Hawkman thinks in red blue paradigm he doesn’t have any nuance. Red good blue bad grunt.
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1. To lower interest rates. Hence why he is going after Powell. This was all about the interest rates which became clear as soon as he paused the tariffs because bond prices were going up.
2. This was all to do reciprocal tariffs. To match the tariffs of those charging tariffs to us. Then he went crazy which caused the markets to drop because these tariffs are not reciprocal, they are punitive.
3. Wants to make Canada the 51st state, so trying to economically punish Canada's economy to try to force them to capitulate.
4. His programmers are dumb, which is why they tariffed islands that have peguins on them, but conveniently left out Russia. He has said we should have better relations with Russia and should normalize trade with them.
I can continue on if you wish.
As usual, you're flailing all over the place.
You are the perfect stooge for Trump. You want him to succeed, so does he. That's the issue - the President should be working to make other people succeed. Trump is about Trump gaining power and money. Period. And you are one of his enablers.
Donald Trump has not advocated for zero tariffs. Instead, his trade policies have centered on imposing tariffs to protect American industries and address trade imbalances.
Trump's Tariff Policies
In April 2025, President Trump introduced the "Liberation Day" tariffs, implementing a "reciprocal tariff" strategy. This approach aimed to match the tariffs that other countries impose on U.S. goods, thereby encouraging them to reduce their own tariffs. Trump stated, "If you want your tariff rate to be zero, then you build your product right here in America," emphasizing that zero tariffs would only apply if production occurred domestically. Wikipedia+1The Guardian+1Additionally, under his Agenda 47 economic plan, Trump proposed universal baseline tariffs on most foreign products, with higher rates for countries engaging in practices like currency manipulation. He also advocated for revoking China's Most Favored Nation trade status and gradually eliminating Chinese imports of essential goods. Wikipedia
These policies reflect a protectionist stance, aiming to bolster domestic manufacturing and reduce reliance on foreign imports, rather than promoting zero tariffs.
Riley that was going to be point 5.
5. He wants to bring back Manufacturing to the US where it is much higher to manufacturer. Just ask Nvidia.
6. Wanted to use tariffs as an offset to push through his tax cuts.
It all kinds of ties together as to what is occurring, it just is not occurring as he thought it would and he is getting a lot more push back than he anticipated.
The Dow is down 7.5% since Trump's Liberation Day. April 1st needs to be your base.
The market had gone down quite a bit before that because he had been talking about liberation day. It should really be the day he took office.
He also said tariffs would pay for daycare and healthcare and education. His reasoning, if you can call it that, has been all over the map.
Agreed. The point here is Trump has not advocated for zero tariffs - that is just another piece of misinformation Hawkman34 is spewing.
Did you even listen to what the Administration said when this came about?
Do you think China would look at tariffs against them a little differently if they felt they were not being singled out? I do. Trump played this as reciprical tariffs on ANYONE who had them on us......which again, you do realise that only countries who had higher tariffs on us got hit.
He also clearly said that if you didn't retaliate, things would work out. He knew China would retaliate and thus the trade pissing match with them. No one else did and we are in talks with them, And, so far the economy has not collapsed. And, I hope it doesn't.
He tariffed penguins. Must of had tariffs on fish I wasn’t aware of.
Yeah, they guy who said he would vote for Clinton if he was running in the one who thinks in red/blue paradigm. Hypocrite much? LOL!!
Hawkman, I gave the reasons that have been publically stated and the reasons that likely instigated this, I think the plan was to crater the economy, have rates go down, pressure Powell and do a ton bonds at lower rates for longer time frames. As to how long the tariffs were supposed to be on they have changed. Their statements several times meaning you have differing opinions. I think some want tariffs to generate tax that offset tax breaks and the industries harmed. Yes I do think China was a primary target as well as trying to bring industry back to the US. We can never get to a situation of balanced trade, so trying to state all these other countries are at fault and need to pay because we have a consumer economy is unachievable and rather stupid. If you are going to try to scalp a few wins while pissing everyone else off, again it seems extremely short sighted. I can’t fully get in trumps head but I will fully say interest rates were a primary goal, which is why they folded so fast on delaying the tariffs.
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Btw, the Dow is down another 500 points today. Approximately 8% since Liberation Day. When will @Hawkman34 admit this is a failed policy.
Hopeful they’re are going to get something done with the EU rather soon. Or at least put it on the path to being done. Give Trump an off ramp to remove tariffs. Claim victory. Although it could have been done without the dramatic shit show. And trillions in lost wealth.
Markets are closed today. That 500 point loss from yesterday, but your point stands.
Says the guy who party just spent the last 8 years trying to put their party's political opposition in jail, and then subverted the Democratic proceess by trying to lie and hide a demented Biden into another term. Then installed a joke of a canidate in Harris without a primary
Sorry, your credibility is shot.
Nice try...
Donald Trump has said in the past that he would be happy with zero reciprocal tariffs
During his presidency, Trump often criticized what he considered unfair trade practices by other countries, particularly targeting trade imbalances and high tariffs on U.S. goods. In July 2018, during a press conference with then-European Commission President Jean-Claude Juncker, Trump said something along the lines of:
And previously, he said in a 2018 G7 meeting:
So yes, he expressed openness to zero tariffs, but in the context of mutual elimination — meaning only if other countries did the same for U.S. goods.
Please just stop....
When we have a crash like you all have claimed we were going to have last week. Again, go back and read my past post. I have ALWAYS said this could fail and if it did, it would be bad for both Trump and Rep.
I agree that he has said interest rates were a top goal for him in order to jump start lending. I am in that industry as a servicer and Biden detroyed that sector. We are finally starting to see some improvements. And, we may not ever be able to get to a fully balanced trade, but we can sure try to improve it.
Gents, It is Good Friday and Easter weekend. I am signing off for some great family time.
I wish you all a very Blessed and Happy Easter.
Are you still going with this is just fear mongering? Or, are you hiding from the obvious results of what happens when a man with a 4th grade level education drives a good economy off a cliff?
Northern is Mr. Party Over Country. It could be his mother who Trump shoots on 5th Avenue and Northern would still support him.
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