FOX News and Senator Lankford get remarkably candid: Trump sabotaged a solid bipartisan border deal because Trump didn't want it fixed.

[Jerome Silberman]

That's because you don't understand...

We should be processing applicants at a rate that we dictate, not the rate that they want to show up,.. The Lankford bill attempted to increase our processing capacity, which simply pushes the problem onto other areas of our society which isn't able to accommodate the excessive flow...

This is our country, we get to call the shots....

Wouldn't setting a daily limit with an actual law, not an EO, be calling the shots in the most traditional way?

It seems like you just don't feel comfortable with any sort of compromise, or the reality that the population must increase to keep our economic model viable and the birthrate isn't keeping up with demand.

 

[Rifler]

Wouldn't setting a daily limit with an actual law, not an EO, be calling the shots in the most traditional way?

It seems like you just don't feel comfortable with any sort of compromise, or the reality that the population must increase to keep our economic model viable and the birthrate isn't keeping up with demand.

I'm very much in favor of legal immigration, but we need immigrants that provide the skills that we're looking for,.. Our economy isn't looking for unskilled labor.

 

[sober_teacher]

That's because you don't understand...

We should be processing applicants at a rate that we dictate, not the rate that they want to show up,.. The Lankford bill attempted to increase our processing capacity, which simply pushes the problem onto other areas of our society which isn't able to accommodate the excessive flow...

This is our country, we get to call the shots....

We do process applicants at a rate we dictate…trouble is that process takes years to be completed because the resources to handle them faster.

 

[theiacowtipper]

I'm very much in favor of legal immigration, but we need immigrants that provide the skills that we're looking for,.. Our economy isn't looking for unskilled labor.

Then why does our economy hire immigrants, documented and otherwise, for unskilled labor?

 

[globalhawk]

A couple of the worst elements were a daily acceptable quota for illegal border crossings, and the allowance of far too much executive discretion over actual enforcement...

This has been debunked.

 

[globalhawk]

A couple of the worst elements were a daily acceptable quota for illegal border crossings, and the allowance of far too much executive discretion over actual enforcement...

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/im...0-illegal-border-crossings-per-day-rcna136656

 

[SI_NYC]

The bill that Lankford participated in was a fiasco and didn't deserve passage,... Would have made things even more difficult to fix.

Did you read the bill?

 

[Jerome Silberman]

I'm very much in favor of legal immigration, but we need immigrants that provide the skills that we're looking for,.. Our economy isn't looking for unskilled labor.

It sure as sh!t is.

 

[Scott559]

Our economy isn't looking for unskilled labor.

Farmers in California and Florida would like to have a word with you.

 

[theVoicefromtheTomb]

I'm very much in favor of legal immigration, but we need immigrants that provide the skills that we're looking for,.. Our economy isn't looking for unskilled labor.

Don’t we need both types of labor.

And you are operating under the assumption that these immigrants have no skills and/or cannot be trained.

 

[Rifler]

We do process applicants at a rate we dictate…trouble is that process takes years to be completed because the resources to handle them faster.

A process that takes years to complete is overtaxed,... We should only be accepting applicants at a rate where we can properly process them,.. The excess can wait in line.

 

[Rifler]

Then why does our economy hire immigrants, documented and otherwise, for unskilled labor?

Because they are willing to work for less than any other labor source,.. This negatively impacts labor market wages.

 

[sober_teacher]

A process that takes years to complete is overtaxed,... We should only be accepting applicants only at a rate where we can properly process them,.. They excess can wait in line.

It’s overtaxed because we haven’t had anywhere near the resources available to handle them.

 

[Rifler]

Farmers in California and Florida would like to have a word with you.

Farmers in California and Florida needed 2,000,000 laborers last year?... I don't think so.

 

[Rifler]

It’s overtaxed because we haven’t had anywhere near the resources available to handle them.

And we never will have the resources to handle an uncontrolled influx of immigrants,.. We need do this on our terms, select the people we want, and handle them correctly...

 

[Scott559]

Farmers in California and Florida needed 2,000,000 laborers last year?... I don't think so.

Care to point me to where I gave a number they needed, You said the U.S. did not need unskilled labor, I simply pointed out we actually do.

 

[Rifler]

Don’t we need both types of labor. And you are operating under the assumption that these immigrants have no skills and/or cannot be trained.

