Fran Apology...

[the24fan]

I see this morning that Fran has apologized to Brian Jones about not shaking hands?
Wonder if he got any heat from the higher ups last night over this incident?
My guess he is just doing the politically correct thing in apologizing? I still think it was complete bush league play by ND. No problem whatsoever with Iowa walking off.

 

[showtime641]

So PC.

 

[ScoutRefugee]

He probably calmed down and got some advice from his wife and his assistant coaches. Realized that a couple of players behavior didn't warrant a tantrum. He's a competitor. He wears it on his sleeve.

 

[iowamike21]

When will the ND staff apologize for the crass behavior of their players that precipitated the no-hand-shake?

If gutless Barta wanted an apology to ND, he should have given it. Leave Fran alone. If Ferentz had the same fire Fran does, the football team may not have lost its battle with the boys from ND State.

 

[madmustang4]

It was a bad look for Fran. Wish he hadn't done it. Would rather he shook hands with Jones and expressed his unhappiness to Jones in the line. Have to believe there's more to it than the ball take away with seconds left in the game.

 

[33hawkfan]

It was a bad look for Fran. Wish he hadn't done it. Would rather he shook hands with Jones and expressed his unhappiness to Jones in the line. Have to believe there's more to it than the ball take away with seconds left in the game.

Jones should just be glad he didn't catch hands from Fran after that display.

 

[Suterman]

When will the ND staff apologize for the crass behavior of their players that precipitated the no-hand-shake?

If gutless Barta wanted an apology to ND, he should have given it. Leave Fran alone. If Ferentz had the same fire Fran does, the football team may not have lost its battle with the boys from ND State.

Ferentz has the same fire as Fran, he just shows it differently.

 

[AuroraHawk]

Internet tough guys crack me up.

Fran clearly had time to cool off, think things over and regrets walking off the court without shaking hands. Not a particularly surprising revelation. Not uncommon for someone to self-reflect and conclude afterwards "if I had the chance to do it again .... would've acted differently."

Doesn't diminish some bush league antics by ND's players or the coaching staff. It just identifies that Fran has given it some additional thought and believes that it could've been handled better.

 

[unIowa]

The ND coach game w the old "count it sign" on that last shot so I don't think I can give that guy the benefit of the doubt.

At the end though just go give the meaningless handshakes...or whatever, this is a non issue as long as the team doesn't let it distract them.

 

[EpenesaEpenesa]

Jones should be happy Fran didn't treat him like the chair at Michigan State

 

[madmustang4]

Ferentz has the same fire as Fran, he just shows it differently.

Agree. I call it the Urban Meyer handshake. KF shakes hand but makes his point while doing it.

 

[Buffhawk]

Fully support Fran. What is he going to do? Walk down the line telling them how great they are for play like that? There is no room for the cheap play that came from that cheap kid! Fran downplayed it by saying he did not believe the ND coach teaches that kind of stuff. Apparently he did endorse this kind of play as he never pulled Hooker out of the game. As Fran said, the game was over!

 

[Pepperman]

Internet tough guys crack me up.

Fran clearly had time to cool off, think things over and regrets walking off the court without shaking hands. Not a particularly surprising revelation. Not uncommon for someone to self-reflect and conclude afterwards "if I had the chance to do it again .... would've acted differently."

Doesn't diminish some bush league antics by ND's players or the coaching staff. It just identifies that Fran has given it some additional thought and believes that it could've been handled better.

This times a million. Hopefully many of our fans realize this is true.

 

[DavenportHawk8]

Who was the Big Ten Coach (Crean?) maybe who went after an opposing teams Assistant coach? I mean in a heated game where there was alot of "garbage" plays then you will have issues like the one that came up last night.

Fran was upset and decided to walk to away. He wasn't happy with the way the ND players finished the game as they started to revert to "cheap" and "bush league" moves. The T on Bohannon at best is a no call. I realized he swung his arm, but the ND player had a hold of his hip. You see JBO moving trying to get away and the guy wouldn't let go. Personally if you call anything its a Double Technical (both guys get it).

The late foul on PJ was kind of bush, but they were only down 9-11pts and trying to extend the game. It also looked like PJ stumbled a little.

The last 2 seconds is what got me. Even the covering official looked pissed off and gave the ND coach a stare down. I realize you want to fight and keep playing, but there is a gentlemen's understanding that if your down double digits and under 10 seconds, play hard nose defense, but if the other team has given up, then you give up. What would of been ND's reaction if Baer took that rebound and dribbled to half court shot it and made it? What would of they done? Probably the same thing as Fran.

