I guess that would require better parenting. Do ya think it's gotten better under Obama?
For those that think Obama is the worst President in History: What is your objective criteria?
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I guess that would require better parenting. Do ya think it's gotten better under Obama?
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When the message is laughably incoherent, false and plain crazy, there is no point in addressing its nonsensical content.
I guess that would require better parenting. Do ya think it's gotten better under Obama?
You are right, inner city parenting was a shining star for all of us until late 2008.
Great so you should be able to show your math. I just ran the numbers, if you really fudge the data you can get up to 15% but that takes some double counting. Congrats on your cfa, I have one too and an mba.
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Ad-hominem, that's all the left has. Well that and a society dumbed down and indoctrinated by public schools. It's really impressive Republicans win anything considering the success of the left in damaging the country they dislike so much.
Your right. Be proud. You and JR are twins who think Obama really is a messiah. Remember to vote for Hillary, she'll make sure the checks don't stop for you fellas.
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Nope. I think he's an above-average domestic policy president and an abject failure at foreign policy. He's firmly in the "lesser of two evils" category for me.
And while I have grave concerns about the direction of American politics in this century, I do not inhabit the fantasy world that people like you and those of your ilk do.
There is not one piece of objective data in that list. Not one.
Finally, I have plenty of issues with BO. Im not a huge fan of parts of the ACA. To me it was a waste of political capital for little return. Im pissed he hasn't led in getting a long term highway plan in place. However, people like HR blame him for everything but the weather and make up a narrative to fit their view without any facts. Enough already. People forget where we were at the end of 2008,
And we have a winner.
If you think that the identity of the person sitting in the Oval Office has an actual, direct impact on your daily life as an American, you are a GIGANTIC retard.
For starters he is a liar.
Everything the imbecile tries fails.
He promotes racial divide like no other before him.
Everything the imbecile tries fails.
He promotes racial divide like no other before him.
Please try to act like a grown-up, will you? I'm giving you the benefit of the doubt.
First, the whole point of the thread is opinion. There is no objective way to say somebody is the best president or the worst president or the 15th from the best president. So the idea that one must "prove" it with objective data is ludicrous.
Second, the fact that more people are out of work in this country than at any time in the past 35-40 years IS objective data. It's been discussed on these boards in the past. You also can look at the polls for what passes as an objective view of race relations.
I get it. You think he's a great president, only just not liberal enough. I'm sure you have all kinds of "objective data" to "prove" your position.
Good grief.
I would think at your age the only pressing concern would be the costs of buriel plots and headstones.
Here's my answer........he's an arrogant, psycopathic, egotistical, demonizing, disrespecting liar.
Every source I can find says that the number of unemployed peaked in 2009 and has declined since. I would like to see an objective source that says there are more unemployed today than there were in 2009.
They stopped counting them, true unemployment is between 15 and 19%.
I bet it wouldn't be hard to find links indicating family incomes are down from pre-recession levels, more people have part time jobs and for everyone who now has healthcare there is someone else with lowered coverage.
Two things. First, I didn't say anything about the unemployment rate, which just about everybody concedes is misleading as hell. Second, I may have stated my point incorrectly because the population has grown over the years. What I should have said is that a smaller percentage of the work force is employed now than has been the case for 35-40 years. That reflects people who have, for one reason or another, given up trying to find a job. The unemployment rate does not count those people as unemployed.
There are any number of places to find statistical proof of this, as the primary source is the DOL, but here's a link to one: http://money.cnn.com/2013/09/06/news/economy/labor-force-participation/index.html
You're wrong. First off, I don't love Obama. However, I do not think he is near as bad as made out to be by some. People like HR blame him for about everything. I am not super liberal. I am sorry that does not fit your narrative. Are the numbers worse than they were in January 2009? I don't think so. Show me a source that says these are the worst employment numbers in 35 years. An objective statistical source. I don't like the ACA a whole lot. I would just make Medicare universal and allow people to buy supplements. Would have been a lot easier.
As for foreign policy, I get sick of these tough talking armchair quarterbacks. Ready to drag the US into war without end with no real practical alternative. I have news for people...Iran was well along to developing nukes with the sanctions on. It wasnt stopping them. Iran was going to get nukes...when, not if. As for North Korea....I dont see a whole lot of difference in US policy for a long time.
I didn't say anything about the unemployment rate, only the numbers of unemployed. There are also a bunch of articles out there that attribute much of the rate increase to demographic factors. Is the economy a factor, absolutely. Is Obama to blame, who knows. However, those demographic factors are going to continue to be a factor for another decade. Are you going to blame President Bush for a continued fall?
I assume you are talking to me. No. don't flatter yourself. There are plenty like you here and other places.
I will give Bush credit for one thing; Henry Paulson basically staved off an economic collapse. However the Iraq was/is a disaster.
