How is it possible for Minnesota to be so bad when they have fertile recruiting ground in Minneapolis and Big 10 prestige?
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How is it possible for Minnesota to be so bad when they have fertile recruiting ground in Minneapolis and Big 10 prestige?
A bizarre distribution but if you told me we at the beginning of the year we would be tied for 3rd in the B1G after 12 league games I would have taken it for sure. Great shot at a double bye in the Conference tourney.Crazy graphic of the day
The only road win was Rutgers right. They have played the upper half at home where they usually get more FT's which is a big part of Iowa's success.Crazy graphic of the day
it will be a fun last 8 games, that's for sureA bizarre distribution but if you told me we at the beginning of the year we would be tied for 3rd in the B1G after 12 league games I would have taken it for sure. Great shot at a double bye in the Conference tourney.
Another big Quad 1 game coming up:
* Thur Feb 9 at #4 NET Purdue (6:00 pm CT, ESPN2).
Feb 5 NET Rankings:
Quad 1: Home (1-30), Neutral (1-50), Away (1-75)
IOWA's Quad 1 wins:
at #51 Seton Hall
#12 Iowa State
at #19 Rutgers
#21 Indiana
#19 Rutgers
#28 Maryland
#26 Illinois
Quad 2: Home (31-75), Neutral (51-100), Away (76-135)
IOWA's Quad 2 wins:
#64 Clemson (neutral site)
#57 Northwestern
#74 Michigan
NET
Rank..Previous..Record...Road..Neutral..Home..Quad1...Quad 2...Quad 3...Quad 4
4 3 Purdue Big Ten 22-2 7-1 4-0 11-1 9-2 3-0 5-0 5-0 19 19 Rutgers Big Ten 16-7 2-4 0-1 14-2 4-4 4-2 1-1 7-0 21 22 Indiana Big Ten 16-7 3-5 1-1 12-1 3-6 4-1 3-0 6-0 26 25 Illinois Big Ten 16-7 3-3 2-2 11-2 3-6 4-1 3-0 6-0 28 32 Maryland Big Ten 16-7 2-5 2-1 12-1 3-7 4-0 2-0 7-0 33 34 Iowa Big Ten 15-8 2-4 1-2 12-2 7-5 3-2 0-0 5-1 36 36 Ohio St. Big Ten 11-11 1-6 2-2 8-3 2-8 3-2 0-0 6-1 45 46 Michigan St. Big Ten 14-9 3-5 2-2 9-2 4-7 3-1 3-1 4-0 53 54 Penn St. Big Ten 14-8 1-5 2-1 11-2 2-7 3-1 4-0 5-0 57 57 Northwestern Big Ten 15-7 4-2 1-1 10-4 4-4 2-3 1-0 8-0 69 68 Wisconsin Big Ten 13-8 3-4 3-1 7-3 4-6 3-2 1-0 5-0 74 71 Michigan Big Ten 12-10 2-4 2-3 8-3 2-8 3-1 2-0 5-1 101 99 Nebraska Big Ten 10-13 2-8 1-2 7-3 1-10 2-3 1-0 6-0 237 224 Minnesota Big Ten 7-15 1-6 1-1 5-8 1-10 0-3 1-1 5-1
4 | 4 | Purdue | Big Ten | 22-2 | 7-1 | 4-0 | 11-1 | 9-2 | 3-0 | 5-0 | 5-0 |
19 | 19 | Rutgers | Big Ten | 16-7 | 2-4 | 0-1 | 14-2 | 4-4 | 4-2 | 1-1 | 7-0 |
22 | 22 | Indiana | Big Ten | 16-7 | 3-5 | 1-1 | 12-1 | 3-6 | 3-1 | 4-0 | 6-0 |
25 | 26 | Illinois | Big Ten | 16-7 | 3-3 | 2-2 | 11-2 | 2-6 | 4-1 | 4-0 | 6-0 |
27 | 28 | Maryland | Big Ten | 16-7 | 2-5 | 2-1 | 12-1 | 3-6 | 3-1 | 3-0 | 7-0 |
35 | 33 | Iowa | Big Ten | 15-8 | 2-4 | 1-2 | 12-2 | 7-5 | 3-1 | 0-1 | 5-1 |
