoy the whole thing.

Nothing wrong with that at all. Just don't commit until you are done with visits then. Commit is short for commitment.

But then look at all these coaches shopping around for better jobs and more money. Even Kirk has shopped around so it works both ways.

 

[coe76]

I wonder whether Iowa has told Fant that since he is soft with them, they are currently soft with him--i.e., they are not guaranteeing his scholarship offer at this point, and his offer is contingent on the two OL going elsewhere.

I think you have nailed it. If both Farniok and Jackson say yes, Fant loses his offer. Beyer and Hockenson can fill the TE roles in this class.

 

[starbrown]

This is where the parents have to get involved and make sure that sonny boy knows that full scholarships don't grow on trees and neither do opportunities to play at a 12-2 Rose bowl big ten school. Fant's not a big time recruit and his fam should be in his ear about it.

And I don't want to hear any more of this millenial generation crap - kids have been committing/decommitting since college football started in the 1800's. Kid has the full right to look around - this is America. And we can/should move on if we need to.

Yeah, but being irresponsible and "me" obsessed has been on the upswing since baby-boomers started making babies of their own. You're not being honest with yourself if you say you haven't noticed an uptick in immature parents raising kids who scream at their professor at colleges across America. Fant may or may not be an example of this, but as a general rule our society is in the grip of an inFANTilization movement not seen since a time period coinciding with the Vietnam war (65-75).

 

[grosie#2]

I wonder whether Iowa has told Fant that since he is soft with them, they are currently soft with him--i.e., they are not guaranteeing his scholarship offer at this point, and his offer is contingent on the two OL going elsewhere.

Ferentz and his staff have gone through this before and have been pretty classy in dealing with these situations. Not like Harbaugh who I heard pulled another scholarship offer from a recruit from Florida. Only about 9 days from the signing date.

 

[cidhawkeye]

Who raised these millennials? Probably the over 40 somethings that piss and moan about them.

 

[starbrown]

Who raised these millennials? Probably the over 40 somethings that piss and moan about them.

We get it. From the AARP crowd on down everyone is an entitlement whore. That still doesn't mean millennials are a group that make you optimistic about the future. And btw, GET OFF MY LAWN!!

 

[TFXBoomer]

Biggest decision of the kid's life, I don't blame him for wanting to look around to be sure. However, if the kid wants to look around KF and company should be looking around as well.

 

[Gopher Dano]

I don't think he ends up a Gopher.

Unfortunately, I think he sticks with Iowa. Just a gut feeling...but you never know. It's been a strange recruitment with Fant.

 

[Husker "C"]

Those of you who keep criticizing us fans and defending Fant (other kids) you need to remember, and its really VERY SIMPLE, Iowa under Ferentz has been crystal clear with recruits since ~2008 class.....

DO NOT COMMIT UNLESS YOU ARE 100% SURE. BY ALL MEANS KEEP TAKING YOUR VISITS IF YOU'RE NOT SURE, BUT DO NOT COMMIT TO IOWA SIMPLY AS A "PLACE-HOLDER." IF YOU COMMIT, THEN LATER DECIDE YOU'RE GOING TO STILL TAKE VISITS IN ORDER TO "MAKE SURE", THEN IOWA WILL OPEN UP YOUR SCHOLLY AND LOOK AROUND AS WELL. NO GUARANTEES IT WILL STILL BE THERE FOR YOU IF YOU DECIDE TO COME BACK.

I stated above, this millennial generation wants their cake and eat it too...sorry, this is the real world and the choices you make have consequences.

The hypocrisy in this post is screaming...

 

[Suterman]

Recruiting is very difficult to follow and understand sometimes. My feelings are If you make a commitment, that's it. Recruiting over. Don't commit until you have taken the visits you wish to take and make the best choice after you've seen your options. Nothing wrong with holding out for other offers, but don't commit if you aren't sure. This young man is not sure he wants to be a Hawkeye. He's not sure he doesn't want to be a Hawkeye. He just is not sure. He should not have committed and Iowa should look around and I'm sure they have been.