Games over, time to move on.

 

[Bulldogs1974]

It was a bad look for Fran. Wish he hadn't done it. Would rather he shook hands with Jones and expressed his unhappiness to Jones in the line. Have to believe there's more to it than the ball take away with seconds left in the game.

THis, 100% this. Coach K (like him or hate him, he's a hall of famer) would have had every player wait behind him while he talked to the opposing teams coach. That way his players knew that behavior is not acceptable. Fran lost a chance to teach his kids a valuable lesson and replaced it with a "what not to do" example.

 

[DanL53]

There is nothing wrong with getting angry. It is how one reacts when angry that gets one in trouble.

I love how (sarcasm) people are all sure of how well they'd have handled the situation. Especially those that don't even know what the situation was. All I can say, because this is just couch coach conjecture going on here, is I don't believe 90% of the posters who claim they'd have been able to give Jones a handshake after everything that went on.

Fran turned and walked away. The exact right thing to do if he was angry.

As to an apology later, there is nothing wrong with that either.

I've honestly stated before that I imagine if I were in that situation I'd have already been tossed for having to be pulled off the little creep who knocked Jok down. That's why I'm not a college basketball coach. So, posters who are holding a measuring stick up to Fran for walking off the court, why aren't you earning millions of bucks? You obviously enjoy the game enough to watch it.

 

[Pepperman]

There is nothing wrong with getting angry. It is how one reacts when angry that gets one in trouble.

Completely agree. If Fran's only other option in his head at the time would have been to get violent, I'm also glad he did what he did. Call me crazy, but I think there were other options on the table.

I love how (sarcasm) people are all sure of how well they'd have handled the situation. Especially those that don't even know what the situation was. All I can say, because this is just couch coach conjecture going on here, is I don't believe 90% of the posters who claim they'd have been able to give Jones a handshake after everything that went on.

There is a saying that when your enemy is making himself look bad, don't get in the way. Fran got in the way and took the spotlight off North Dakota. Also, I've been in a game where a teammate was punched in the face in the 4th quarter. We still lined up and shook hands afterwards, because that's what you do - blame the poor actor for his poor actions, and you take the high road with yours.

I've honestly stated before that I imagine if I were in that situation I'd have already been tossed for having to be pulled off the little creep who knocked Jok down. That's why I'm not a college basketball coach. So, posters who are holding a measuring stick up to Fran for walking off the court, why aren't you earning millions of bucks? You obviously enjoy the game enough to watch it.

There is a difference between claiming you can do the job equally or better and KNOWING what the right or wrong thing to do is. If Richard Sherman screams in Erin Andrews' face again, I know that's not what he should have done, but that doesn't mean I'm saying I can be a better DB than Sherman and I deserve millions of dollars for pointing it out.

 

[33hawkfan]

THis, 100% this. Coach K (like him or hate him, he's a hall of famer) would have had every player wait behind him while he talked to the opposing teams coach. That way his players knew that behavior is not acceptable. Fran lost a chance to teach his kids a valuable lesson and replaced it with a "what not to do" example.

Yeah a guy like Coach K would belittle an opposing player in the handshake and then lie about it to the media...classy guy.

 

[DanL53]

You made a good point there Pepperman. ^^^ If posters are talking about the perfect thing to do, maybe it would have been for Fran to shake hands.

I think I see now were talking from two different perspectives. The theoretical best thing to do, and what did take place and if it is acceptable behavior.

If I evaluate this conversation correctly now, we are both right.

 

[Bulldogs1974]

So you think fran would have belittled a North Dakota player if he had told them "that's not how you do things"

 

[ScoutRefugee]

There is nothing wrong with getting angry. It is how one reacts when angry that gets one in trouble.

I love how (sarcasm) people are all sure of how well they'd have handled the situation. Especially those that don't even know what the situation was. All I can say, because this is just couch coach conjecture going on here, is I don't believe 90% of the posters who claim they'd have been able to give Jones a handshake after everything that went on.

Fran turned and walked away. The exact right thing to do if he was angry.

As to an apology later, there is nothing wrong with that either.