42 | 41 | Ohio St. | Big Ten | 11-12 | 1-7 | 2-2 | 8-3 | 2-9 | 3-1 | 0-1 | 6-1 |
45 | 45 | Michigan St. | Big Ten | 14-9 | 3-5 | 2-2 | 9-2 | 3-7 | 4-1 | 3-1 | 4-0 |
52 | 52 | Northwestern | Big Ten | 16-7 | 5-2 | 1-1 | 10-4 | 4-4 | 2-3 | 3-0 | 7-0 |
58 | 58 | Penn St. | Big Ten | 14-9 | 1-6 | 2-1 | 11-2 | 2-6 | 3-3 | 4-0 | 5-0 |
68 | 68 | Michigan | Big Ten | 13-10 | 2-4 | 2-3 | 9-3 | 2-8 | 4-1 | 2-0 | 5-1 |
77 | 77 | Wisconsin | Big Ten | 13-9 | 3-4 | 3-1 | 7-4 | 4-6 | 3-3 | 1-0 | 5-0 |
96 | 96 | Nebraska | Big Ten | 11-13 | 2-8 | 1-2 | 8-3 | 1-10 | 3-3 | 1-0 | 6-0 |
236 | 235 | Minnesota | Big Ten | 7-15 | 1-6 | 1-1 | 5-8 | 1-9 | 0-4 | 1-2 | 5-0 |
Right? after 0-3, hard to believe.A bizarre distribution but if you told me we at the beginning of the year we would be tied for 3rd in the B1G after 12 league games I would have taken it for sure. Great shot at a double bye in the Conference tourney.
Thanks, Fran. I love me some NET rankings.
I hadn't checked to see where NW was recently. I figured they would be in the low 40s. With the way they started conference play, I thought they were headed to the Dance (Collins has 1 other appearance in 2017).
We still have some work to do. Can't lose to OSU or Nebbie again.
A bizarre distribution but if you told me we at the beginning of the year we would be tied for 3rd in the B1G after 12 league games I would have taken it for sure. Great shot at a double bye in the Conference tourney.
4 | 4 | Purdue | Big Ten | 22-2 | 7-1 | 4-0 | 11-1 | 9-2 | 3-0 | 5-0 | 5-0 |
19 | 19 | Rutgers | Big Ten | 16-8 | 2-5 | 0-1 | 14-2 | 4-5 | 4-2 | 1-1 | 7-0 |
20 | 22 | Indiana | Big Ten | 17-7 | 3-5 | 1-1 | 13-1 | 4-6 | 3-1 | 4-0 | 6-0 |
26 | 25 | Illinois | Big Ten | 16-7 | 3-3 | 2-2 | 11-2 | 2-6 | 4-1 | 4-0 | 6-0 |
28 | 27 | Maryland | Big Ten | 16-8 | 2-6 | 2-1 | 12-1 | 3-7 | 3-1 | 3-0 | 7-0 |
34 | 35 | Iowa | Big Ten | 15-8 | 2-4 | 1-2 | 12-2 | 7-5 | 3-1 | 0-1 | 5-1 |
40 | 42 | Ohio St. | Big Ten | 11-12 | 1-7 | 2-2 | 8-3 | 2-9 | 3-1 | 0-1 | 6-1 |
43 | 45 | Michigan St. | Big Ten | 15-9 | 3-5 | 2-2 | 10-2 | 4-7 | 4-1 | 3-1 | 4-0 |
53 | 52 | Northwestern | Big Ten | 16-7 | 5-2 | 1-1 | 10-4 | 4-4 | 2-3 | 3-0 | 7-0 |
58 | 58 | Penn St. | Big Ten | 14-9 | 1-6 | 2-1 | 11-2 | 2-6 | 3-3 | 4-0 | 5-0 |
70 | 68 | Michigan | Big Ten | 13-10 | 2-4 | 2-3 | 9-3 | 2-8 | 4-1 | 2-0 | 5-1 |
77 | 77 | Wisconsin | Big Ten | 13-9 | 3-4 | 3-1 | 7-4 | 4-6 | 3-3 | 1-0 | 5-0 |
95 | 96 | Nebraska | Big Ten | 11-13 | 2-8 | 1-2 | 8-3 | 1-10 | 3-3 | 1-0 | 6-0 |
238 | 236 | Minnesota | Big Ten | 7-15 | 1-6 | 1-1 | 5-8 | 1-9 | 0-4 | 1-2 | 5-0 |
I would need somebody to explain OSU's lofty NET. I don't actually care but it would probably be interesting. I'm clearly missing something...didn't review their schedule.As usual, there is some minor changes in the daily NET rankings.
