Florida Steaming Right Along

[DFSNOLE]

In both new cases daily (800-1000/day) and the lessening of restrictions. When DeSantis announced Phase 1 of the reopening on May 4, he said the next steps would depend on certain testing numbers being achieved. Those weren't reached but that didn't matter. He continued to expand openings. Today, two weeks later, when there's no way that the effects of the opening can be known, he expanded it again. As of today, restaurants and retail can be open to 50% capacity. He might as well just laid out a timetable from the beginning since there is zero scientific or medical consideration going into these decisions. I eagerly await his Hawkeye white knights coming here to defend him.

 

[SWIowahawks]

Do people ever get tired of being outraged every minute of their lives?

 

[royhobbs2]

There is no scientific or medical evidence to continue the shutdown. Desantis is right here. See the testimony to the US senate last week by Stanford epidemiologists-no medical reason to continue the lockdown. (Dr Atlas)

Meanwhile crazy Kate Brown the Oregon Governor sent CPS to a nail salon owners home because she reopened her business.

Not many blue state govs will be reelected.

 

[FAUlty Gator]

there is zero scientific or medical consideration going into this decision
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That’s because it’s an economic decision. There’s plenty of data to suggest SIP has destroyed the economy.

It’s called “opportunity cost”. Guns or butter.

 

[hawkboy76]

There will continue to be more cases, particularly as we test higher numbers of people. So long as our medical facilities are in good shape, there is no reason not to open up (with certain precautions).

 

[seminole97]

When DeSantis announced Phase 1 of the reopening on May 4, he said the next steps would depend on certain testing numbers being achieved. Those weren't reached but that didn't matter. He continued to expand openings. Today, two weeks later, when there's no way that the effects of the opening can be known, he expanded it again. As of today, restaurants and retail can be open to 50% capacity. He might as well just laid out a timetable from the beginning since there is zero scientific or medical consideration going into these decisions.

 

[DFSNOLE]

There is no scientific or medical evidence to continue the shutdown. Desantis is right here. See the testimony to the US senate last week by Stanford epidemiologists-no medical reason to continue the lockdown. (Dr Atlas)

Meanwhile crazy Kate Brown the Oregon Governor sent CPS to a nail salon owners home because she reopened her business.

Not many blue state govs will be reelected.

Good Lord. You have put all of your marbles in the one Stanford doctor basket. It is your only answer to everything because it fits your political narrative.

 

[Greenway4Prez]

Do people ever get tired of being outraged every minute of their lives?

I’ve been on HROT for way too much of my life, and I can’t get over how much time certain posters spend posting the same shit over and over and over. It’s just so much energy wasted, and yet they’ll be here until Trump’s out of office (because let’s be honest, 90%+ of them are our liberal buddies) getting pissed off over and over and over about stuff that they can’t change.

 

[MepoDawg#]

There is no scientific or medical evidence to continue the shutdown. Desantis is right here. See the testimony to the US senate last week by Stanford epidemiologists-no medical reason to continue the lockdown. (Dr Atlas)

Meanwhile crazy Kate Brown the Oregon Governor sent CPS to a nail salon owners home because she reopened her business.

Not many blue state govs will be reelected.

Why did others not want their name on the Stanford study if its so good? Why didn’t they disclose who was funding it?

 

[royhobbs2]

Good Lord. You have put all of your marbles in the one Stanford doctor basket. It is your only answer to everything because it fits your political narrative.

no its been said by multiple experts and there is clear data out there now.

Im sure the Stanford experts and Dr Atlas are just making crap up when they testify to the US senate

 

[royhobbs2]

Why did others not want their name on the Stanford study if its so good? Why didn’t they disclose who was funding it?

you sound really politically invested in a continued lockdown. Give it a rest.

 

[MepoDawg#]

you sound really politically invested in a continued lockdown. Give it a rest.

Based on one comment? Actually I think we should go back to normal and we the people should do what’s best for each other. But continue on making assumptions about me.

 

[goldmom]

In both new cases daily (800-1000/day) and the lessening of restrictions. When DeSantis announced Phase 1 of the reopening on May 4, he said the next steps would depend on certain testing numbers being achieved. Those weren't reached but that didn't matter. He continued to expand openings. Today, two weeks later, when there's no way that the effects of the opening can be known, he expanded it again. As of today, restaurants and retail can be open to 50% capacity. He might as well just laid out a timetable from the beginning since there is zero scientific or medical consideration going into these decisions. I eagerly await his Hawkeye white knights coming here to defend him.

