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Fiorina's $40 Million Firing Bonus

Nov 28, 2010
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I read somewhere that Carly got a $40 million golden parachute for going gracefully. I can't vouch for that number.

How do you think that will play with the voters if/when someone starts hammering on it?

$40 Million for Failing. Good credentials for being president?
 
Not much of an issue coming from Clinton but Sanders could probably make some headway with it.

Bottom line I don't think it would be in the top 5 on issues a voter would base their vote on.
 
Not much of an issue coming from Clinton but Sanders could probably make some headway with it.

Bottom line I don't think it would be in the top 5 on issues a voter would base their vote on.
I sort of agree with this. In order to make this issue stick you have to successfully portray Carly as a plutocrat like Romney. You would have to design your entire narrative of her around he being rich and out of touch. I'm not saying this can't happen, but it would probably take more than just HP to bring her down. Nothing illegal happened and if this is the only real ammo you have against her, it might not be enough.
 
Not much of an issue coming from Clinton but Sanders could probably make some headway with it.

Bottom line I don't think it would be in the top 5 on issues a voter would base their vote on.
I was thinking more in the GOP race (for now).

Trump has gone through bankruptcies. Rubio had a bunch of money problems. Fiorina was fired from the job that's her main (only?) claim to executive experience. Who else?

I don't generally think of the GOP as endorsing failures in these domains. Why wouldn't opponents hammer on what seem to be vulnerabilities?
 
I was thinking more in the GOP race (for now).

Trump has gone through bankruptcies. Rubio had a bunch of money problems. Fiorina was fired from the job that's her main (only?) claim to executive experience. Who else?

I don't generally think of the GOP as endorsing failures in these domains. Why wouldn't opponents hammer on what seem to be vulnerabilities?
On the GOP side I don't think anyone would bring up the parachute but they might try and hit on the HP outcome.

Trump won't go there on the parachute and would probably defend Fiorina if someone did. I really don't see any GOP candidate trying to make it an issue.
 
I wonder how imcc feels about this?
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Why would this be considered an issue?

Would you turn that down?
No. But would you be proud of it? Would you act like you should be admired for it?

If/when Carly becomes a serious contender, I'll be very surprised if they give her a pass on this.

OTOH, Fox is pushing her. And as long as that is the case, they will downplay it. And since Fox is main source for news and talking points for GOP voters, they may be able to spin this away. For the moment.
 
The 2016 Presidential Race will be about leadership. This
eliminates Clinton and elevates Fiorina.
 
Like any other low profile candidate, to date not much effort has probably been given to digging up dirt on her. If she is truly on the upswing... look for that to change. This GOP field seems like the less political involvement you have, the better, for now. This will change before too long.

Fiorina will be under the microscope soon enough. There will be skeletons found in the closet. Just a matter of if she has answers for them.
 
No. But would you be proud of it? Would you act like you should be admired for it?

If/when Carly becomes a serious contender, I'll be very surprised if they give her a pass on this.

OTOH, Fox is pushing her. And as long as that is the case, they will downplay it. And since Fox is main source for news and talking points for GOP voters, they may be able to spin this away. For the moment.
Wouldn't the appropriate thing to do be to compare her record with HP's competitors during the same time period? How did her performance stack up against her rival CEO's? Did everyone forget the tech bubble that popped around this time period? Tech stocks were dropping like they were going over the grand canyon, tech companies were going out of business left and right. You have to compare her record against those CEO's in the industry to determine if she was doing a good job or a terrible job. However, if all the companies in the industry were "failing" was Carly really a failure or a convenient scapegoat?

Hillary will not be able to play the class envy card. You can't charge $500K for speeches to foreign governments and convince people you are one of the little guys. This is especially true when she's chirping away about the high cost of college education, but had no trouble charging $250-$500K to speak at public universities. Hypocrite.

Bernie would have a better case to play the class envy card, however, we all know Bernie doesn't have a snowballs chance in hell of winning the nomination. Even if Hillary stumbles, Biden will get the call to replace her. The DNC is not going to let Bernie win because they know this will lead to a Mondalesque bloodbath for the Dems.
 
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Like any other low profile candidate, to date not much effort has probably been given to digging up dirt on her. If she is truly on the upswing... look for that to change. This GOP field seems like the less political involvement you have, the better, for now. This will change before too long.

Fiorina will be under the microscope soon enough. There will be skeletons found in the closet. Just a matter of if she has answers for them.
She already had been under the microscope. She ran against Babs Boxer.
 
No. But would you be proud of it? Would you act like you should be admired for it?

If/when Carly becomes a serious contender, I'll be very surprised if they give her a pass on this.