I've honestly stated before that I imagine if I were in that situation I'd have already been tossed for having to be pulled off the little creep who knocked Jok down. That's why I'm not a college basketball coach. So, posters who are holding a measuring stick up to Fran for walking off the court, why aren't you earning millions of bucks? You obviously enjoy the game enough to watch it.

You can't look your players in the face at practice/ during games and demand they exhibit self control, if you can't do that much yourself. Somebody has to be in control. Somebody has to be the leader. It's a little thing but little things count.

 

[Pepperman]

So you think fran would have belittled a North Dakota player if he had told them "that's not how you do things"

If I can still speculate about what I think the right thing to do would be, the player never gets addressed Coach K style. Instead, you wait until you get to the staff, and you tell them what you didn't like, that you don't believe they teach that crap, and good luck the rest of the way.

 

[Bulldogs1974]

There is nothing wrong with getting angry. It is how one reacts when angry that gets one in trouble.

I love how (sarcasm) people are all sure of how well they'd have handled the situation. Especially those that don't even know what the situation was. All I can say, because this is just couch coach conjecture going on here, is I don't believe 90% of the posters who claim they'd have been able to give Jones a handshake after everything that went on.

Fran turned and walked away. The exact right thing to do if he was angry.

As to an apology later, there is nothing wrong with that either.

I've honestly stated before that I imagine if I were in that situation I'd have already been tossed for having to be pulled off the little creep who knocked Jok down. That's why I'm not a college basketball coach. So, posters who are holding a measuring stick up to Fran for walking off the court, why aren't you earning millions of bucks? You obviously enjoy the game enough to watch it.

I coach: I have been through thousands of handshakes all the way from 1st graders through college. From tee ball, to state tournament games to college bowl games. I never would have done what he did, under last nights circumstances.

 

[HawkGem10]

Yeah a guy like Coach K would belittle an opposing player in the handshake and then lie about it to the media...classy guy.

Coach K is a joke a head coach that whines and complains about everything and even sticks up for his VERY VERY DIRTY players

 

[SDHawkDoc]

I have to laugh when I see the comments with the derogatory references to "PC" toward those of us that think Fran made the wrong choice in not shaking hands. I think you are lacking an understanding of that term, and completely misapplying it in this case.

The custom is to shake hands after a game. It has been the established norm for decades. That is not what "politically correct" refers to in modern usage.

If anything, those of us that think Fran should have just gone through with the handshake would be more appropriately labeled conservative in that we are supporting the idea that you follow through with the established norm of response for this situation.

I'm neither politically liberal nor conservative according to current definitions.
Personally, I never cared much one way or another about the post game handshake.

 

[Bulldogs1974]

Coach K is a joke a head coach that whines and complains about everything and even sticks up for his VERY VERY DIRTY players

What? I hate duke. But you show a complete lack of basketball knowledge here. BTW: jacob jaakes, mccabe, woody, kingsbury are some of the dirtiest players I have ever seen and they were Iowa favorites. Just goes to show your lack of objectivity when it comes to your favorite team vs one you hate.

 

[33hawkfan]

Coach K is a joke a head coach that whines and complains about everything and even sticks up for his VERY VERY DIRTY players

Truth. It's ok for Grayson Allen to trip guys again and again, but if Dillon Brooks hits a 3 late in a game after Coach K has decided the game is over, well he needs to hear about it.

 

[StatisticsLie]

The ND coach game w the old "count it sign" on that last shot so I don't think I can give that guy the benefit of the doubt.

At the end though just go give the meaningless handshakes...or whatever, this is a non issue as long as the team doesn't let it distract them.

Maybe he bet the under on the game.....

 

[DanL53]

If I can still speculate about what I think the right thing to do would be, the player never gets addressed Coach K style. Instead, you wait until you get to the staff, and you tell them what you didn't like, that you don't believe they teach that crap, and good luck the rest of the way.

It's the Captan Kirk versus Spock argument all over again.

Spock, "The logical and correct thing to do would be to shake hands and walk away."

Kirk, "I'm telling you I'd had enough and walked away because I was angry."

Spock, "You didn't state it that way."

Kirk, phasor in hand, set to kill, "You #$%^ Vulcan!!! I've had it! (zap..zap) Logic this and perfect that (zap, zap) If the situation were reversed, I'd be the bad guy! (zap, zap) I'f I'd have shaken hands, I'd be a wimp! (zap, zap, zippy zap zap and more zap)"

Later, "Captains Log, I....killed everyone on the ship. I don't know what came over me. I remember Spock said something....and then I just...blacked out....."

