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Trump is badly misreading today’s economy

We had Bush and Obama produce huge amounts of cash for the Great Recession. We saw Trump infuse huge amounts into the Ag economy round We had Biden crash the economy and inject massive amounts of money. So much money shifted to the Rich but enough for peasants to be happy.

Sooo we want to blame Trump for the inflation mess.

We have the inflation 4 horsemen of the apocalypse

I think Nathan Hale caused the Revolution
I think your timeline on crashing the economy may be a little off. And policies / tax regimes that move benefits primarily to the wealthy are the purview of only one side of our political spectrum.
 
Wow at least try and make sense. RE is heading in the tank due to artificially low interest rates and cashing out gains

Are you Kamalalalala?
And who do you think lobbied to keep them low, even after we’d worked ourselves out of the real estate crisis? Only Trump, from the last 4 presidents you mentioned, actively attacked, demeaned, and threatened the Feds in order to keep those rates low.
 
And who do you think lobbied to keep them low, even after we’d worked ourselves out of the real estate crisis? Only Trump, from the last 4 presidents you mentioned, actively attacked, demeaned, and threatened the Feds in order to keep those rates low.
You think that was a good idea in the long run? Past a certain point, you have to let the market dictate things.
 
I suppose so and I guess trump left Biden with covid out of control with thousands dying weekly and a truckload of shit. You don't think much before you spew.
Left Biden with COVID "out of control", lol. There's 333M people in the U.S. Thousands dying isn't out of control in a world wide pandemic when your population is 333.

We shouldn't have done shit with COVID. No shut downs, go to school, go to work, no one is getting bail out money except for hospitals. That was Trump's mistake, he gave in on COVID way too much and printed way too much money which has now led to inflation.
 
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And who do you think lobbied to keep them low, even after we’d worked ourselves out of the real estate crisis? Only Trump, from the last 4 presidents you mentioned, actively attacked, demeaned, and threatened the Feds in order to keep those rates low.
That poster is so misinformed it's laughable.
Trump knew the walls were closing in late in his first term.
Covid was simply the last domino to fall.
 
I think your timeline on crashing the economy may be a little off. And policies / tax regimes that move benefits primarily to the wealthy are the purview of only one side of our political spectrum.
I’m not wrong. The shutdown and continuation was both.

Either way our policy of kicking the can down the road is the issue. If you are defending Biden then you aren’t credible. The point is that avoiding issues is what we do.

Dems are just as bad. The old dems maybe excepting the Dixiecrats

The Rs screw you in the open. Dems in the closet.

We won’t fix things until status quo from both sides is changed.

Dems = big pharma forever.
 
You think that was a good idea in the long run? Past a certain point, you have to let the market dictate things.
I probably wasn’t clear. I am almost always opposed to artificial constraints, because they usually don’t solve the issue but rather delay it, causing the underlying issue(s) to grow and fester, resulting in greater pain for everyone.

I opposed TCJA for the same reasons. It may have benefited me personally but the markets had already been on an extended run and we were getting out over our skis. Those tax cuts mainly just amounted to adrenaline shots to keep the party going well past its time. Periodic and smaller bloodlettings are much easier for the economy and the middle class to absorb.

But to be clear, I am not supporting the notion of unfettered capitalism; I wholeheartedly support a regulated capital market system.
 
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And who do you think lobbied to keep them low, even after we’d worked ourselves out of the real estate crisis? Only Trump, from the last 4 presidents you mentioned, actively attacked, demeaned, and threatened the Feds in order to keep those rates low.
You are blinded by your bias.
 
I’m not wrong. The shutdown and continuation was both.

Either way our policy of kicking the can down the road is the issue. If you are defending Biden then you aren’t credible. The point is that avoiding issues is what we do.

Dems are just as bad. The old dems maybe excepting the Dixiecrats

The Rs screw you in the open. Dems in the closet.

We won’t fix things until status quo from both sides is changed.

Dems = big pharma forever.
^^^^^Whataboutism, personified!
 
The United States still has an inflation problem: Prices have risen 3 percent in the past year, according to the latest data. It’s not the kind of hair-on-fire situation that Americans experienced in the summer of 2022 — remember 9 percent inflation? — but it still hurts. Prices for eggs and auto insurance have skyrocketed. Those for gasoline and other groceries are rising, too.


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This was supposed to be the year when inflation would return to the Federal Reserve’s 2 percent target. Instead, it is heading back up and will worsen if President Donald Trump keeps his promise to impose widespread tariffs. He took another step in that direction on Thursday with his proclamation that he will soon unleash reciprocal tariffs on many nations.
What’s going on in the economy now is whack-a-mole inflation — akin to the carnival game in which a mole pops up, the player pounds it down, and then another pops up somewhere else. Ever since the coronavirus pandemic began, Americans have seen crazy price spikes — including for toilet paper, rental cars, used cars, gas, utilities and rent. For much of past year, rising rents were the big item. They are finally showing signs of cooling off, but many other things are suddenly getting pricier. This whack-a-mole inflation heightens Americans’ anxiety about what prices will soar next.