NET
Rank..Previous..Record...Road..Neutral..Home..Quad1...Quad 2...Quad 3...Quad 4
4 4 Purdue Big Ten 22-2 7-1 4-0 11-1 9-2 3-0 5-0 5-0 19 19 Rutgers Big Ten 16-8 2-5 0-1 14-2 4-5 4-2 1-1 7-0 20 22 Indiana Big Ten 17-7 3-5 1-1 13-1 4-6 3-1 4-0 6-0 26 25 Illinois Big Ten 16-7 3-3 2-2 11-2 2-6 4-1 4-0 6-0 28 27 Maryland Big Ten 16-8 2-6 2-1 12-1 3-7 3-1 3-0 7-0 34 35 Iowa Big Ten 15-8 2-4 1-2 12-2 7-5 3-1 0-1 5-1 40 42 Ohio St. Big Ten 11-12 1-7 2-2 8-3 2-9 3-1 0-1 6-1 43 45 Michigan St. Big Ten 15-9 3-5 2-2 10-2 4-7 4-1 3-1 4-0 53 52 Northwestern Big Ten 16-7 5-2 1-1 10-4 4-4 2-3 3-0 7-0 58 58 Penn St. Big Ten 14-9 1-6 2-1 11-2 2-6 3-3 4-0 5-0 70 68 Michigan Big Ten 13-10 2-4 2-3 9-3 2-8 4-1 2-0 5-1 77 77 Wisconsin Big Ten 13-9 3-4 3-1 7-4 4-6 3-3 1-0 5-0 95 96 Nebraska Big Ten 11-13 2-8 1-2 8-3 1-10 3-3 1-0 6-0 238 236 Minnesota Big Ten 7-15 1-6 1-1 5-8 1-9 0-4 1-2 5-0
I think it's because they beat last place in B12 Texas Tech, who beat the world champion Cyclones, and by transitive property OSU is now world champion.I would need somebody to explain OSU's lofty NET. I don't actually care but it would probably be interesting. I'm clearly missing something...didn't review their schedule.
