Finebaum coming up on SportsCenter
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"Yes or no. If Iowa wins out, including the BTCG, are they in the playoff?"
Finebaum: Yes.
/discussion
Finebaum: Yes.
/discussion
Well he did admit that the facts don't support his argument and he did concede that Iowa will be in the playoffs if they win out. He obviously still doesn't believe at all in Iowa, Saying that he thinks they will lose one of the last 3, (which of course is possible) But he did seem to ease up on his hard ass/dumb ass stance somewhat, I think maybe he watched himself later on and realized that he looked like a completely uninformed tool.
Mad respect for Hassel. Laughed when Chris said "yeah you named the two worst teams on Iowa's schedule" haha greatness.
Just win.
Just win.
Hassel is good $h!+. Miss listening to him on the radio and seeing his antics on tv.
Anyone else noticed how he completely dodged the Iowa vs. Baylor resume comparison question?
I think most of us can agree that like most teams in the chance, Iowa has flaws on the resume. But this guy is too stupid to use that as the evidence behind his argument. Instead he pulls out last years bowl game...sigh. If you are going to diss us, at least use logic!
I think most of us can agree that like most teams in the chance, Iowa has flaws on the resume. But this guy is too stupid to use that as the evidence behind his argument. Instead he pulls out last years bowl game...sigh. If you are going to diss us, at least use logic!
I used to like Paul but on Tuesday he downgraded Iowa because Tennessee beat us in the bowl game!!!!! WHAT?!!!!!!! Every team is different. He proved he is no longer in touch. He is no longer working at his craft and it is showing.
We beat Fla, LSU, S Car, & Mizzu (the game before they joined the SEC). That should be way more of a positive for this year's team than the loss to Tenn hurting this year's team.
If you haven't heard it before, go on Youtube and watch Hassell do his Gary Dolphin/Ed Podolak impression. The Penn State one is good. I would post a link but my computer has Youtube blocked and apparently KXNO is also.
He brought it back earlier this week on KXNO and had me rolling. Some will get offended because he is making fun of those guys but he is a Hawk fan and I think it is pretty good.
He brought it back earlier this week on KXNO and had me rolling. Some will get offended because he is making fun of those guys but he is a Hawk fan and I think it is pretty good.
I think analysts like Finebaum have done a poor job of articulating what they think the rankings should be based on.
There are two criteria:
Subjectively, it is hard to argue against those that don't think Iowa is a top 5 or top 10 team. Finebaum talked about his discussion with someone close to Vegas who said that Iowa would be an underdog on a neutral field to every other team in the top 17. You go down the list, and it's hard to argue that we would not be an underdog against teams like Oklahoma, TCU, Florida State, or Mississippi State. Most of these lines would be close (within about 3 points), but I don't disagree that Iowa would likely be an underdog.
Objectively, however, you cannot argue against the fact that Iowa is undefeated and among undefeated P5 teams they have the 2nd most difficult schedule-to-date.
Personally I believe these rankings should rely more heavily on the objective criteria. I think there are good arguments for both sides of this debate. My problem with analysts like Finebaum is that they tout the objective criteria in one breath and then use the subjective criteria in the other.
The fact of the matter is that I don't think anyone has accurate knowledge of how good this Iowa team is. Based on scoring margin, most computer rankings that attempt to identify the "best" teams have us ranked around 15th in the country. The issue I have with these rankings are that this Iowa team is not built to blow teams out. As team centered around defense and ball control, an 8 point win is a bigger margin of victory than someone like Baylor who is centered around offense. We have only 3 victories decided by one score or less (Pitt, Wisconsin, and Indiana). We held the lead against Pitt and Indiana virtually wire-to-wire. Against Wisconsin we gained the lead in the second quarter and held it until the game ended. Admittedly, Wisconsin made a number of mistakes which helped us win despite being out-gained by Wisconsin. At the same time, we also passed up a lot of points in the first quarter when we had the ball in the redzone on numerous occasions. I am still hesitant to accept that Iowa is one of the best 10 teams in the country, but I do feel confident that this team can go toe-to-toe with virtually any team in the country.
There are two criteria:
(1) Objectively, who "deserves" to be ranked the highest
(2) Subjectively, who are the 'best" teams
(2) Subjectively, who are the 'best" teams
Subjectively, it is hard to argue against those that don't think Iowa is a top 5 or top 10 team. Finebaum talked about his discussion with someone close to Vegas who said that Iowa would be an underdog on a neutral field to every other team in the top 17. You go down the list, and it's hard to argue that we would not be an underdog against teams like Oklahoma, TCU, Florida State, or Mississippi State. Most of these lines would be close (within about 3 points), but I don't disagree that Iowa would likely be an underdog.