 

[SPGroth]

We already have hockenson and beyer. 3 TE's in one year seems like a lot unless one switches positions. Would like to see the TE from Dowling a few years back who was supposed to be a stud stay healthy and be productive in the future

It sounds like Beyer has been very open with the coaching staff that he is willing to switch position if the coaching staff feels it will be best for him and the team. The kid is an athlete and could end up playing on either side of the ball.

 

[Kinnick4Ever]

Wow. Some people sure do like to make grandiose judgmental statements based on a high school recruit's uncertainty ... blaming this young man's actions on an entire generation, on entitlement, etc. You'd think the entire fate of western civilization was on trial or something! Let the kid make his choice and quit worrying about it. Let's hope he's a Hawkeye but if it's not what he chooses, so be it.

 

[Herkuleez]

Let the kid make his choice and quit worrying about it. Let's hope he's a Hawkeye but if it's not what he chooses, so be it.

Kid already made his choice a long time ago, now he's going back on it yet expects Iowa to still be committed to him regardles ....that's the problem, wise up.

 

[rivercityjazzman]

Recruiting is very difficult to follow and understand sometimes. My feelings are If you make a commitment, that's it. Recruiting over. Don't commit until you have taken the visits you wish to take and make the best choice after you've seen your options. Nothing wrong with holding out for other offers, but don't commit if you aren't sure. This young man is not sure he wants to be a Hawkeye. He's not sure he doesn't want to be a Hawkeye. He just is not sure. He should not have committed and Iowa should look around and I'm sure they have been.

No kidding.

When my kid went through the recruiting, he treated the process very seriously and responsibly. On his official visit to Iowa, he told KF that he really enjoyed the visit, but needed to go home to think things through. So much so that he said to me "Dad, I need to make my own decision about this", as I was sitting in our Hawkeye-themed basement, wearing my Hawk hat, in black pants and a gold shirt. I have absolutely no idea why he said this to me. My kid even went so far as to call back his recruiting coaches (Iowa State, Purdue, etc) to inform them of his decision. Every coach thanked him for calling them back, and said that recruits rarely extend this courtesy to them. I imagine most find out through the media these days.

 

[HawCory]

No kidding.

When my kid went through the recruiting, he treated the process very seriously and responsibly. On his official visit to Iowa, he told KF that he really enjoyed the visit, but needed to go home to think things through. So much so that he said to me "Dad, I need to make my own decision about this", as I was sitting in our Hawkeye-themed basement, wearing my Hawk hat, in black pants and a gold shirt. I have absolutely no idea why he said this to me. My kid even went so far as to call back his recruiting coaches (Iowa State, Purdue, etc) to inform them of his decision. Every coach thanked him for calling them back, and said that recruits rarely extend this courtesy to them. I imagine most find out through the media these days.

I think it says a lot about your boy, and you, that he handled it in that fashion without having to be prompted.

 

[mazda1]

At this point I don't care if Fant comes or not. We've got the potential to fill his slot with two true OT's which is a position of need. If there is an opening or 2 at signing day I wouldn't be shocked if the coaches find a raw talent or if a 5th year senior graduate wants to be a part of an exciting program.

The kid probably isn't getting world class advice from his parents and/or coaches. He could be a good kid with cold feet who decides on Hawkeyes and earns a job, or he could feel entitled and be a cancer on the team.

None of us know and I'm content to let this play out as it will. If I was in charge and the two tackles want to come I'd say bye bye Noah. That outcome may send a message to future recruits that if you want to be here become part of the team when you commit to the Hawks.

 

[David1979]

There is no problem with the kid visiting other schools.
Just don't say you are committed to Iowa and expect iowa to stay committed to you, which is what he has been doing. He called out several coaching staffs, Iowa, Nebraska, and his Bball coach and HS AD. He wants to keep his spot while pursuing other schools.

 

[FranklinHawk]

Here's what is the big deal is:

""They don't like it," Fant revealed about the Hawkeye staff's reaction. "They might even decide to start recruiting another tight end. I understand that though. Although I feel like that would show me a lot about where my recruitment and commitment is at with Iowa."