4 | 4 | Purdue | Big Ten | 22-2 | 7-1 | 4-0 | 11-1 | 9-2 | 3-0 | 5-0 | 5-0 |
20 | 20 | Indiana | Big Ten | 17-7 | 3-5 | 1-1 | 13-1 | 4-6 | 4-1 | 3-0 | 6-0 |
21 | 19 | Rutgers | Big Ten | 16-8 | 2-5 | 0-1 | 14-2 | 4-5 | 4-2 | 1-1 | 7-0 |
26 | 26 | Illinois | Big Ten | 16-7 | 3-3 | 2-2 | 11-2 | 3-6 | 4-1 | 3-0 | 6-0 |
28 | 28 | Maryland | Big Ten | 16-8 | 2-6 | 2-1 | 12-1 | 3-8 | 4-0 | 2-0 | 7-0 |
34 | 34 | Iowa | Big Ten | 15-8 | 2-4 | 1-2 | 12-2 | 7-5 | 3-2 | 0-0 | 5-1 |
41 | 40 | Ohio St. | Big Ten | 11-12 | 1-7 | 2-2 | 8-3 | 2-9 | 3-2 | 0-0 | 6-1 |
42 | 43 | Michigan St. | Big Ten | 15-9 | 3-5 | 2-2 | 10-2 | 5-7 | 3-1 | 3-1 | 4-0 |
52 | 53 | Northwestern | Big Ten | 16-7 | 5-2 | 1-1 | 10-4 | 5-4 | 2-3 | 1-0 | 8-0 |
62 | 58 | Penn St. | Big Ten | 14-10 | 1-6 | 2-1 | 11-3 | 2-6 | 3-4 | 4-0 | 5-0 |
64 | 70 | Michigan | Big Ten | 14-10 | 2-4 | 2-3 | 10-3 | 2-8 | 4-1 | 3-0 | 5-1 |
72 | 77 | Wisconsin | Big Ten | 14-9 | 4-4 | 3-1 | 7-4 | 6-6 | 2-3 | 1-0 | 5-0 |
102 | 95 | Nebraska | Big Ten | 11-14 | 2-9 | 1-2 | 8-3 | 1-11 | 3-3 | 1-0 | 6-0 |
238 | 238 | Minnesota | Big Ten | 7-15 | 1-6 | 1-1 | 5-8 | 1-10 | 0-3 | 1-1 | 5-1 |
4 | 4 | Purdue | Big Ten | 23-2 | 7-1 | 4-0 | 12-1 | 9-2 | 4-0 | 5-0 | 5-0 |
20 | 20 | Indiana | Big Ten | 17-7 | 3-5 | 1-1 | 13-1 | 4-6 | 4-1 | 3-0 | 6-0 |
21 | 21 | Rutgers | Big Ten | 16-8 | 2-5 | 0-1 | 14-2 | 4-5 | 4-2 | 1-1 | 7-0 |
26 | 26 | Illinois | Big Ten | 16-7 | 3-3 | 2-2 | 11-2 | 3-5 | 4-2 | 3-0 | 6-0 |
28 | 28 | Maryland | Big Ten | 16-8 | 2-6 | 2-1 | 12-1 | 3-8 | 4-0 | 2-0 | 7-0 |
35 | 34 | Iowa | Big Ten | 15-9 | 2-5 | 1-2 | 12-2 | 7-6 | 3-2 | 0-0 | 5-1 |
41 | 42 | Michigan St. | Big Ten | 15-9 | 3-5 | 2-2 | 10-2 | 6-7 | 2-1 | 3-1 | 4-0 |
46 | 41 | Ohio St. | Big Ten | 11-13 | 1-7 | 2-2 | 8-4 | 2-9 | 3-3 | 0-0 | 6-1 |
49 | 52 | Northwestern | Big Ten | 17-7 | 6-2 | 1-1 | 10-4 | 6-4 | 2-3 | 1-0 | 8-0 |
62 | 62 | Penn St. | Big Ten | 14-10 | 1-6 | 2-1 | 11-3 | 2-6 | 3-4 | 4-0 | 5-0 |
64 | 64 | Michigan | Big Ten | 14-10 | 2-4 | 2-3 | 10-3 | 2-8 | 4-1 | 3-0 | 5-1 |
72 | 72 | Wisconsin | Big Ten | 14-9 | 4-4 | 3-1 | 7-4 | 5-6 | 3-3 | 1-0 | 5-0 |
103 | 102 | Nebraska | Big Ten | 11-14 | 2-9 | 1-2 | 8-3 | 1-11 | 3-3 | 1-0 | 6-0 |
237 | 238 | Minnesota | Big Ten | 7-15 | 1-6 | 1-1 | 5-8 | 1-10 | 0-3 | 1-1 | 5-1 |
9 | 10 | Kansas | Big 12 | 19-5 | 4-3 | 3-1 | 12-1 | 10-5 | 4-0 | 2-0 | 3-0 |
4 | 4 | Purdue | Big Ten | 23-2 | 7-1 | 4-0 | 12-1 | 9-2 | 4-0 | 5-0 | 5-0 |
10 | 9 | Texas | Big 12 | 19-5 | 4-3 | 2-1 | 13-1 | 8-5 | 2-0 | 3-0 | 6-0 |
13 | 13 | Iowa St. | Big 12 | 16-7 | 2-6 | 2-1 | 12-0 | 7-7 | 2-0 | 1-0 | 6-0 |
11 | 11 | Baylor | Big 12 | 18-6 | 3-3 | 3-1 | 12-2 | 7-6 | 4-0 | 0-0 | 7-0 |
35 | 34 | Iowa | Big Ten | 15-9 | 2-5 | 1-2 | 12-2 | 7-6 | 3-2 | 0-0 | 5-1 |
The quad 4 loss is still killing Iowa.