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So, are leaving your house or continuing to SIP?

 

[The Tradition]

Florida's case curve is the definition of "flat".

Florida death curve is declining bigly.

Suck it, haters.

 

[seminole97]

Good Lord. You have put all of your marbles in the one Stanford doctor basket. It is your only answer to everything because it fits your political narrative.

DFSNOLE, what is your narrative on Florida's ICU and overall hospital vacancy rates?
I've been providing this data in every thread Florida's response comes up, but you never seem to have observations to offer on it.
How should we respond given the declining Flu and COVID symptom related emergency room visits?

 

[FSUTribe76]

DFSNOLE, what is your narrative on Florida's ICU and overall hospital vacancy rates?
I've been providing this data in every thread Florida's response comes up, but you never seem to have observations to offer on it.
How should we respond given the declining Flu and COVID symptom related emergency room visits?

Maybe because Desantis keeps ordering people to falsify numbers. First it was the Medical Examiners ordered to manipulate low numbers and now it’s the Florida website.

https://cbs12.com/news/local/woman-...-dashboard-has-been-removed-from-her-position

And how many other agency heads just went along with him to lie to the public? I definitively know the Tallahassee death numbers are false.

 

[The Tradition]

Maybe because Desantis keeps ordering people to falsify numbers. First it was the Medical Examiners ordered to manipulate low numbers and now it’s the Florida website.

https://cbs12.com/news/local/woman-...-dashboard-has-been-removed-from-her-position

And how many other agency heads just went along with him to lie to the public? I definitively know the Tallahassee death numbers are false.

 

[royhobbs2]

Maybe because Desantis keeps ordering people to falsify numbers. First it was the Medical Examiners ordered to manipulate low numbers and now it’s the Florida website.

https://cbs12.com/news/local/woman-...-dashboard-has-been-removed-from-her-position

And how many other agency heads just went along with him to lie to the public? I definitively know the Tallahassee death numbers are false.

conspiracy theory

 

[The Tradition]

Texas is even more crazy.

More populated than Florida.

More cases than Florida.

But about half the deaths per million of Florida....

I wonder if Texas is not counting illegal immigrant deaths?

 

[FSUTribe76]

conspiracy theory

Is it a conspiracy theory if you personally know more people who have died of covid than the official numbers for the city?

 

[Run&Blade]

Are the hospitals packed ?

If not they are doing a good job.

 

[DFSNOLE]

So, are leaving your house or continuing to SIP?

No. Please, you or Roy or any of the rest show me where I said we should still be in SIP.

DeSantis hasn't followed the guidelines that came out of the White House or even those he put forth in his original announcement. Everyone wants to open but it seems as though only some want to do it in a responsible manner that's driven by science and medicine.

 

[DFSNOLE]

Texas is even more crazy.

More populated than Florida.

More cases than Florida.

But about half the deaths per million of Florida....

I wonder if Texas is not counting illegal immigrant deaths?

Texas also has the fewest number of tests per million than any of the other large states. Fewer tests = fewer positive results = fewer accountable deaths.

 

[DFSNOLE]

 

[mcgrawfsu]

Which parts of his opening do you have problems with? Restaurants being at 50% capacity?

 

[DFSNOLE]

Which parts of his opening do you have problems with? Restaurants being at 50% capacity?

Letting the calendar instead of the data control the rate of opening. If the incubation period is two weeks, then there is none, positive or negative, on which to rely.
As I see it, it will be harder to roll back the expansion of openings if a spike occurs than it would've been to wait for a few weeks to have quantifiable test results.

 

[Finance85]

Maybe because Desantis keeps ordering people to falsify numbers. First it was the Medical Examiners ordered to manipulate low numbers and now it’s the Florida website.

https://cbs12.com/news/local/woman-...-dashboard-has-been-removed-from-her-position

And how many other agency heads just went along with him to lie to the public? I definitively know the Tallahassee death numbers are false.

You realize that numbers are reported based on residence; not where people work, right?