That may well be one of the dumbest (or at least most ironic) statements I've ever read. Are we sure he can qualify at Iowa??

 

[WinOneThisCentury]

Well...I'm willing to admit, I never bought into the whole "New Kirk" stuff as I don't think he's really changed that much...but the fact that he didn't pull this kid's offer off the table when he said he needed to go visit Minnesota a week before signing...just goes to show you...it's a New Kirk alright. That being said, I wouldn't be surprised when and if we get Farniok and Jackson, Fant is relegated to getting McDonald's for Tracy Clays.

 

[Husker "C"]

Kid already made his choice a long time ago, now he's going back on it yet expects Iowa to still be committed to him regardles ....that's the problem, wise up.

More hypocrisy.

 

[sloehawk]

Well...I'm willing to admit, I never bought into the whole "New Kirk" stuff as I don't think he's really changed that much...but the fact that he didn't pull this kid's offer off the table when he said he needed to go visit Minnesota a week before signing...just goes to show you...it's a New Kirk alright. That being said, I wouldn't be surprised when and if we get Farniok and Jackson, Fant is relegated to getting McDonald's for Tracy Clays.

Oregon gets it. Sayanora pal.

The past week and a half were a bit of whirlwind for the No. 65 overall receiver in the 2016 class, as ranked by the 247Sports composite. McDoom decommitted from Oregon nine days ago, after only having joined the Ducks’ class Dec. 13.

He had scholarship offers from Alabama, Ohio State, Michigan State and the Wolverines when he chose Oregon but rethought that pledge in mid-January and wanted to visit U-M. According to 247Sports, when he told that to the Oregon coaches, they pulled his offer.

 

[hawkssox1]

Well...I'm willing to admit, I never bought into the whole "New Kirk" stuff as I don't think he's really changed that much...but the fact that he didn't pull this kid's offer off the table when he said he needed to go visit Minnesota a week before signing...just goes to show you...it's a New Kirk alright. That being said, I wouldn't be surprised when and if we get Farniok and Jackson, Fant is relegated to getting McDonald's for Tracy Clays.

Oops.

 

[milehighhawkeye24]

This is where the parents have to get involved and make sure that sonny boy knows that full scholarships don't grow on trees and neither do opportunities to play at a 12-2 Rose bowl big ten school. Fant's not a big time recruit and his fam should be in his ear about it.

And I don't want to hear any more of this millenial generation crap - kids have been committing/decommitting since college football started in the 1800's. Kid has the full right to look around - this is America. And we can/should move on if we need to.

Agreed, look I hate to say it but kids haven't changed. If you don't believe me take a look at this quote:
“The children now love luxury. They have bad manners, contempt for authority; they show disrespect for elders and love chatter in place of exercise.”
This quote is from Aristle in like 350 BC.....it sounds like the same exact thing we complain about, our parents complain about, and their parents before them complained about.

 

[Ladell-hawk]

Why not take the visits, get treated like a king for a day or two on someone else's dime? They will only be recruited once, I'd milk it just to enjoy the whole thing.

I think Fant was honest with the coaches all along. He said he would still take other visits when he committed. I hope we get him.

 

[Freyvet]

Wow. Some people sure do like to make grandiose judgmental statements based on a high school recruit's uncertainty ... blaming this young man's actions on an entire generation, on entitlement, etc. You'd think the entire fate of western civilization was on trial or something! Let the kid make his choice and quit worrying about it. Let's hope he's a Hawkeye but if it's not what he chooses, so be it.

I'm with ya brotha!

 

[David1979]

Well, I guess he decided not to visit them! Now just waiting on Jackson.

 

[eyeohuh]

Fant will be a hawk it seems

 

[Rustys Dad]

To the select fans who were sort of bashing on Fant ... is he now back in your good graces since he will now be a Hawk?

 

[whatsup13579er]

To the select fans who were sort of bashing on Fant ... is he now back in your good graces since he will now be a Hawk?

He is probably the next Tony Moeaki now.