9 | 10 | Kansas | Big 12 | 19-5 | 4-3 | 3-1 | 12-1 | 10-5 | 4-0 | 2-0 | 3-0 |
4 | 4 | Purdue | Big Ten | 23-2 | 7-1 | 4-0 | 12-1 | 9-2 | 4-0 | 5-0 | 5-0 |
10 | 9 | Texas | Big 12 | 19-5 | 4-3 | 2-1 | 13-1 | 8-5 | 2-0 | 3-0 | 6-0 |
13 | 13 | Iowa St. | Big 12 | 16-7 | 2-6 | 2-1 | 12-0 | 7-7 | 2-0 | 1-0 | 6-0 |
11 | 11 | Baylor | Big 12 | 18-6 | 3-3 | 3-1 | 12-2 | 7-6 | 4-0 | 0-0 | 7-0 |
35 | 34 | Iowa | Big Ten | 15-9 | 2-5 | 1-2 | 12-2 | 7-6 | 3-2 | 0-0 | 5-1 |
The 2 Quad 2 losses have some effect as well.when you look at the SIX teams in the country with 7 Quad 1 wins or more, that Eastern Illinois loss looks like it cost us around 20 spots in the NET.
do you agree?
NET
Rank..Previous..Record...Road..Neutral..Home..Quad1...Quad 2...Quad 3...Quad 4
9 10 Kansas Big 12 19-5 4-3 3-1 12-1 10-5 4-0 2-0 3-0 4 4 Purdue Big Ten 23-2 7-1 4-0 12-1 9-2 4-0 5-0 5-0 10 9 Texas Big 12 19-5 4-3 2-1 13-1 8-5 2-0 3-0 6-0 13 13 Iowa St. Big 12 16-7 2-6 2-1 12-0 7-7 2-0 1-0 6-0 11 11 Baylor Big 12 18-6 3-3 3-1 12-2 7-6 4-0 0-0 7-0 35 34 Iowa Big Ten 15-9 2-5 1-2 12-2 7-6 3-2 0-0 5-1
The NET rankings are still a little goofy to me. I think rankings should be judged by how good your wins are and how bad your losses are. but take this example:The quad 4 loss is still killing Iowa.
Imagine what a second one at Minnesota could do.The quad 4 loss is still killing Iowa.
Imagine what a second one at Minnesota could do.
Yep …15-20 easily.when you look at the SIX teams in the country with 7 Quad 1 wins or more, that Eastern Illinois loss looks like it cost us around 20 spots in the NET.
do you agree?
We lose to them we don’t deserve to dance.Imagine what a second one at Minnesota could do.
Yep …15-20 easily.
The NET rankings are just another efficiency metric at the end of the day. It's just a sorting tool to determine whether a win is good and a loss is bad. We should care very little about our own NET ranking and care more about our opponents NET ranking. Your own NET has very little to do with seeding a team or even getting into the tournament--it's no different than the other efficiency metrics that are on the team sheet: KenPom, BPI and Sagarin.The NET rankings are still a little goofy to me. I think rankings should be judged by how good your wins are and how bad your losses are. but take this example:
Iowa has 7 Q1 wins and 1 Q4 loss.
Utah St. has 0 Q1 wins and 2 Q4 losses.
