Fast Forward: 10 Years After We Ban Guns...?

[What Would Jesus Do?]

This is just a thought experiment since it's pretty silly to think America cares enough about children and others being shot, but imagine that we bit the bullet (see what I did there?) and banned all guns.

Imagine we figured out a way to do it that worked (whatever that might be) and got it done.

Now it's 10 years later. What would you expect to see?

Would it be a clear success? Would America be a less violent place or would it be ravaged with violent crime now that only criminals have guns? Would wackjob mass killers simply have turned to different weapons to produce the same or greater carnage? Micro drone bombs, maybe?

Would gun "rights" still be a big issue? Instead of always arguing about tougher gun laws would some party (no names please) be staking its election chances on repealing the existing gun laws?

What's your take?

 

[claykenny]

Without firearms to aid in the mass killings, people will probably just go back to explosives.

 

[naturalmwa]

There is another analogous, diverse, cowboy, individualistic, pioneer culture of criminals that tired this. How did it work out in Australia?

 

[What Would Jesus Do?]

There is another analogous, diverse, cowboy, individualistic, pioneer culture of criminals that tired this. How did it work out in Australia?

Yeah, but they aren't tough like we are. They had a couple of shootings and just folded.

 

[Joes Place]

There is another analogous, diverse, cowboy, individualistic, pioneer culture of criminals that tired this. How did it work out in Australia?

Yeah....but you gotta remember they're south of the equator. So, the pundit spin turns counterclockwise, ratherthan clockwise - made it easier for them to enact an actual ban down there vs. up here.

 

[naturalmwa]

Yeah, but they aren't tough like we are. They had a couple of shootings and just folded.

Assies aren't known for being soft. That's where Wolverine is from.

 

[TexMichFan]

This is just a thought experiment since it's pretty silly to think America cares enough about children and others being shot, but imagine that we bit the bullet (see what I did there?) and banned all guns.

Imagine we figured out a way to do it that worked (whatever that might be) and got it done.

Now it's 10 years later. What would you expect to see?

Would it be a clear success? Would America be a less violent place or would it be ravaged with violent crime now that only criminals have guns? Would wackjob mass killers simply have turned to different weapons to produce the same or greater carnage? Micro drone bombs, maybe?

Would gun "rights" still be a big issue? Instead of always arguing about tougher gun laws would some party (no names please) be staking its election chances on repealing the existing gun laws?

What's your take?

It would look pretty much the same.

The people who want to commit gun violence will have guns and the others will have to rely on people who the government allows to carry guns to show up to stop them.

 

[What Would Jesus Do?]

Assies aren't known for being soft. That's where Wolverine is from.

That's just wrong. They don't have wolverines down there. We need to rename him Wombat.

 

[naturalmwa]

That's just wrong. They don't have wolverines down there. We need to rename him Wombat.

A pouch works for me.

 

[LuckyNed]

I guess 10 years later 188 million Americans still have guns legal or not.

 

[What Would Jesus Do?]

It would look pretty much the same.

The people who want to commit gun violence will have guns and the others will have to rely on people who the government allows to carry guns to show up to stop them.

Where will the people who want to commit gun violence get their guns?

 

[TexMichFan]

Where will the people who want to commit gun violence get their guns?

Well since you won't let us build a wall I think Mexico would be a pretty good bet.

I missed the part where you got all the people to give up their guns because we banned them. We have had laws against drugs for a long time and they seem to make it into the country so I figure as soon as you ban them a new market will open up.

 

[LuckyNed]

Where will the people who want to commit gun violence get their guns?

Where do people who use illegal drugs get theirs now?

I know about 188 million gun owners wouldn't turn their guns over to an oppressive government. I have dozen of registered guns and dozens that are not registered at the end of the day nobody will get their hands on 1 of them.

 

[What Would Jesus Do?]

Well since you won't let us build a wall I think Mexico would be a pretty good bet.

A wall to keep out guns? Hmm. I might have to change my mind for that.

Sounds like the basis for a compromise. Ban guns and build a wall - and you sneaky cons also get the wall to keep illegals out.

 

[What Would Jesus Do?]

I missed the part where you got all the people to give up their guns because we banned them. We have had laws against drugs for a long time and they seem to make it into the country so I figure as soon as you ban them a new market will open up.

I think we'd find it easier to stop guns than to stop drugs. You can't grow guns. And you can't just replant gun factories after they are bombed. Nor are guns addictive (for the most part). Or cheap and easy to transport.

Here's the thing, once guns have been illegal for a while, no one will defend gun running or gun ownership as a victimless crime. No one will object to putting merchants of death behind bars for a very long time. How do I know? Look at Europe. The public attitude toward guns in many European nations is pretty negative. Because they chose to move in that direction. If we choose to move in that direction, public opinion will shift here, too.

