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Florida people, help me out with restaurant recommendations for Clearwater beach

So here’s my list of saltwater Florida fish that you can catch yourself or get at restaurants and to make it easy I’m breaking it up by flavor and texture profiles. Within each category only an expert can tell them apart without without seeing the fish whole and intact, once cooked you’re not going to know the difference between a gag or a hind grouper or a mutton or a red snapper which are closely related and you’re probably not going to tell the difference between completely unrelated fish like a striped bass, black grouper or snook once they’re cooked. I’ll put an x next to fish you PROBABLY won’t get in restaurants and would likely have to catch yourself and a xxx next to those that are completely illegal for commercial harvest but which taste great when caught recreationally.

Mild White Flesh with Firm “Porky” Texture, less like fish and more like a pork sirloin that’s slightly softer
Swordfish
Cobia
Wahoo
Marlin (White and Blue) xxx
Sailfish xxx
Spearfish xxx
Mako Shark x
Blacktip Shark x

Mild White Fish with Big Meaty Flakes like Cod
Grouper (various species including gag, scamp, rock hind, red hind, “regular” red, coney, black, snowy, marbled, strawberry, etc)
Striped Bass
Black Seabass x
Snook xxx
MahiMahi/Dolphin
Tripletail x

Mild White Fish with medium sized flakes like walleye or speckled perch
Snapper (various species including red, gray/mangrove, vermillion/“Beeliner”, mutton, queen, lane, cubera, yellowtail)
grunts (various species including white, key west, blue striped, French etc…) x
porgies (various species including jolthead, knobbed, littlehead, grass) x
Redfish/red drum
black drum x
lionfish
hogfish/hog snapper
spadefish x
yellow jack x
almaco jack x
croaker x

Mild White Fish with finegrain flakes but mostly firm texture
Flounder (Southern, Summer,
Fluke
Skate/stingray x
pompano
permit x
triggerfish (gray and queen)
monkfish
filefish xxx

Mild White Fish with a mushy texture like tilapia
Seatrout/”Trout” (Various Species including Speckled/Spotted/”Gator”, Sand, Silver, White)
Whiting
ladyfish x

Oily White Fish which need to be immediately fried or baked in person or else commercially only available smoked
Mullet
Kingfish/King Mackerel x
Spanish Mackerel x
Amberjack
Crevalle Jack x

Red fleshed fish best for sushi, ceviche or other raw prep
Bonito x
Blackfin tuna x
Yellowfin Tuna
Bluefin Tuna
Bigeye Tuna x
Nice - thanks!
 
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You ranked redfish below grunts????

The best fish dinner I've ever had was fried redfish that was swimming earlier in the day.

That‘s not a ranking order that’s a general taste and texture order. No one other than a real expert is telling the difference between a cooked yellowfin snapper filet and a key west grunt once they’ve been fried. Any flavor difference is going to be more about how they’ve been handled and which one sat on the boat deck longest than what species it was when they’re within the categories.

As far as what fish I love the most it depends on what is being prepared. For baked and grilled dishes I absolutely love Pompano and its bigger cousin permit, but spadefish and lionfish work great as well. For standard southern fried in flour and corn starch fillets the best are either smaller snapper like yellowtail or beeliners or flounder. For fried fish sandwiches where you want a bigger and meatier chunk fried I prefer wahoo, Cobia or grouper. For English style fish and chips I prefer any shark that’s first been soaked in a half beer half milk solution or grouper. Grunts may Be the very best fish For Japanese tempura batter. For Mississippi style cornmeal batter, our saltwater gafftopsail is as good or better than farmed channel cats or wild flathead cats as the best fish for that prep. For ceviche, sushi, poke and other raw preps nothing beats a Florida bluefin, yellowfin or blackfin tuna than the best sockeye salmon at peak fattiness before their river runs. And for smoked fish I’m actually partial to Spanish and king mackerel over Amberjack, Cobia and mullet. Oh and for fish tacos, if you go traditional Mexican and fried I absolutely love mahimah, but my own created raw tuna tacos on a flour with havarti cheese, cherry tomatoes, mexican crema and tomatillo salsa are tough to beat.
 