Yet Utah St. is two spots HIGHER than Iowa!!! I get defensive efficiency is probably hurting, but Iowa plays far superior offensive players on a nightly basis than Utah St.
Make this make sense.
(Edit: and Boise St. only has 2 Q1 wins, and a Q3 loss and Q4 loss yet they are 8 spots higher than Iowa?! Bad losses don't hurt everyone equally it seems).
The NET rankings are still a little goofy to me. I think rankings should be judged by how good your wins are and how bad your losses are. but take this example:
Iowa has 7 Q1 wins and 1 Q4 loss.
Utah St. has 0 Q1 wins and 2 Q4 losses.
Yet Utah St. is two spots HIGHER than Iowa!!! I get defensive efficiency is probably hurting, but Iowa plays far superior offensive players on a nightly basis than Utah St.
Make this make sense.
(Edit: and Boise St. only has 2 Q1 wins, and a Q3 loss and Q4 loss yet they are 8 spots higher than Iowa?! Bad losses don't hurt everyone equally it seems).
4 | 4 | Purdue | Big Ten | 23-3 | 7-2 | 4-0 | 12-1 | 9-3 | 4-0 | 4-0 | 6-0 |
17 | 17 | Indiana | Big Ten | 18-7 | 4-5 | 1-1 | 13-1 | 5-6 | 3-1 | 3-0 | 7-0 |
21 | 21 | Rutgers | Big Ten | 16-9 | 2-6 | 0-1 | 14-2 | 4-6 | 4-2 | 1-1 | 7-0 |
22 | 22 | Illinois | Big Ten | 17-7 | 3-3 | 2-2 | 12-2 | 3-6 | 4-1 | 3-0 | 7-0 |
28 | 28 | Maryland | Big Ten | 17-8 | 2-6 | 2-1 | 13-1 | 3-7 | 3-1 | 3-0 | 8-0 |
32 | 41 | Michigan St. | Big Ten | 16-9 | 4-5 | 2-2 | 10-2 | 6-7 | 3-1 | 3-1 | 4-0 |
39 | 38 | Iowa | Big Ten | 16-9 | 3-5 | 1-2 | 12-2 | 7-6 | 3-1 | 0-1 | 6-1 |
44 | 49 | Northwestern | Big Ten | 18-7 | 6-2 | 1-1 | 11-4 | 6-4 | 2-3 | 2-0 | 8-0 |
54 | 48 | Ohio St. | Big Ten | 11-14 | 1-7 | 2-2 | 8-5 | 2-9 | 3-3 | 0-1 | 6-1 |
67 | 66 | Penn St. | Big Ten | 14-11 | 1-7 | 2-1 | 11-3 | 2-5 | 3-5 | 4-1 | 5-0 |
68 | 67 | Michigan | Big Ten | 14-11 | 2-4 | 2-3 | 10-4 | 2-9 | 4-1 | 2-0 | 6-1 |
80 | 80 | Wisconsin | Big Ten | 14-10 | 4-5 | 3-1 | 7-4 | 5-6 | 3-4 | 1-0 | 5-0 |
100 | 100 | Nebraska | Big Ten | 12-14 | 2-9 | 1-2 | 9-3 | 1-11 | 3-3 | 1-0 | 7-0 |
241 | 239 | Minnesota | Big Ten | 7-16 | 1-6 | 1-1 | 5-9 | 1-9 | 0-5 | 1-1 | 5-1 |
If they would have actually gotten outplayed I might agree but that was a very flukey game that was way closer than it should have been considering the rebounding and turnovers.We lose to them we don’t deserve to dance.
These are tier 2 or 3 teams, definitely not blue bloodsSpeaking of Quad 3 loss Wisconsin (#80 NET), since when were they a blue blood?
These are tier 2 or 3 teams, definitely not blue bloods
We really have a chance in all 6...but here is my guess how it plays out:
4-2 (I think we beat NU, Neb, Wis and OSU and lose to MSU and IU)
I doubt it.20-11 would be a nice record entering the B1G tournament
would that get us a top 4 seed in the BTT?