Flat! Flat! Flat!

[championhawk]

This notion that Iowa's juniors and seniors get burned out under Tom and Terry just doesn't hold up. Metcalf was so burned out he won his 2nd NCAA title. Borschel was so burned out he smoked the competition, made one of the greatest comebacks of all time in the semis, and dominated Mack Lewnes in the finals, who hadn't given up a takedown all year. Burak is so burned out he's about twice the size he was as a freshman and keeps getting stronger and better every year, on course to becoming a 3x AA and a likely high AA this year. Gilman and Clark are so burned out they're going to threaten to win Big Ten and NCAA championships this year.

You could go on and on about guys who have done great later in their careers under the Brands brothers. Furthermore, Iowa haters (and some Iowa fans, sadly) can rip on them all they want, call them monkeys, or whatever, but these guys aren't stupid. If there were compelling evidence that they were over-training their guys, they'd try a different approach. They're in this thing to win championships. They're not going to keep doing things that are working against that goal.

IMO, this over-training baloney is nothing but a smokescreen thrown up by Iowa haters, some Iowa fans who consider themselves knowledgeable but have no clue, and probably rival coaches who want to throw anything negative about Iowa at the wall and see if it sticks.

And yes, some guys haven't developed as we would have hoped, but to blame this solely on burnout due to over-training is ridiculous. There are any number of factors that go into guys not developing as they would have liked. It happens in every program. I think that, these days, we're recruiting a brand of kid who's hungry and chomping at the bit to tear it up on the mat for the Hawks. I like what I see in these youngsters coming up. I think attitude is a major factor in development and the occurrence or avoidance of burnout. Of course, there are no guarantees, and some may not pan out as they hope they will, but I have a good feeling.

You forgot that Tony Ramos was so burned out he wrestled on Sat. night his Jr and Sr years. He also hated the coaches so much that he ran into the stands to get away from them.

 

[Flying_Tiger]

This notion that Iowa's juniors and seniors get burned out under Tom and Terry just doesn't hold up. Metcalf was so burned out he won his 2nd NCAA title. Borschel was so burned out he smoked the competition, made one of the greatest comebacks of all time in the semis, and dominated Mack Lewnes in the finals, who hadn't given up a takedown all year. Burak is so burned out he's about twice the size he was as a freshman and keeps getting stronger and better every year, on course to becoming a 3x AA and a likely high AA this year. Gilman and Clark are so burned out they're going to threaten to win Big Ten and NCAA championships this year.

You could go on and on about guys who have done great later in their careers under the Brands brothers. Furthermore, Iowa haters (and some Iowa fans, sadly) can rip on them all they want, call them monkeys, or whatever, but these guys aren't stupid. If there were compelling evidence that they were over-training their guys, they'd try a different approach. They're in this thing to win championships. They're not going to keep doing things that are working against that goal.

IMO, this over-training baloney is nothing but a smokescreen thrown up by Iowa haters, some Iowa fans who consider themselves knowledgeable but have no clue, and probably rival coaches who want to throw anything negative about Iowa at the wall and see if it sticks.

And yes, some guys haven't developed as we would have hoped, but to blame this solely on burnout due to over-training is ridiculous. There are any number of factors that go into guys not developing as they would have liked. It happens in every program. I think that, these days, we're recruiting a brand of kid who's hungry and chomping at the bit to tear it up on the mat for the Hawks. I like what I see in these youngsters coming up. I think attitude is a major factor in development and the occurrence or avoidance of burnout. Of course, there are no guarantees, and some may not pan out as they hope they will, but I have a good feeling.

Here's 10 guys just off the top of my head, all starters ranked high out of high school, that performed worse in their senior year or had absolutely no improvement over the last couple years.

St. John (worse)
Lofthouse (worse)
Gambrall (worse)
Moore (worse)
McDonough (worse, injured but still competed at a high level, completely burnt out by NCAAs)
Metcalf (worse or no improvement, split with Palmer, lost at BigTens; eked out win at NCAAs)
Ramos (worse or no improvement, eked out win against Graf, less bonus)
Evans (No Improvement)
Telford (No Improvement)
Dwieza (No Improvement)

 

[ad1986]

brutal troll job

 

[Azchief32]

Here's 10 guys just off the top of my head, all starters ranked high out of high school, that performed worse in their senior year or had absolutely no improvement over the last couple years.

St. John (worse)
Lofthouse (worse)
Gambrall (worse)
Moore (worse)
McDonough (worse, injured but still competed at a high level, completely burnt out by NCAAs)
Metcalf (worse or no improvement, split with Palmer, lost at BigTens; eked out win at NCAAs)
Ramos (worse or no improvement, eked out win against Graf, less bonus)
Evans (No Improvement)
Telford (No Improvement)
Dwieza (No Improvement)

Haha...this is funny. Nice spin. Let me try:

Nico-Progressively gets worse after being a two time finalist. Has to redshirt to duck Delgado because coach doesn't have confidence in a championship at this weight.

Zain-Starts career off with a win against a sick Logan Striebler who dominates him in next two matches. Retherford sits a year until Striebler graduates. Can't beat the high school kid (again) in freestyle after a year of superior training in Cael's room

DT-Gets stuck in the finals against PSU castoff, beats a bunch of nobodies the next year, meets his Daddy Dake in his third year. Back to beating nobodies his senior year. Toughest opponent his senior year is Caldwell who aforementioned burnout Nick Moore also beat. Cannot beat any real studs like Burroughs or Dake, so he is relegated to being the old fat bastard at the high school
Parties...went to Midlands in an Olympic year to remember what it's like to win a tourney...almost gets beat by bubble AA guy. Filling out his coaching resume.

Ed Ruth-Goes on impressive run in college. Loses to true freshman at the scuffle his senior year. Is able to barely win his senior year. Makes world team but is promptly ousted the following year by a guy who hadn't touched the mat in years. Is currently "training" in Phoenix.

Hell, I haven't even got to quite a few guys.

Metcalf-Makes multiple world teams after
College

Ramos-Makes two consecutive world teams right out of college

McD-After sitting a year after surgery and burn out (haha, that's a good one), is runner-up team trials up a weight. Goes down a weight and beats the guy (two in a row) who beat him at NCAAs when he was "burned out." Wins bronze at universities.

But then you were just having fun, right?