OTOH, Fox is pushing her. And as long as that is the case, they will downplay it. And since Fox is main source for news and talking points for GOP voters, they may be able to spin this away. For the moment.

To be fair I have not studied up on HP during her time so I don't know what issues she walked into, what she was trying to do to lead HP, or what internal/BOD issues she ran into.

She may of had a great plan but the internal stakeholders never bought in. Also large companies die and are replaced all the time, maybe it is just HPs time.
 
Shouldn't we be celebrating a woman climbing to that level of success? Isn't what she has done and accomplished more impressive than what Hillary has ever done?

I think so.
 
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Who did a worse job and who had a harder path getting to that position: Hills as SOS or Carly as CEO?

Hills married Bill and stuck by him as he snagged lots of other tail. She also lied a lot.
Carly, as a woman, became CEO of a fortune 500 when that was mostly unheard of.

Do you really think the Hitlery campaign wants to lock horns w her? I don't. Hillary will look weak and insignificant in her accomplishments and she will look weak in debates next to her as Carly is truly a strong woman and Hills is just another career politician who happened to marry a pretty great POTUS.

Like sports sometimes the match-up is more important than the actual record. Hillary w need a strong woman turn out to win the general, she doesn't want to face a more accomplished woman than herself (especially when that woman doesn't appear, so far, to be bat shit crazy...see Palin, see Bachman).
 
Carly bartlem had a good but insignificant career at AT&T. According to her ex husbands divorce filing she began an affair with executive frank fiorina. Soon after her career progressed rapidly.

So we can deduct that she is also probably amazing in the sack and Hills cant even satisfy her man....Hillary just keeps losing to this lady.
 
Who did a worse job and who had a harder path getting to that position: Hills as SOS or Carly as CEO?

Hills married Bill and stuck by him as he snagged lots of other tail. She also lied a lot.
Carly, as a woman, became CEO of a fortune 500 when that was mostly unheard of.

Do you really think the Hitlery campaign wants to lock horns w her? I don't. Hillary will look weak and insignificant in her accomplishments and she will look weak in debates next to her as Carly is truly a strong woman and Hills is just another career politician who happened to marry a pretty great POTUS.

Like sports sometimes the match-up is more important than the actual record. Hillary w need a strong woman turn out to win the general, she doesn't want to face a more accomplished woman than herself (especially when that woman doesn't appear, so far, to be bat shit crazy...see Palin, see Bachman).
Agree. People can paint Carly as a failure for what happened at HP, but as I asked before, how did she stack up compared to what her competitors were doing at that time. She's the first woman to become CEO of a company on the DJIA. Sorry, but that is a major accomplishment in itself. The good ole boys didn't just promote women to CEO unless she had an impressive resume to begin with.

Hillary wants no part of debating Carly. Anyone who has seen Carly in interviews (and she's not doing just the softball interviews) knows she's one smart cookie. She's not Palin, she's not Bachman and that scares the crap out of the Dems. She's smart, tough, very quick on her feet, an excellent communicator, and able to take complex issues and break them down so the public can easily understand them. Add in the fact that Hillary has all kinds of trust issues, is boring, uncharismatic, and Shrillary is in major trouble. There is a reason the Dems are keeping Hillary away from a microphone and cameras as much as possible. The more the public see and hear from her the less they like her.
 
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Carly bartlem had a good but insignificant career at AT&T. According to her ex husbands divorce filing she began an affair with executive frank fiorina. Soon after her career progressed rapidly.


Sound like she found true love? I feel bad for her first husband.
 
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Agree. People can paint Carly as a failure for what happened at HP, but as I asked before, how did she stack up compared to what her competitors were doing at that time. She's the first woman to become CEO of a company on the DJIA. Sorry, but that is a major accomplishment in itself. The good ole boys didn't just promote women to CEO unless she had an impressive resume to begin with.

Hillary wants no part of debating Carly. Anyone who has seen Carly in interviews (and she's not doing just the softball interviews) knows she's one smart cookie. She's not Palin, she's not Bachman and that scares the crap out of the Dems. She's smart, tough, very quick on her feet, an excellent communicator, and able to take complex issues and break them down so the public can easily understand them. Add in the fact that Hillary has all kinds of trust issues, is boring, uncharismatic, and Shrillary is in major trouble. There is a reason the Dems are keeping Hillary away from a microphone and cameras as much as possible. The more the public see and hear from her the less they like her.

politically we don't agree on much (you are WAY too far right for my taste) but this is spot on analysis and both of us seeing the truth for what it really is. Independents and IMO most women would vote for Carly over Hillary once they know more about and see her.
 
Who did a worse job and who had a harder path getting to that position: Hills as SOS or Carly as CEO?

