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This could get ugly!
Why would that be when their accusations caused him to lose his job and a future job with the Jaguars? He was let go from Jag's strictly due to what he has been accused of (not found guilty of). Just curious. Thanks in adavnce.Can he? Yes. Whether such a claim could be viable? Highly unlikely.
Why would that be when their accusations caused him to lose his job and a future job with the Jaguars? He was let go from Jag's strictly due to what he has been accused of (not found guilty of). Just curious. Thanks in adavnce.
For instacnce - here is an article that is essentially finding him guilty and defaming his character based on accusations, not facts.
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Thank god a clown fan showed up to tell us how it really is.
Unfortunately with these damn cell phones we're pretty much there now......
Damn it! Found out again! Time for a new watering hole.....Are they recording and listening all the time like Alexa? We know they know exactly where you are at any time (assuming you have your phone with). I always liked it when they said they don't track users. Well then how is google maps showing real time traffic?
That old kceasthawk, owner of cell phone xyz, sure does like to stop off at the screaming eagle bar about 5:30pm at night, let's make sure he says these kinds of ads.
"And, as beerhawk aptly noted, juries are extremely volatile critters, you never what they'll believe or why. That's why 90% of civil cases settle."Great post. Most cases come down to a swearing contest between the competing sides. You look at things like corroboration, common sense concepts like people do not hide things if they have nothing to hide, and most importantly I think is willing candor. I once had an alluding case when I was young. So I went out and actually measured the number of feet my guy would have driven in less than three minutes.
For the police theory to have been true it would have required my guy to travel 212 mph through narrow side streets south of Ingersoll. So my guy's version of the events was more rather than less likely because the police told such a monumentally stupid lie just so they could overcharge him.
And, as beerhawk aptly noted, juries are extremely volatile critters, you never what they'll believe or why. That's why 90% of civil cases settle.
"And, as beerhawk aptly noted, juries are extremely volatile critters, you never what they'll believe or why. That's why 90% of civil cases settle."
That and defense attorney fees to go to court can be nearly as high as it costs to settle some of the claims.
so who pays the court reporters fee's? Is that on the university, players or tax payers?In big cases, $200K and up its cheaper, but much riskier to go to trial. There could be hundreds of witnesses in this case. They will all need to be interviewed and most of them would need to be deposed. That alone would cost hundreds of thousands of dollars.
In this case, however, the AG is defending so there are no defense costs but the court reporters fees could be hundreds of thousands of dollars. That's just one part of a complex case.
How so?Lets see how confident these ex-players really are. Sounds like they're the ones who potentially have the most to lose...
As mentioned above, Iowa has the AG defending so they aren't paying attorney fees. The ex-players may end up paying in the end if they lose. IDK what kind of arrangement they have with their attorney but I can't imagine they want to do all this work for free.How so?
Serious question.
So basically you're saying fear might play into the players deciding to move forward? Fear that they may have to come to the table with $ if they lose? Again, serious question.As mentioned above, Iowa has the AG defending so they aren't paying attorney fees. The ex-players may end up paying in the end if they lose. IDK what kind of arrangement they have with their attorney but I can't imagine they want to do all this work for free.
I'm betting the Attorneys are working this on contingency.As mentioned above, Iowa has the AG defending so they aren't paying attorney fees. The ex-players may end up paying in the end if they lose. IDK what kind of arrangement they have with their attorney but I can't imagine they want to do all this work for free.
Pretty much. It has to be a factor, right? Even if their attorney told them they don't pay unless they win, what happens if/when damning info comes up during discovery that is bad for the ex-players? Would their attorney cut his losses and drop the suit rather than dump more time into a losing battle?So basically you're saying fear might play into the players deciding to move forward? Fear that they may have to come to the table with $ if they lose? Again, serious question.
Pretty much. It has to be a factor, right? Even if their attorney told them they don't pay unless they win, what happens if/when damning info comes up during discovery that is bad for the ex-players? Would their attorney cut his losses and drop the suit rather than dump more time into a losing battle?
Google this: "Litigation Privilege"
Lots of returns on this. Can you boil it down for us?
In general, allegations in a Complaint are immune from libel claims.
Wow what a great way to be able to trash someone's reputation with impunity.
Agreed, but we all know the allegations get front page coverage and news that they were false is page 8. Plus, many read them and take em as gospel.A complaint contains "allegations." A defendant has every opportunity to defend whether the allegations are accurate. A court of law provides the very forum to test and to determine whether "allegations" are true, accurate and supported by evidence.
There are two types of court reporters fees. Court hearing transcripts and discovery deposition transcripts.so who pays the court reporters fee's? Is that on the university, players or tax payers?