Objectively, however, you cannot argue against the fact that Iowa is undefeated and among undefeated P5 teams they have the 2nd most difficult schedule-to-date.
Personally I believe these rankings should rely more heavily on the objective criteria. I think there are good arguments for both sides of this debate. My problem with analysts like Finebaum is that they tout the objective criteria in one breath and then use the subjective criteria in the other.
The fact of the matter is that I don't think anyone has accurate knowledge of how good this Iowa team is. Based on scoring margin, most computer rankings that attempt to identify the "best" teams have us ranked around 15th in the country. The issue I have with these rankings are that this Iowa team is not built to blow teams out. As team centered around defense and ball control, an 8 point win is a bigger margin of victory than someone like Baylor who is centered around offense. We have only 3 victories decided by one score or less (Pitt, Wisconsin, and Indiana). We held the lead against Pitt and Indiana virtually wire-to-wire. Against Wisconsin we gained the lead in the second quarter and held it until the game ended. Admittedly, Wisconsin made a number of mistakes which helped us win despite being out-gained by Wisconsin. At the same time, we also passed up a lot of points in the first quarter when we had the ball in the redzone on numerous occasions. I am still hesitant to accept that Iowa is one of the best 10 teams in the country, but I do feel confident that this team can go toe-to-toe with virtually any team in the country.
Iowa is competitive this year...and efficient...and the players and coaches seem to like each other and support each other...plus, if all planning fails on a play...our QB can make something happen...thus...Iowa can beat anyone...I prefer that Iowa hangs back...as an underdog and keeps winning...
I found a a video link of the exchange. Enjoy.
http://whotv.com/2015/11/11/hawkeye-showdown-hassel-vs-finebaum/
http://whotv.com/2015/11/11/hawkeye-showdown-hassel-vs-finebaum/
After watching what he said Tuesday night on the rankings show and the clip from yesterday, I observed a couple of things. First, he killed the committee for ranking Iowa above Baylor. However, it was clear he didn't really understand Iowa's resume when he was crucifying us. Then, between Tuesday and yesterday, he finally did his homework and realized he was wrong. Oh, he still believes Baylor will kill us. But it was clear he now understands that's Iowa's resume to date is light years ahead of Baylor's.
I don't care if pundits hate us. But for God's sake, at least do your damn homework and know the facts. That is your job. I'm looking at you Paul Finebaum. I'm looking at you Rusillo.
I don't care if pundits hate us. But for God's sake, at least do your damn homework and know the facts. That is your job. I'm looking at you Paul Finebaum. I'm looking at you Rusillo.
I agree with what you said but I agree with the committee on this one. Subjectivity should be a minor, if considered at all, criteria. Otherwise, why even play the games?
Because it's not just job to predict the future. It's his job to make you angry so you keep talking about the sport and tune in to see "your guy" take him down.
I'd say he's doing his job pretty well. So is Cowherd.
according to cowherd we need to stop playing LAMAR (didnt baylor play lamar) and start scheduling power 5 teams. Maybe we should start hmae and homes with: pitt, syracuse, arion, ariz st, colorado, miami fl, oregon, and maybe mizzou? ...
... ohhhhhh wait thats what we have been doing for the last 30 yrs I guess I was confused when he kept saying IOWA instead of Baylor
... ohhhhhh wait thats what we have been doing for the last 30 yrs I guess I was confused when he kept saying IOWA instead of Baylor
I agree with you on this. Playoff rankings must be objective, with subjectivity between P5 teams only coming into play when records and SOS are similar. If you don't let objectivity rule, then it diminishes the regular season games, and favors the bluebloods to an even greater extent since they're the only ones that get mulligans.
What I do not understand about Finebaum is that he states that Iowa will lose one of their remaining games. That fine....I get it. But then he is throwing a fit about us being # 5. Earth to Paul.... If you truly believe we are going to lose then Iowa being 5th does not matter. We will drop after your projected loss. Get a grip man.
I think you and I agree on this. I believe the objective criteria should be the predominant prong in the rankings, and therefore I think Iowa should be ranked in the top 4 at this point, ahead of 1-loss Alabama and Notre Dame.
The angry bald man act is growing old. ESPN needs to keep him exclusively on the SEC Network, where everyone can happily circle jerk over their great conference.
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