 

[TexMichFan]

I think we'd find it easier to stop guns than to stop drugs. You can't grow guns. And you can't just replant gun factories after they are bombed. Nor are guns addictive (for the most part). Or cheap and easy to transport.

Here's the thing, once guns have been illegal for a while, no one will defend gun running or gun ownership as a victimless crime. No one will object to putting merchants of death behind bars for a very long time. How do I know? Look at Europe. The public attitude toward guns in many European nations is pretty negative. Because they chose to move in that direction. If we choose to move in that direction, public opinion will shift here, too.

The ones who want guns will get them and to think you can stop that is just plain wrong IMHO. You are making the same arguments as they did for drugs.

 

[Vroom_C14]

This is just a thought experiment since it's pretty silly to think America cares enough about children and others being shot, but imagine that we bit the bullet (see what I did there?) and banned all guns.

Imagine we figured out a way to do it that worked (whatever that might be) and got it done.

Now it's 10 years later. What would you expect to see?

Would it be a clear success? Would America be a less violent place or would it be ravaged with violent crime now that only criminals have guns? Would wackjob mass killers simply have turned to different weapons to produce the same or greater carnage? Micro drone bombs, maybe?

Would gun "rights" still be a big issue? Instead of always arguing about tougher gun laws would some party (no names please) be staking its election chances on repealing the existing gun laws?

What's your take?

You are correct that the potus believes it is okay to keep killing children. They have done zero for those shot every weekend in their cities. Of course they aren't counted since they weren't in school when shot, just sitting in their living room when a bullet takes them out. I know it doesn't fit the agenda but since the left doesn't care enough to stop abortions why would they care about thelse shootings?

 

[*33*]

This is just a thought experiment since it's pretty silly to think America cares enough about children and others being shot, but imagine that we bit the bullet (see what I did there?) and banned all guns.

Imagine we figured out a way to do it that worked (whatever that might be) and got it done.

Now it's 10 years later. What would you expect to see?

Would it be a clear success? Would America be a less violent place or would it be ravaged with violent crime now that only criminals have guns? Would wackjob mass killers simply have turned to different weapons to produce the same or greater carnage? Micro drone bombs, maybe?

Would gun "rights" still be a big issue? Instead of always arguing about tougher gun laws would some party (no names please) be staking its election chances on repealing the existing gun laws?

What's your take?

So under assumption that guns are banned and taken away

As someone else said, I'd imagine mass shootings will continue, I'd also imagine death by accident and suicide from guns would go down drastically.

For your question of where guns would come from, illegal gun dealers but more likely in 10 years 3d printers. Just download a design from the inet and in an hour you have a gun or other weapon capable of "mass" killings.

Worst case scenario red dawn

 

[IMCC965]

There is another analogous, diverse, cowboy, individualistic, pioneer culture of criminals that tired this. How did it work out in Australia?

Not well. Just had a mass shooting in a country with no guns.

 

[IMCC965]

Where will the people who want to commit gun violence get their guns?

I don't know, ask all the people in Chicago where they get their guns.

 

[naturalmwa]

Not well. Just had a mass shooting in a country with no guns.

Give us details. My research says it worked quite well. I know you like graphs, how about a few of those to make your point.

 

[IMCC965]

Give us details. My research says it worked quite well. I know you like graphs, how about a few of those to make your point.

Don't need to. Every place that has banned guns has had gun violence. You will never get rid of people that want to commit violence with guns. Nor will you get rid of people that want to do violence with knives, or bats, or tire irons, or cars……….etc.

 

[naturalmwa]

Don't need to. Every place that has banned guns has had gun violence. You will never get rid of people that want to commit violence with guns. Nor will you get rid of people that want to do violence with knives, or bats, or tire irons, or cars……….etc.

So you admit you aren't able or willing to back your claim? That works for me.

 

[*33*]

Give us details. My research says it worked quite well. I know you like graphs, how about a few of those to make your point.

I don't know about mass shootings, but from all information I've seen would indicate that accidentally shootings are down, maybe suicides, and not really homicides.

 

[Vroom_C14]

Banning guns would be like prohibition, people that want it will find a way (and only the law breakers would have it).

 

[naturalmwa]

Banning guns would be like prohibition, people that want it will find a way (and only the law breakers would have it).

But people like the shooter in this case wouldn't. And criminals already have them. So I think you are arguing for a ban here.

 

[IMCC965]

So you admit you aren't able or willing to back your claim? That works for me.

I'll tell you what. When we have a constitutional convention and get rid of the 2nd Amendment, we can talk then.

I still won't give up my guns, but I'll pretend to listen so you'll think I'm an admirable person.

Deal?

 

[IMCC965]

How about experiment on Chicago? Let's do some legislation there and see what happens to stop the thousands of people that are getting murdered in a highly restrictive no-gun zone?