The price of eggs has surged 53 percent over a year ago, and auto insurance has shot up 12 percent. Whenever some particular thing pops, there’s always an explanation. The egg supply has been reduced by avian flu that has forced farmers to kill more than 40 million chickens. A big driver of the hot January inflation turned out to be goods prices rising again after months of trending downward. Meanwhile, the cost of auto insurance is rising in the wake of rapid increases in car prices and repairs, as well as a jump in the number of cars damaged during natural disasters.

Why did Fed reduce interest rates last administration?

Quick, do a Google search before you answer.
 
She did say it as well. But Powell, the fed chair and a Republican, called inflation transitory throughout 2021. Over, and over, and over….
Janet Yellen in a May 14th, 2021 speech coined the phrase "inflation is transitory"....followed by June 14th, 2021 declaration of the same by independently appointed Fed Chair Jerome Powell....repeated over and over in the next 18 months....
 
Blaming Biden for inflation was absurd. Trump promising to fix it was absurd. Now blaming Trump for not fixing it 3 weeks in is absurd, but I guess turnabout is fair play.

What is Trump, or any POTUS supposed to do to fight inflation? An EO to lower prices? Then businesses go broke and unemployment skyrockets. The economy of the US is about as complex as a problem can be. We need adults in the room to make smart, reasonable decisions. We don't have that.

I think one thing is certain - tariffs aren't gonna help.
He has an obligation to not make it worse. See the post above about chaos
 
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Blaming Biden for inflation was absurd. Trump promising to fix it was absurd. Now blaming Trump for not fixing it 3 weeks in is absurd, but I guess turnabout is fair play.

What is Trump, or any POTUS supposed to do to fight inflation? An EO to lower prices? Then businesses go broke and unemployment skyrockets. The economy of the US is about as complex as a problem can be. We need adults in the room to make smart, reasonable decisions. We don't have that.

I think one thing is certain - tariffs aren't gonna help.
I agree, but here’s the thing…Democrats will ATTEMPT things to lower prices on meds, baby formula, gas, etc. REPUBLICANS always vote against lowering prices. Always. Only one party tries to make things cheaper, within their power. The other doesn’t want to. If Americans would actually pay attention to how they vote in Congress they could see who’s fighting for who.
 
Left Biden with COVID "out of control", lol. There's 333M people in the U.S. Thousands dying isn't out of control in a world wide pandemic when your population is 333.

We shouldn't have done shit with COVID. No shut downs, go to school, go to work, no one is getting bail out money except for hospitals. That was Trump's mistake, he gave in on COVID way too much and printed way too much money which has now led to inflation.

That was the problem, trump downplayed covid and 400,000 unnecessary American deaths later.
 
I agree, but here’s the thing…Democrats will ATTEMPT things to lower prices on meds, baby formula, gas, etc. REPUBLICANS always vote against lowering prices. Always. Only one party tries to make things cheaper, within their power. The other doesn’t want to. If Americans would actually pay attention to how they vote in Congress they could see who’s fighting for who.


This quote comes to mind.
The greatest trick the Devil ever pulled was convincing the world he didn’t exist.


Before the snowflakes roll out, not saying all Rs = Devil (even tho some do...), but the messaging by the Rs is so much better than the Ds. Another area the Dems just fail at. Some folks like bumper sticker chants, other folks realize complex topics need lengthy discussions.
 
No economy, be it at a state level, a national level, or global level likes chaos and instability and what he is doing absolutely is going to cause a collapse. The stock markets and housing markets are ripe for a sell off / crash and then the lack of federal dollars that provide a huge stimulus to economy will hit....

To me the big question is this:

Is this self inflicted destabilization and weakening of the economy from absolute stupidity happening because Trump and Musk and their minions are just complete drugged out / dementia impacted mad men? Or is it because they are both majorly KompromZed by Putin and doing this all on purpose to help Russia...

I honestly am starting to think it is the second scenario. We are hurtling to becoming modern Russia, a white supremist Kleptocracy run by Oligarchs
It sure seems like they are all in with Putin. Many of the moves Trump is making are beneficial to Russia and removes the US from what it has stood for in the past 100 years of international relations.
 
It sure seems like they are all in with Putin. Many of the moves Trump is making are beneficial to Russia and removes the US from what it has stood for in the past 100 years of international relations.

Yep. And I made that post before we publicly started backing Russia on peace and cutting Ukraine and NATO out of “negotiations” aka Putin’s terms. To me the actions of Trump, Musk, Vance and our drunk SoD last 3 days indicate that Trump is clearly aligning with Russia to try to save Putin and erase all the loss in world standing from his Ukraine War debacle.
 
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