I think we saw that all those Frenchy’s Crabby's places are related restaurants, and found that they were all basically interchangeable. Pretty good, but nothing mind blowing.
We go to Crabbys on the Pass near our place on Treasure Island. Nothing spectacular but it's on the water across from Madeira Beach. We've never eaten a meal there but for just sitting by the water and watching dolphins and grabbing drinks and snacking on appetizers it's the superior option compared to the many tourist traps on the Johns Pass side. Don't get me wrong we spend a lot of time in Johns Pass, but there's no need to wait and pay a premium for the generic overpriced restaurants in there.

But ya, those restaurant conglomerates up and down the barrier islands are basically all the same. Crabbys group has a bunch and Caddy's has a bunch.

Still the best of any places up and down Gulf Boulevard we've encountered is Spinners in St Pete. Goes against the casual theme being sought in the original post, but man that place is awesome. Legitimately good and not just a generic tourist place. Be ready to spend though, their menu prices have gotten pretty out of control since our last stop in February.
 
We will be on vacation and dressed like it, so we want to keep it casual. Most interested in restaurants with fresh seafood. Preferably within walking distance of the Hilton Clearwater Beach Resort. Although, isn't there some kind of trolly? We could drive as well, although I would prefer not to. Thoughts?
We have been to Clearwater Beach around 10X. Always eat one meal at Frenchy's Rockaway. Sits right on the beach. Like the atmosphere. We have ate at several different places in area.
 
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That‘s not a ranking order that’s a general taste and texture order. No one other than a real expert is telling the difference between a cooked yellowfin flounder filet and a key west grunt once they’ve been fried. Any flavor difference is going to be more about how they’ve been handled and which one sat on the boat deck longest than what species it was when they’re within the categories.

As far as what fish I love the most it depends on what is being prepared. For baked and grilled dishes I absolutely love Pompano and its bigger cousin permit, but spadefish and lionfish work great as well. For standard southern fried in flour and corn starch fillets the best are either smaller snapper like yellowtail or beeliners or flounder. For fried fish sandwiches where you want a bigger and meatier chunk fried I prefer wahoo, Cobia or grouper. For English style fish and chips I prefer any shark that’s first been soaked in a half beer half milk solution or grouper. Grunts may Be the very best fish For Japanese tempura batter. For Mississippi style cornmeal batter, our saltwater gafftopsail is as good or better than farmed channel cats or wild flathead cats as the best fish for that prep. For ceviche, sushi, poke and other raw preps nothing beats a Florida bluefin, yellowfin or blackfin tuna than the best sockeye salmon at peak fattiness before their river runs. And for smoked fish I’m actually partial to Spanish and king mackerel over Amberjack, Cobia and mullet.

When my boys were adolescents, we went on a "guys only" trip to the Keys and went on a fishing charter. Got skunked except for grunts and a barracuda (my oldest son won the pool for "biggest fish" by catching that stupid thing). No option to cook the grunts at the hotel except for a grill. They were good, but I lost a few filets through the grates. :mad:
 
When my boys were adolescents, we went on a "guys only" trip to the Keys and went on a fishing charter. Got skunked except for grunts and a barracuda (my oldest son won the pool for "biggest fish" by catching that stupid thing). No option to cook the grunts at the hotel except for a grill. They were good, but I lost a few filets through the grates. :mad:

Grunts are great. One of the best fish for Japanese tempura frying (and despite being one of the smallest fish Americans would eat regularly as they’re essentially white and yellow perch sized for our Iowa friends, it’s far bigger than some of the favorite fish used in Japan which are bait sized fish) and great when fried whole as a pan fish or filtered into the best fish fingers around. Grunts and grits is a traditional dish for a reason.
 
So here’s my list of saltwater Florida fish that you can catch yourself or get at restaurants and to make it easy I’m breaking it up by flavor and texture profiles. Within each category only an expert can tell them apart without without seeing the fish whole and intact, once cooked you’re not going to know the difference between a gag or a hind grouper or a mutton or a red snapper which are closely related and you’re probably not going to tell the difference between completely unrelated fish like a striped bass, black grouper or snook once they’re cooked. I’ll put an x next to fish you PROBABLY won’t get in restaurants and would likely have to catch yourself and a xxx next to those that are completely illegal for commercial harvest but which taste great when caught recreationally.

Mild White Flesh with Firm “Porky” Texture, less like fish and more like a pork sirloin that’s slightly softer
Swordfish
Cobia
Wahoo
Marlin (White and Blue) xxx
Sailfish xxx
Spearfish xxx
Mako Shark x
Blacktip Shark x

Mild White Fish with Big Meaty Flakes like Cod
Grouper (various species including gag, scamp, rock hind, red hind, “regular” red, coney, black, snowy, marbled, strawberry, etc)
Striped Bass
Black Seabass x
Snook xxx
MahiMahi/Dolphin
Tripletail x

Mild White Fish with medium sized flakes like walleye or speckled perch
Snapper (various species including red, gray/mangrove, vermillion/“Beeliner”, mutton, queen, lane, cubera, yellowtail)
grunts (various species including white, key west, blue striped, French etc…) x
porgies (various species including jolthead, knobbed, littlehead, grass) x
Redfish/red drum
black drum x
lionfish
hogfish/hog snapper
spadefish x
yellow jack x
almaco jack x
croaker x

Mild White Fish with finegrain flakes but mostly firm texture
Flounder (Southern, Summer,
Fluke
Skate/stingray x
pompano
permit x
triggerfish (gray and queen)
monkfish
filefish xxx

Mild White Fish with a mushy texture like tilapia
Seatrout/”Trout” (Various Species including Speckled/Spotted/”Gator”, Sand, Silver, White)
Whiting
ladyfish xxx

Oily White Fish which need to be immediately fried or baked in person or else commercially only available smoked
Mullet
Kingfish/King Mackerel x
Spanish Mackerel x
Amberjack
Crevalle Jack x

Red fleshed fish best for sushi, ceviche or other raw prep
Bonito x
Blackfin tuna x
Yellowfin Tuna
Bluefin Tuna
Bigeye Tuna x
Skipjack Tuna x
Wow, I am impressed with your list. A lot of good information on it.
 
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When my boys were adolescents, we went on a "guys only" trip to the Keys and went on a fishing charter. Got skunked except for grunts and a barracuda (my oldest son won the pool for "biggest fish" by catching that stupid thing). No option to cook the grunts at the hotel except for a grill. They were good, but I lost a few filets through the grates. :mad:


I've eaten barracuda more than a few times when I was younger. We'd keep the small ones. They're good eating.
 
We will be on vacation and dressed like it, so we want to keep it casual. Most interested in restaurants with fresh seafood. Preferably within walking distance of the Hilton Clearwater Beach Resort. Although, isn't there some kind of trolly? We could drive as well, although I would prefer not to. Thoughts?
some stuff-

1. Free Beach Ride phone number is 727-776-7553. They will take you from CWB down to StPB for a free will donation. This is a legit no BS number that you can (and will) check out when you get to CWB.

2. Frenchy's is garbage.

3. BLACKENED grouper.

4. Fresh fish can be purchased at John's Pass, and can be cooked to your preference at most restaurant's.

5. Our fav place to eat is Rum Fish Grill in StPB. Stop at Beachcomber and hit the sports bar for cheap drinks and tabasco flavored popcorn at happy hour. Also bands on the beach deck from 3 to 9.
 
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Very surprised to see no mention of Island Way Grill.