 

[DavenportHawk8]

I have to laugh when I see the comments with the derogatory references to "PC" toward those of us that think Fran made the wrong choice in not shaking hands. I think you are lacking an understanding of that term, and completely misapplying it in this case.

The custom is to shake hands after a game. It has been the established norm for decades. That is not what "politically correct" refers to in modern usage.

If anything, those of us that think Fran should have just gone through with the handshake would be more appropriately labeled conservative in that we are supporting the idea that you follow through with the established norm of response for this situation.

I'm neither politically liberal nor conservative according to current definitions.
Personally, I never cared much one way or another about the post game handshake.

There high school associations that are taking that out of the game. There are state associations that tell teams not to shake hands after the game. They do a "pre-game" handshake at midfield or center court. But after the game is over they go to their own locker rooms.

 

[Bulldogs1974]

If I can still speculate about what I think the right thing to do would be, the player never gets addressed Coach K style. Instead, you wait until you get to the staff, and you tell them what you didn't like, that you don't believe they teach that crap, and good luck the rest of the way.

I have seen many great hs coaches, when the situation called for it, just tell a kid "you are better than that." Granted it's generally with kids in your conference that you've seen for more than a few games but it happens. You won't find many coaches who would bat an eye over it either.

 

[MepoDawg#]

When will the ND staff apologize for the crass behavior of their players that precipitated the no-hand-shake?

If gutless Barta wanted an apology to ND, he should have given it. Leave Fran alone. If Ferentz had the same fire Fran does, the football team may not have lost its battle with the boys from ND State.

Right, Ferentz has never shown fire on the sidelines. Never has yelled at refs or been flagged by the refs.

 

[EpenesaEpenesa]

What? I hate duke. But you show a complete lack of basketball knowledge here.

 

[SDHawkDoc]

There high school associations that are taking that out of the game. There are state associations that tell teams not to shake hands after the game. They do a "pre-game" handshake at midfield or center court. But after the game is over they go to their own locker rooms.

That might be a better way to go. Some people have a hard time with self control and that might be a way to avoid incidents.
I wouldn't have a problem with the NCAA doing away with the post game handshake.

But, the custom that has been in place for DECADES in college basketball is that the coaches shake hands after the game. Even coaches that despise each other follow through with it.

 

[DanL53]

I coach: I have been through thousands of handshakes all the way from 1st graders through college. From tee ball, to state tournament games to college bowl games. I never would have done what he did, under last nights circumstances.

But you do and have made that argument and others similar in regards to last nights game, repeatedly.

Which I would guess, and admittedly being guilty of it myself, is not a healthy sign of someone who could handle stress and shake hands and walk away. Or maybe I'm wrong. And nothing personal but I hope you get my point. Those of us on either side of this conversation who went to bed debating and woke up debating and are at work (not me...one of the lucky ones.) online debating...should probably not claim we'd have shaken hands and walked away.

Maybe we don't even remember the times we behave in typical human fashion which includes anger, jealousy, lot's of stuff. That's pretty common as well.

 

[33hawkfan]

I have seen many great hs coaches, when the situation called for it, just tell a kid "you are better than that." Granted it's generally with kids in your conference that you've seen for more than a few games but it happens. You won't find many coaches who would bat an eye over it either.

Yeah other coaches love it when opposing coaches tell their guys what to do.

 

[Bulldogs1974]

You don't think that you could put one of these together for virtually every school? Jacob Jaakes makes these players look like choir boys.

 

[ScoutRefugee]

I've always shook hands. After wins and losses. But self control was something I learned at a young age. People that can't control themselves end up looking foolish to most. If you don't mind looking foolish, that's fine. Fran obviously doesn't care and it's his reputation that's on the line.

 

[EpenesaEpenesa]

You don't think that you could put one of these together for virtually every school? Jacob Jaakes makes these players look like choir boys.

OMG just stop. I realize you think you're smarter than everyone else on here, but just stop

 

[Pepperman]

OMG just stop. I realize you think you're smarter than everyone else on here, but just stop

I think the point is every team has players that have, at times, lost their cool and done things (intentionally or not) that don't reflect well on the program.

My own personal viewpoint is that Duke is by and large a clean program, but since they are usually on top, they will be criticized GREATLY for anything that is remotely questionable. I hate Duke, by the way. I also am not a big Coach K fan, FWIW.