Hey, just saw you post over at the other site calling Fran a "big baby". Good to know your douchiness isn't confined to just this board.
Fran Apology...
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Yeah you know his kid had it coming, would have liked to see him getting his ass dropped
STFU. Fran sent a message, plane and simple that that type of play will not be tolerated at the end of the game when the outcome was decided. The coach of ND was taught a lesson for this game and previous games that have ended in far worse matters. Look at ND's history and you will know why Fran did what he did.
Quit acting like you know what Fran should of done in that situation. I live by the 24 hour rule as a coach and parent but if something needs to be addressed ASAP, I let it be known if it's bad enough - last night was bad and I'm shocked there wasn't a throw down.
Lighten up, Francis...we already have a big toe, and someone to drive us to wisconsin.
I coach too, Clown. And it doesn't take me 24 hrs to make the right decision. I don't need to know Fran to know he should have shook hands. I watched the game last night for the first time and there was NOTHING particularly dirty about anyone's play in that game. The final play was crap but certainly not worth a tantrum. Something was bothering Fran but it had nothing to do with the play on the court. He's immature. Plain and simple.
Maybe he was mad that he missed his sons' high school game that night and found out they lost for the first time this season in his absence! (sarcasm)
Your maturity and ability to have a real discussion without name calling astounds me. Well done Coach!!
I know the difference between in person and anonymous. And in spite of my "maturity" I have always SHOOK HANDS!
What does that say about the man you're defending?
Tell me again who I'm defending? I made a comment based on your repeated statements in this thread telling everyone how mature you are, didn't say a word about what happened after the game.
Then stick to the first sentence in my response. I'm smart enough to know when I can curse and when I can't. When I discipline my sons at home, I use different language and manners than when I'm dealing with other people's children. It's that simple for me. It's a shame that it isn't that simple for you. Stay in school. Don't do drugs!
I can understand Fran being upset. I have attended several basketball games and even worked the scorers table at some high school games/JUCO games. There are certain high pressure situations where its probably better not to shake hands with the opponent. I have witnessed in person grown men (coaches) arguing over fouls called or behavior of a certain player. In JUCO I have seen coaches have to restrain players because someone said something during the hand shake line. I am reminded of Tom Crean chasing the U of M assistant coach down and screaming at him on camera.
I do not care what level you've played or coached. There are just certain situations that are best to remove your self from and I believe Fran was right in leaving. Now making his players not shake hands I don't know. I would of let them go through the line if they wanted to. Some of those guys played AAU ball together and are friends. I am glad Fran apologized, but I don't blame him. The Technical, foul on Jok and the late game steal were all garbage plays. UND coach was screaming at his players t be more physical and being kind of an assshat during the game.
I think it needs to be like the NBA. If a player/coach wants to shake hands let them. IF they choose not to, they don't have to. There are several high school associations who are taking the post game hand shake out of the equation. Instead they shake before the game wishing each other good luck and that's it. Once the game ends the winning team usually stays out on the floor and the losing team heads to the locker room. I have had only 1 losing coach stay and shake hands with the winning coach. All others just leave right away to their locker room w/their players. No problems so far.
I do not care what level you've played or coached. There are just certain situations that are best to remove your self from and I believe Fran was right in leaving. Now making his players not shake hands I don't know. I would of let them go through the line if they wanted to. Some of those guys played AAU ball together and are friends. I am glad Fran apologized, but I don't blame him. The Technical, foul on Jok and the late game steal were all garbage plays. UND coach was screaming at his players t be more physical and being kind of an assshat during the game.
I think it needs to be like the NBA. If a player/coach wants to shake hands let them. IF they choose not to, they don't have to. There are several high school associations who are taking the post game hand shake out of the equation. Instead they shake before the game wishing each other good luck and that's it. Once the game ends the winning team usually stays out on the floor and the losing team heads to the locker room. I have had only 1 losing coach stay and shake hands with the winning coach. All others just leave right away to their locker room w/their players. No problems so far.
You've GOT to be kidding with that comment??? You'd be the first one OF MANY on here claiming Bohannon should be thrown out of the game if he "shoved the neck area" (that's how it would be spun here) of a Hawkeye player, regardless of how that Hawkeye player was grabbing his opposite hip. You'd have ZERO issue with the foul on Jok, and as for the very end of the game you might agree stripping the ball is a bad look, but you'd say "play until the final buzzer".
It is amazing that fans can justify whatever they want based strictly on uniforms being worn.
So have i. The AAU circuit with parents and coaches is as bad is it will ever get. I watched the replay last night, specifically looking for anything that might set off a Frantrum. That final seconds steal was the only obviously poor play in the game. So I think there was something personal between Fran and a ND coach/coaches to get that kind of response. If there is something I missed, someone give me the time of game it occurred. I'd love to hear it.
On the Bohannon play if I am an official I call that a "Double Technical" in that situation. Hooker was not letting go even after JBO had tried grabbing his hand and removing it. JBO even tried moving his arm in there to loosen the grip. I am shocked the officials didn't see that and just call a dead ball double technical foul on both players.
I agree completely with this. I also felt that Bohannon shoved him a little too hard, even though I know there was a lot of exaggerating by Hooker.