Also, it doesn’t look like much but I was pleasantly surprised by the pizza from King’s Pizza on Coronado Dr.
 
Very surprised to see no mention of Island Way Grill.


Also, it doesn’t look like much but I was pleasantly surprised by the pizza from King’s Pizza on Coronado Dr.
Is that the one owned by Mike Alscott just across the bridge? If so we really liked it.
 
some stuff-

1. Free Beach Ride phone number is 727-776-7553. They will take you from CWB down to StPB for a free will donation. This is a legit no BS number that you can (and will) check out when you get to CWB.

2. Frenchy's is garbage.

3. BLACKENED grouper.

4. Fresh fish can be purchased at John's Pass, and can be cooked to your preference at most restaurant's.

5. Our fav place to eat is Rum Fish Grill in StPB. Stop at Beachcomber and hit the sports bar for cheap drinks and tabasco flavored popcorn at happy hour. Also bands on the beach deck from 3 to 9.
Love it
 
Some good suggestions here. I’ll add two, not far from CWB. If you head a little bit South to Indian Rocks Beach, Keegan’s is fantastic. It’s a small place, so go early. The Char Broiled Octopus appetizer is amazing. Inland, Rumba in Clearwater is another great place.
 
Sticking to CWB here are a few more. Someone mentioned Badfins which is always solid. 3 Daughters opened a brewery on the third level above Hooters. Great place to sit for a few beers. And finally, don't sleep on Hogan's Hangout. It's a fun vibe with really good drink specials and each time we have grabbed a bite the food exceeded expectations. Now it's not Salt Rock Grill but it was good. It's also a great place to watch sports.

We don't head to Clearwater Beach too often because of how crazy expensive it is to park. Unfortunately SPB has matched it price wise so that's become a PITA as well.
 
It's a tourist trap is all. I'm only half joking that it's the worst, but for a family vacation it'll be a good time. Next time hit me up before you book on the beach as I have tons of recommendations in this area.
1.5 days in and this place is my jam, I have to say. Beautiful beaches. Beaches themselves aren’t too crowded but it is very busy around our hotel on the main drag. Beaches have a nice mix of people of all ages, races, and nationalities - not all old people. Food has been pretty good when I followed my heart, and there is live entertainment in the bar across the street from the hotel. This place is awesome, imho.
 
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some stuff-

1. Free Beach Ride phone number is 727-776-7553. They will take you from CWB down to StPB for a free will donation. This is a legit no BS number that you can (and will) check out when you get to CWB.

2. Frenchy's is garbage.

3. BLACKENED grouper.

4. Fresh fish can be purchased at John's Pass, and can be cooked to your preference at most restaurant's.

5. Our fav place to eat is Rum Fish Grill in StPB. Stop at Beachcomber and hit the sports bar for cheap drinks and tabasco flavored popcorn at happy hour. Also bands on the beach deck from 3 to 9.
I’m going to get booed off the stage, but I’ve had grouper twice now. The first time it was blackened. It was okay. Second time I had it fried. It was also okay. My son had a burger and I snuck a bite and wished I had ordered it both times. Guess I’m a midwestern boy at heart…
 
I’m going to get booed off the stage, but I’ve had grouper twice now. The first time it was blackened. It was okay. Second time I had it fried. It was also okay. My son had a burger and I snuck a bite and wished I had ordered it both times. Guess I’m a midwestern boy at heart…

At what restaurants?
 
I’m going to get booed off the stage, but I’ve had grouper twice now. The first time it was blackened. It was okay. Second time I had it fried. It was also okay. My son had a burger and I snuck a bite and wished I had ordered it both times. Guess I’m a midwestern boy at heart…

There’s a good chance that at the touristy beach restaurants you weren‘t getting real grouper. They substitute in farmed striped bass regularly and get away with it as well as illegal wild caught snook. And I’ve been served cheap shi%*%y tilapia and even basa as “grouper” at those types of restaurants.