 

[LuckyNed]

How about experiment on Chicago? Let's do some legislation there and see what happens to stop the thousands of people that are getting murdered in a highly restrictive no-gun zone?

 

[Gimmered]

There is another analogous, diverse, cowboy, individualistic, pioneer culture of criminals that tired this. How did it work out in Australia?

Not really as well as some would like you to believe.

 

[Gimmered]

Where will the people who want to commit gun violence get their guns?

Where do people who use drugs get theirs?

 

[ihhawk]

You would see a drastic drop in mass shootings because the suburban white kids with no criminal history probably wouldn't try to buy them on the black market. You would see a sharp incline in the number of home invasions and street crimes. We would disarm the good people and it wouldn't effect the bad people.

Also, there would be a sharp incline deer populations in the midwest.

 

[LuckyNed]

This is just a thought experiment since it's pretty silly to think America cares enough about children and others being shot, but imagine that we bit the bullet (see what I did there?) and banned all guns.

Imagine we figured out a way to do it that worked (whatever that might be) and got it done.

Now it's 10 years later. What would you expect to see?

Would it be a clear success? Would America be a less violent place or would it be ravaged with violent crime now that only criminals have guns? Would wackjob mass killers simply have turned to different weapons to produce the same or greater carnage? Micro drone bombs, maybe?

Would gun "rights" still be a big issue? Instead of always arguing about tougher gun laws would some party (no names please) be staking its election chances on repealing the existing gun laws?

What's your take?

legally purchased and legally owned firearms have little to do with the gun related homicides in this country but by all means don't let the facts get in the way of your agenda baited posts.

 

[What Would Jesus Do?]

You would see a drastic drop in mass shootings because the suburban white kids with no criminal history probably wouldn't try to buy them on the black market. You would see a sharp incline in the number of home invasions and street crimes. We would disarm the good people and it wouldn't effect the bad people.

Also, there would be a sharp incline deer populations in the midwest.

So . . . if you gave up your guns, what would you have instead for home defense? Would you switch to bow hunting?

I'm assuming that people who have guns for those sorts of things would find legal alternatives that (we hope) would be less problematic.

This is part of the unintended consequences side of the equation which you correctly raised when you suggested there could be more home invasions, and deer.

 

[BubsFinn]

The ban would never last 10 years. When sheep are helpless, wolves attack. The sharp increase in home invasion crimes would force Congress to repeal it. Perhaps, PERHAPS, the type of mass shootings like we saw last week would go down over time, but the drastic increase of one or two victim crimes would make those events seem even less frequent than they already are.
And natural, maybe the shooter in Oregon might not have gotten his hands on guns, but pipe bombs are relatively easy to make. You can buy really sharp knives at Target. Hell, there are plans out there for 3-D printed firearms. Never underestimate the ingenuity of a highly motivated individual. There are lots of ways to cause fatal damage to the human body. Guns just happen to be the easiest.
And since you brought up Australia, the murder rate went up 3.2% during the first year after the ban. Assaults went up over 8%. Armed robberies went up a whopping 44%. Australia had been experiencing a slow decrease in violent crimes for decades, but once the ban went in effect, the number of violent crimes spiked.

 

[What Would Jesus Do?]

And since you brought up Australia, the murder rate went up 3.2% during the first year after the ban. Assaults went up over 8%. Armed robberies went up a whopping 44%. Australia had been experiencing a slow decrease in violent crimes for decades, but once the ban went in effect, the number of violent crimes spiked.

Are any of those increases statistically significant? Armed robberies, presumably, but maybe not the others. If so, how long did the rates stay elevated?

 

[SWIowahawks]

There would be two different countries if an all out ban was sought. There would be a civil war of sorts. America as we know it would not exist.

 

[What Would Jesus Do?]

The ban would never last 10 years. When sheep are helpless, wolves attack. The sharp increase in home invasion crimes would force Congress to repeal it. Perhaps, PERHAPS, the type of mass shootings like we saw last week would go down over time, but the drastic increase of one or two victim crimes would make those events seem even less frequent than they already are.

You seem to have a much more pessimistic view of your apparently crime-and-violence obsessed fellow Americans.

Given that plenty of others would be similarly frightened, that would seem to generate a great market for security services, sellers of less lethal protection devices, martial arts schools, neighborhood watch clubs and more.

Consider it a business opportunity, if that's what it takes to get your juices flowing.

 

[What Would Jesus Do?]

There would be two different countries if an all out ban was sought. There would be a civil war of sorts. America as we know it would not exist.

That's a different question. My thought experiment presumes that the ban DID go into effect.

 

[Vroom_C14]

But people like the shooter in this case wouldn't. And criminals already have them. So I think you are arguing for a ban here.

In no way am I arguing for a ban, that's simply silly of you to insinuate.