I saw that play. The guy tried to hook Bohannon's hip and Bohannon got chippy about it. That kind of stuff happens all the time. Players grab other players to impede movement. Woodbury used to grab the other players arm during the jump ball for cripes sake!!! Nobody on here ever suggested Woody get thrown out for it. If I had someone shedding tears every time I got grabbed illegally on the basketball court, there wouldn't be a dry eye in Kinnick! 70K +!
If you look, the other ND player was shielding the ref's view from the other side. That was a coordinated effort by the ND players to get under Bohannon's skin. No doubt. But not original or atrocious by any stretch of the butt hurt fans imagination!
I feel like I'm in the twilight zone even having these arguments. It's like nobody here has ever played basketball before.
I am going off of rumors, but I did hear that the UND coach had bad mouthed the U of Iowa to recruits before (nothing new though). Also I heard the UND coach was yelling at Iowa players during the game. Saying some negative crap at them.
Also watch the game and watch UND's assistant coaches. Every single call they were standing up screaming (most of the calls were correct). They were constantly being loud and out of control. The officials warned their bench to calm down and they did nothing but argue.I believe that spilled over into their players heads and that's why you saw the cheap crap down the stretch. I mean the covering official on the last play as pissed and gave the UND coach a glare. He was not happy with the way that team acted. UND had a fight in their previous game vs Iowa. The boarder states don't want to play them because of their lack of control (players & coaches).
I think it was a recipe that started before the game and as it played out in the game Fran had enough. No problem with walking away.
The reviewed it though. There is thing called instant replay where the camera angle caught the WHOLE thing. There was a perfect angle of the hold. So after watching it and seeing JBO make 2 tries to get his hands off of him and Hooker didn't. JBO retaliated and unfortunately costed him a Technical.
I am just saying after watching it, the best thing to do is call a double technical. Hooker wasn't letting go and JBO retaliated. I.E. double technical.
Yeah grabbing is not allowed. I realize it happens in the game, and yes I have played/coached basketball for years. You will see "veteran" officials before handing the ball to the inbounds players, have everyone hands up or at their sides. If they are grabbing they stop and tell them give them space. I have even seen officials call Technicals for players grabbing players even after they warned them.
It had to be something other than what I saw on the court. There was nothing unusual besides that last play. Nothing I haven't seen 100 times before.
I'm not arguing the double T at all. They could have called both ND players for a T there if they wanted to.
So you've seen a coach call an opposing player a, "fuc#ing pr!ck" 100 times before? I've only seen it once, and it was Jones two days ago.
I've played many sports, including basketball. I've also officiated several sports, including basketball.
A coordinated effort to commit a blatant foul, and try to get away with it, isn't atrocious in your mind? Did you study under the Cobra Kai...is sweeping the leg ok in your book?
Not at all. Atrocious would be 2 players in a coordinated effort to hurt Bohannon. That would be crossing the line. Trying to get under another players skin or get an opposing player to retaliate is not at all unusual. Throw in the fact that Bohannon is a FR PG. They were trying to get to the head of the beast. And I've seen as many as 4 players try to accomplish that during a game. Especially if a player has a rep for blowing up. You and many others are over-reacting to this. If your delicate sensibilities can't handle that little bit of gamesmanship, you should stay well far away from the inner city basketball courts. And most NBA games.
No. I haven't. That wasn't what I was talking about. And if an opposing coach is saying those things, that's easy to address after you get through the hand shake line. Why should our HC refuse to shake the hands of and congratulate the opposing players because of 1 assistant coach that had a big mouth???? What did they do to be treated like that? They went out and competed hard. I suppose that Fran will just refuse to shake hands with a team if there were too many unruly fans sitting behind the bench, saying crass things?
Give me a break! I'd hate to be stuck in a foxhole with a couple of delicate flowers like you and Fran. Probably have a better chance of survival if I just shot the two of you so I didn't have to worry about protecting you.
Someone just explain to me what the ND players did to warrant being embarrassed in front of a big crowd of people? What did they do to warrant a Frantrum that lead to them standing there, waiting to shake hands, while Fran took the players to the locker room?
You tell 'em Johnny! That is not getting into someones head (which is a perfectly fine strategy), that is committing a blatant foul. If you think that is a "bit of gamesmanship", then you really need to stay away from games.
It wasn't an assistant coach, it was The Head Coach; and it was perfectly visible on national tv. And if your head is so far in your arse, I'm not worried about you shooting anyone.
Then let the official call the foul! What does that have to do with the price of tea in China?? I know it's a foul! I'm not saying it's not a foul. Are you unaware that intentional fouls are committed in college basketball? In every game? I'm sorry if I came down hard on you but I assumed you knew that. I'm sorry if you didn't know that intentional fouls are committed.
Who cares? How does that make it OK to slight the ND players that fought hard and competed? It's a freaking immature thing to do to those players. Answer me: What did those players do to deserve being embarrassed by Fran like that?
So extrapolating this notion of an idea - it's ok to commit murder as long as the ref's(cough, I mean police), don't see it/can't find enough evidence? I'm pretty sure your priorities are in great shape (in my best Jeff Foxworthy voice: "you might be a sociopath...")
If you don't care, then why post this much? He refused to shake hands, he never told the players they couldn't. Obviously he didn't want them to, but it was their decision as well.
It's a dick move by an immature man. Why defend it? You suck it up and shake hands. Bite your lip til it bleeds, all the way through the line if you have to. But you do it because it's the right thing to do.