I’ve had most kinds of commonly eaten Florida/Caribbean fish and traveled and eaten fresh fish (some of which I’ve caught) from New Zealand, Australia, Maine, California, Vancouver/Seattle, Alaska, Japan, England, Scotland and Wales. And grouper as a whole are better than or equal to the very best wild caught Atlantic cod, Pacific blue cod, orange roughy, and suzuki. So they are tied with the very best meaty white fish out there.

Are they the best fish? Well for me it depends on the prep and What I’m in the mood for because all salmonids are great at more diverse preps everything from smoked to raw sushi meanwhile grouper I wouldn’t do any way other than fried, blackened or in a pan sautéed or broiled fish dish with a butter sauce or some kind. And I even love Louisiana/Mississippi/Arkansas/Tennessee fried cornmeal battered catfish when the mood strikes me.
 
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I’m going to get booed off the stage, but I’ve had grouper twice now. The first time it was blackened. It was okay. Second time I had it fried. It was also okay. My son had a burger and I snuck a bite and wished I had ordered it both times. Guess I’m a midwestern boy at heart…
It’s really good, but I grew up eating what I caught. At restaurants I’m a cheapskate, so sitting on the water eating a $12.95 grouper sandwich with fries and hush puppies and a cold beer is heaven. Eating a small $32 piece of grouper on a plate with rice and asparagus…not so much.
 
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Dave Portnoy visited a bunch of Pinellas County pizzerias yesterday. Toby’s Little Italy and Madison Avenue Pizza are the ones I have seen so far.












 
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We don't go out for pizza much around here but I may have to try some of the places he was at. The pics look pretty good and many are close the Casa de DQ.
 
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We don't go out for pizza much around here but I may have to try some of the places he was at. The pics look pretty good and many are close the Casa de DQ.

Toby’s Little Italy is good, and consistent. I’ve been driving over there around once a week from Tampa. I haven’t had Sardo’s on Ulmerton in a long time but it was always good. I have a few places that have been recommended in the Dunedin Eats FB group including Madison Ave that Portnoy visited yesterday that I have been meaning to try.
 
Santoros near University of Tampa. He also went to Lee’s Grocery which is on the other side of the projects from me. Lee’s Grocery has terrible pizza.

 
So what's your pick as the best pizza in the Tampa area?

I only go to two places and they are both far from Tampa. For NY style, Toby’s Little Italy in St Pete. For Chicago thin crust, Puck’s & Pizza in Dunedin on Alt-19. Puck’s is a one man food truck with limited hours. The owner worked at Lou Malnati’s in Chicago and his pizzas are very good. Toby’s has been around for 50 years and is very good and consistent.

There are probably other places that are good but these two are so reliable that I haven’t tried anywhere else in ages. I will check out anything that Portnoy gives a good score.

The community scores on Portnoy’s app are usually pretty reliable. He says if a place has a hundred reviews and a rating in the high 7s or higher then it’s likely going to be good. They use the ratings from the app when they are pick places for him to visit.

I looked on the app for Wesley Chapel. There isn’t much there. Fresco Pizza in Lutz has 18 reviews a 7.4 rating. I’d give that a try if I lived near there.
 
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Toby’s 7.7

Barstool Pizza Review - Toby's Original Little Italy Pizza (St. Petersburg, FL) presented by Rhoback

 
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Portnoy also visited more than a dozen Tampa Bay pizza spots including:
  • Brooklyn Pizza Company
  • Cristino's Coal Oven Pizza
  • Delosa’s Pizza
  • DiGiorgio’s Pizzeria
  • Forbici
  • Joey Brooklyn’s
  • The Nona Slice House
  • Madison Avenue Pizza
  • Marina’s Pizza & Pasta
  • Lee’s Grocery
  • Pipers Scratch Pizza Shop
  • Sally O'Neal's Pizza Hotline
  • Toby’s Little Italy Pizza
  • The Violet Stone
  • Santoro’s
 
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