Let's not discount the fact Hillary was an 8 year senator. It wasn't like she went from First lady to SOS, like you imply.
 
Let's not discount the fact Hillary was an 8 year senator. It wasn't like she went from First lady to SOS, like you imply.

Lets be honest with ourselves, Without Bill she is just a back office political pawn.
 
. She's the first woman to become CEO of a company on the DJIA. Sorry, but that is a major accomplishment in itself. The good ole boys didn't just promote women to CEO unless she had an impressive resume to begin with.

Again it is, but it isn't.

Look becoming the first woman CEO of a DJIA company is good, but she wasn't successful as one and we can't discount that point.

I again bring up my Iowa football analogy. If we hire the first woman, head football coach but she wins 10 games in three years. No NFL team is going to be like well we should hire her after all she was the first woman head coach at a BCS program.
 
I can't quite believe that so many people are already predicting not one, but two, women facing off for the Presidency. That is a far off scenario no one would have predicted even two months ago. If that happens... I think people grossly underestimate the Bill factor. He is even more popular today than when he was Prez.

I am guessing the Dems like that matchup and the Tea Party will be on suicide watch.

And to the poster that suggested the dirt on CF has already been excavated... comparing the resources of Boxer to that of the entire DNC is just silly. The Superpacs will be in high gear this election cycle.

This scenario would guarantee a third party Trump run.
 
Again it is, but it isn't.

Look becoming the first woman CEO of a DJIA company is good, but she wasn't successful as one and we can't discount that point.

I again bring up my Iowa football analogy. If we hire the first woman, head football coach but she wins 10 games in three years. No NFL team is going to be like well we should hire her after all she was the first woman head coach at a BCS program.
You don't get hired as the first woman CEO if your resume is meh. It's got to be very good. "She wasn't successful", why, because she got fired? So did Walt Disney, Bloomberg, Mark Cuban, Jk Rowlings, big freakin' deal. Lots of incredibly successful people have been fired before.

Hell, Hillary should be in jail. As uniowa said, Hillary is a nobody without Bill. She never becomes Senator if Bill wasn't president, as it was she had an indestinguished tenure as Senator. Sec of State? Good grief. She was a disaster from Iraq to Benghazi. There's a reason she doesn't want anyone to see her emails and why she had them deleted. Listen to her. She's a babbling idiot. They keep her away from the microphone and interviews for a reason. Remember, "Bill and I were broke"? These are stumbles she made on things she had time to think about. Carly would destroy her in a debate. Watch Hillary in an interview, then watch Carly. It's not even close, Carly is MUCH more impressive. Hell, even a good liberal like Camille Paglia said Hillary has done nothing to warrant being President, except marry a powerful man.
 
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I can't quite believe that so many people are already predicting not one, but two, women facing off for the Presidency. That is a far off scenario no one would have predicted even two months ago. If that happens... I think people grossly underestimate the Bill factor. He is even more popular today than when he was Prez.

I am guessing the Dems like that matchup and the Tea Party will be on suicide watch.

And to the poster that suggested the dirt on CF has already been excavated... comparing the resources of Boxer to that of the entire DNC is just silly. The Superpacs will be in high gear this election cycle.

This scenario would guarantee a third party Trump run.
You are correct about the DNC machine digging up dirt on Fiorina but that would be the case if Pope Francis was the nominee for the GOP. The Dems are going to try to scare people into thinking the GOP candidate likes to beat old people for the fun of it. However, don't forget the Hillary scandals that will be playing out at the same time. It will be drip, drip, drip, because Hillary chose to stonewall any investigation. The public just doesn't trust her.

The GOP would love a Fiorina v Hillary matchup. Watch her debate performance then watch Hillary and tell me who's more formidable. Watch Hillary's interviews (she won't interview with anyone who's not friendly toward her), and then watch Fiorina who has destroyed Matthews and Couric who tried to take her down. Carly isn't afraid to do an interview with anyone, while Hillary is scared to do an interview with anyone.
 
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I was thinking more in the GOP race (for now).

Trump has gone through bankruptcies. Rubio had a bunch of money problems. Fiorina was fired from the job that's her main (only?) claim to executive experience. Who else?

I don't generally think of the GOP as endorsing failures in these domains. Why wouldn't opponents hammer on what seem to be vulnerabilities?
Because throwing stones from a glass house is pointless.
 
I read somewhere that Carly got a $40 million golden parachute for going gracefully. I can't vouch for that number.

How do you think that will play with the voters if/when someone starts hammering on it?

$40 Million for Failing. Good credentials for being president?
Well, if someone is willing to pay her $40 Million to shut up, then that might be a person I want speaking up on my behalf. Or are you suggesting we should hold out for someone who was paid $60 Million to shut up? :).
 
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