To add to this, the concept is that civil rights violations are important to litigate and get corrective action for, but such cases may have very low actual damages. Therefore to encourage attorneys to pursue the claims and obtain remedial action (or to help assure peoples civil rights are respected) reasonable attorneys fees and costs can be ordered to be paid by the defendant.In civil rights litigation, there is "fee shifting" language for a prevailing plaintiff. Thus, one of the risks faced by defendants in civil rights litigation involves the chance that they will have to pay some or all of the fees claimed by plaintiff's counsel.
And, before anyone asks the question, there is no "fee shifting" language in favor of a prevailing defendant. And, no, in statutes with "fee shifting" provisions, it is not uncommon for such provisions to only favor plaintiffs.
That's what I mean, these weren't just "allegations" they presented them as facts and got a guy removed from his job and cost him a future job. There has to be a way to counter this or else heck I could make a case against anyone really and they now have to defend and cannot counter, it's a win\win for them - if they lose they have tarnished a persons character to a point where they can't get a job. If they win, the same plus possible monetary rewards to boot.Wow what a great way to be able to trash someone's reputation with impunity.
Look at rape cases for example (google "football player spent years in jail for a rape he didn't commit") - when accusations are made the defendant is plastered all over the news so that person character is immediately and indefinitely smeared for life. When the defendant wins the case the accuser is rarely, if ever give the same coverage (and most of the time still believed by 50+%). Look at Kavanaugh case where Ford was just a tool, Kavanaugh will always be remembered for this - Ford...where is she now?Agreed, but we all know the allegations get front page coverage and news that they were false is page 8. Plus, many read them and take em as gospel.
Immediately when I see his name I think about the kickoff against Tennessee... What in the Hell was he thinking/doing?I really feel bad for Jonathan Parker....
We all did.Well he did have to endure the Greg Davis years.
That's what I mean, these weren't just "allegations" they presented them as facts and got a guy removed from his job and cost him a future job. There has to be a way to counter this or else heck I could make a case against anyone really and they now have to defend and cannot counter, it's a win\win for them - if they lose they have tarnished a persons character to a point where they can't get a job. If they win, the same plus possible monetary rewards to boot.
Agree 100% with the last statement, I'm legally inept and get most of my courtroom from Judge Judy and divorce court...Not a lawyer, but my best guess at an answer is that going to court and fighting it there is the opportunity for a person to defend themselves. Or fighting it at the organizational level as well. Doyle made the decision to accept the payout from Iowa and not demand a hearing. He could have chosen at any time to go public with his version of what took place while he was the coach. I don't know if that was a wise decision or not to stay quiet, that was a decision he and his legal representation made.
The whole thing caught validity and started resonating last summer as it moved beyond just players who had left the program complaining to guys who had gone through the program, got their degree, were in the NFL, etc. They couldn't be dismissed as holding grudges due to being disgruntled. Again, I'm not saying one side is right or wrong, just the way things are. It became clear that Iowa felt like it couldn't openly disagree with players who went through their entire program (probably a wise decision).
As to what should happen going forward with this legal case against BF and Doyle, I have no idea. If Iowa/defendants settle, I'm not sure how BF is ever a college head coach, and even to some extent how he continues in his current job. Every story about him if he's under consideration will include this. It might anyway, even if everything is dismissed or they go to court and the ruling is for the defendants. Which is kind of the point of your post.
Appreciate the people in this thread who do know what they are talking about.
Steve Alford has continued to find work, despite how he "managed" the Pierre Pierce situation. Brian will need to clean up his act, but unless there are things more egregious than what's been in the press, this case won't keep him from a HC position somewhere. It may, however, keep him from getting the HC job in Iowa City.As to what should happen going forward with this legal case against BF and Doyle, I have no idea. If Iowa/defendants settle, I'm not sure how BF is ever a college head coach, and even to some extent how he continues in his current job. Every story about him if he's under consideration will include this. It might anyway, even if everything is dismissed or they go to court and the ruling is for the defendants. Which is kind of the point of your post.
The landscape has changed a lot since the Alford eraSteve Alford has continued to find work, despite how he "managed" the Pierre Pierce situation. Brian will need to clean up his act, but unless there are things more egregious than what's been in the press, this case won't keep him from a HC position somewhere. It may, however, keep him from getting the HC job in Iowa City.
Correct.The landscape has changed a lot since the Alford era
Doyle's best defense against the allegations and charges of racism has always been the public comments and testimony of the other hundreds of football players who have come under his supervision. Not too many have come to his defense so far.Probably a much better route to vigorously defend against the allegations, introduce throngs of evidence that there was not a "hostile" environment to black football players, introduce evidence that black football players were not singled out for harassing behavior and win on the merits. If and when that happens, Doyle can hold that out as direct proof that he was innocent of the civil charges levied against him.