You realize that DeSantis didn't order anyone to falsify numbers, but changed methods to ensure consistency, right?

 

[hawkland14]

You realize that numbers are reported based on residence; not where people work, right?

You realize that DeSantis didn't order anyone to falsify numbers, but changed methods to ensure consistency, right?

He gets it but they have to keep a narrative going. They have dug in so hard that there is no turning back for them, even with the data not supporting their theories. It’s tribalism at its best.

 

[OrlandNole]

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Hi analogy is a little off. In the case, the President is the poop. In every case, the President is the poop.

 

[OrlandNole]

Has anyone seen this?

Woman who designed Florida's COVID-19 dashboard has been removed from her position

Think there's anything to it?

 

[Titanhawk2]

What happened the surge of sick and dying because the spring break beaches remained open?

 

[DFSNOLE]

What happened the surge of sick and dying because the spring break beaches remained open?

Many of them went home and became sick there.

 

[mcgrawfsu]

Letting the calendar instead of the data control the rate of opening. If the incubation period is two weeks, then there is none, positive or negative, on which to rely.
As I see it, it will be harder to roll back the expansion of openings if a spike occurs than it would've been to wait for a few weeks to have quantifiable test results.

So we should hold off because there might be a spike? There is going to be a spike in cases. Hospitalization and death rates have been declining.

The incubation period can be up to two weeks. It can also be a matter of hours or a couple days. The curve is flat, we have the hospital situation under control, time to keep moving forward.

 

[mcgrawfsu]

Many of them went home and became sick there.

Do you have any scientific data to back that up?

 

[WestIAHawk]

Do people ever get tired of being outraged every minute of their lives?

No

 

[Finance85]

Many of them went home and became sick there.

This is true.

 

[Finance85]

Has anyone seen this?

Woman who designed Florida's COVID-19 dashboard has been removed from her position

Think there's anything to it?

I'm skeptical. Though I have no reason to doubt the woman, Florida is a state where nothing stays hidden for long, because of the open records laws, and because there are newspapers that lean both ways, and those newspapers won't rest until they get a story. Since DeSantis is GOP, I imagine the Tampa Bay Times is camped out in Tallahassee trying to get to the bottom of this.

The woman could be right.

It could also be a case of the computer crashed, the numbers needed to be updated manually to get them current, and she was blamed for the crash in the first place.

 

[ChrisVarick]

you sound really politically invested in a continued lockdown. Give it a rest.

Another question for you Roy is why one of the first names on the Stanford study did an op ed in the Wall St Journal touting the Stanford study without divulging that he was part of the study?

 

[DFSNOLE]

So we should hold off because there might be a spike? There is going to be a spike in cases. Hospitalization and death rates have been declining.

The incubation period can be up to two weeks. It can also be a matter of hours or a couple days. The curve is flat, we have the hospital situation under control, time to keep moving forward.

No. You hold off until you have the data to justify your decision. It really is that simple. There is no way that I believe that there is enough from the first phase of the opening on May 4th to make a well informed decision.

 

[noleclone2]

I have been on work related calls with folks ad FDEP, DMS, and FDOT today and yesterday and all the state workers were still working from their house ..seemed kind of a disconcerting mixed message.

But wait, there's more! From the already posted article above

https://www.tallahassee.com/story/n...moved-florida-moves-re-open-state/5212398002/


The dashboard has been a one-stop shop for researchers, the media and the public to access and download tables of COVID-19 cases, testing and death data to analyze freely. It had been widely hailed as a shining example of transparency and accessibility.

But over the last few weeks it had "crashed" and gone offline; data has gone missing without explanation and access to the underlying data sheets has become increasingly difficult.

The site was created by a team of Florida Department of Health data scientists and public health officers headed by Rebekah Jones. She announced last week her removal as of May 5 in a heartfelt farewell note emailed to researchers and other members of the public who had signed up to receive updates on the data portal.

Citing "reasons beyond my division’s control," Jones said her office is no longer managing the dashboard, is no longer involved in publication, fixing errors or answering questions "in any shape or form."

She warned that she does not know what the new team's intentions are for data access, including "what data they are now restricting."

What a joke...

Georgia has been doing the same thing making errors to mislead the public. And don't even get me started on Texas with almost 50K cases and 1300 reported deaths.....