As for labor participation rates, its mostly a demographics issue.
http://www.factcheck.org/2015/03/declining-labor-participation-rates/
I will give Bush credit for one thing; Henry Paulson basically staved off an economic collapse. However the Iraq was/is a disaster.
As for labor participation rates, its mostly a demographics issue.
http://www.factcheck.org/2015/03/declining-labor-participation-rates/
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It's complete fallacy to claim "every economic indicator" is better. Moreover, improvements began occurring under Republican leadership in the house. But remember how Republican "austerity" was going to doom us lol ?
Permanently destroying medicine and marginalizing small, private practice practitioners in place of huge corporate medicine was a disaster also.
Not sure if this helps, but here is a Gallop unemployment link. http://www.gallup.com/poll/125639/Gallup-Daily-Workforce.aspx It shows that things have been improving since 2010. Doesn't go further back than that. I do know a lot of people are getting killed by Obamacare. The place where I work will drop spouse coverage for those spouses who have access to healthcare through their own employer. It is doubling a lot of people's deductible. Many spouses are contemplating quitting work or cutting back hours so that they will become ineligible for their own coverage, thus reducing their deductibles.
I also eat way to much fast food and I have heard in 3 of them, that the employers are avoiding having workers exceed 30 hours of work in order to keep from having to provide coverage. I've heard many employees complaining about having to travel to and from 2 jobs now rather than one and how much it has messed up their lives. They used to work roughly 10AM until 6:30PM, now they are working in broken shifts. 10AM until 4:30 at one job and then traveling to pick up a few late night hours. Their time with their families is getting crushed.
These are all easy to foresee circumstances of the ACA, but congress and their administration had their heads in the sand. Its like Nafta, it kills average Americans and the politicians love it.
I also eat way to much fast food and I have heard in 3 of them, that the employers are avoiding having workers exceed 30 hours of work in order to keep from having to provide coverage. I've heard many employees complaining about having to travel to and from 2 jobs now rather than one and how much it has messed up their lives. They used to work roughly 10AM until 6:30PM, now they are working in broken shifts. 10AM until 4:30 at one job and then traveling to pick up a few late night hours. Their time with their families is getting crushed.
These are all easy to foresee circumstances of the ACA, but congress and their administration had their heads in the sand. Its like Nafta, it kills average Americans and the politicians love it.
This is the way a feeble-minded person thinks. If you haven't been impacted by the current failures, you are lucky. However, many of the decisions that have been made over the last few years will only continue to cost the United States in years to come.
I think presidents get far too much credit when the economy is good and far too much blame when it is bad.....no matter which party they represent.
Having said that, I don't know why this president should be treated differently than all his predecessors (of both parties). As the figures I linked indicate, the true employment situation in this country now is bad.
Over a six and a half year period economic indicators moving forward are part of the natural growth of the economy so he gets no credit for the movement. What's also true is that this is the slowest recovery in modern history(about half the normal rate) in addition his foreign policy and policy of disengagement and general lack of leadership around the world have helped create a mess that makes the world a much more dangerous place
The ACA has nothing to do with employers going to high deductible plans. I saw plans go up over 10% every year but one for over 10 years in premium costs. Lots of employers went to high deductible plans with HSA's. It has ZERO to do with the ACA
Like I said, I would have preferred a Medicare expansion, but I am not going to blame the ACA for stuff it didn't cause.
Like I said, I would have preferred a Medicare expansion, but I am not going to blame the ACA for stuff it didn't cause.
Our company had both plans available until this year. Now we only have high deductible plans as an option. That change was completely due to ACA.
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If you are going to play the "blame game" then it wasn't Bush's fault - it was Clinton's... and so on.
Agreed with the general sentiment. The simpletons who keep saying voting doesn't matter have outed themselves as bitter for never getting their choice into office, and they likely were raised in a family that thinks Astrology is a science.
1- NSA Spying
2- Hardline Stance on MJ legalization (Holder)
3- Addressing long term structural debt issues (Could have had a deal with Boehner, but came back wanting more) Blew it. I am a supporter of the Concord Coalition and want this addressed.
4- Pushing it in the Ukraine with Russia. Who cares? We have no interest there.
5- Either fight a war or don't. You can make this criticism of a few presidents. We didn't care about civilian casualties in Tokyo or Dresden, if we are at a war with terror and thats where terrorists are....Half assed doesn't work. Or, just get out...all the way out. Either would be preferable.
I'm sure I might think of one or two more....is that enough?
Don't feel guilty. You may not like him, but the people who run factcheck.org love him to death. Their record is, shall we say, less than stellar.
P.S. I don't like the guy myself.
My parents were broke as hell coming off the farming crisis of the 1980's. I make six figures in the mortgage industry. While it's anecdotal evidence as well as torbee's, I feel confident in saying I'm better off than my parents were at the age of 27.
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