We need many different types of labor,.. I think we would be best served by identifying what we need and then going after it, rather than just accepting what shows up..

 

[Rifler]

Care to point me to where I gave a number they needed, You said the U.S. did not need unskilled labor, I simply pointed out we actually do.

Our need for unskilled labor is a drop in the bucket compared to where the bulk of our labor market is now, and particularly where it is going....

 

[Kelsers]

Our need for unskilled labor is a drop in the bucket compared to where the bulk of our labor market is now, and particularly where it is going....

Where is the bulk of our labor market?

 

[jneffer]

Our need for unskilled labor is a drop in the bucket compared to where the bulk of our labor market is now, and particularly where it is going....

the guy who doesn't think our economy needs unskilled immigrant labor is the expert on the labor market as a whole...

 

[Rifler]

Where is the bulk of our labor market?

Skilled trades,.. Practically every job capable of providing a middle class income requires some level of education and/or skill...

 

[Scott559]

Our need for unskilled labor is a drop in the bucket compared to where the bulk of our labor market is now, and particularly where it is going....

Might want to read this.

Unskilled Labor Shortage in the US and Immigrant Workforce

Learn more about the unskilled labor shortage in the U.S and discover how immigrants help bridge the gap and contribute to the labor market's vitality.

www.nexaworkforce.com

 

[Rifler]

the guy who doesn't think our economy needs unskilled immigrant labor is the expert on the labor market as a whole...

Our economy is eliminating unskilled jobs on a daily basis,... AI will accelerate this.

 

[sober_teacher]

And we never will have the resources to handle an uncontrolled influx of immigrants,.. We need do this on our terms, select the people we want, and handle them correctly...

These are two separate issues tho. There is a massive backlog NOW that takes years to get through, which is then made worse by the continued influx of immigrants (hardly uncontrolled).

I’d argue for a compromise here - we need more resources devoted to this than we have today, and truly this has been a problem for decades. The explosion of immigrants who apply for processing has only made a situation worse.

 

[cohawk]

Then why does our economy hire immigrants, documented and otherwise, for unskilled labor?

Why are crops going unpicked in Florida?
Why are construction sites empty in Florida?

If you choke the labor supply you will cause inflation.

The right tends to simplify issues that are quite complex. Such as building the wall.

 

[Rifler]

I’d argue for a compromise here - we need more resources devoted to this than we have today, and truly this has been a problem for decades. The explosion of immigrants who apply for processing has only made a situation worse.

No need for either of us to compromise then because that is exactly where I'm at,.. We set up a system that allows us to process new applicants at a manageable rate, and that is likely an increase over our current capacity,... Then we set up a separate system to process the backlog,... But have to control the current flow.

 

[jneffer]

Our economy is eliminating unskilled jobs on a daily basis,... AI will accelerate this.

you don't need to pretend to be an expert - or even remotely knowledgeable - on a subject when that CLEARLY isn't the case

 

[sober_teacher]

No need for either of us to compromise then because that is exactly where I'm at,.. We set up a system that allows us to process new applicants at a manageable rate, and that is likely an increase over our current capacity,... Then we set up a separate system to process the backlog,... But have to control the current flow.

So next all we have to do is figure out the definition of manageable…

Cons won’t like it, but there almost has to be a short-term larger infusion of resources to deal with the backlog, and like you said, figure out something for the long-run so we can try to avoid this in the future.

 

[Rifler]

So next all we have to do is figure out the definition of manageable…

Cons won’t like it, but there almost has to be a short-term larger infusion of resources to deal with the backlog, and like you said, figure out something for the long-run so we can try to avoid this in the future.

I think it has to be a combination of what we can process at the border plus the ability of our society to accept these people,.. At this point we've already proven that we can bus them to the interior faster than we can accept them.

 

[sober_teacher]

I think it has to be a combination of what we can process at the border plus the ability of society to accept these people,.. At this point we've already proven that we can bus them to the interior faster than the interior can accept them....

In terms of the border, I think the goal needs to be 6 months or less imo. As far as society? That feels like a constantly moving target in terms of how you define that. Infrastructure wise, I think the limit of what can be absorbed is fairly high. Culturally seems to have the largest number of trouble-spots that is not unusual historically, and frankly seems to have greater basis in xenophobia than actual fact.

 

[Menace Sockeyes]

Dan Crenshaw joins the chorus of Republicans admitting Trump sabotaged a strong border for political purposes: