Fran: "Dale made the decision a long time ago he wasn’t coming back"

[unoHawkeye]

I think you are right that Dale knew this was it before the season started but I think it was Fran's decision, not Dale's.

All I am saying is this:

* Fran said at the awards banquet that “Dale made the decision a long time ago he wasn’t coming back.”

* If Dale DID NOT have Iowa as a possible landing spot for his 6th year, why did he say after the Penn State game that “it’s not going to stop (with Senior Day), whether I come back here [to Iowa] or go somewhere else. I’m going to ride this out until the doctor tells me I can’t play anymore.”

Fran and Dale are saying the exact opposite things, agree? After the Penn state game, Dale still had Iowa as a potential landing spot. If he decided a long time ago (per Fran) he wasn't coming back to Iowa, why is he still talking about Iowa as a landing spot just a short while ago?

Anyone, other than the child (Dan), want to answer? It's just common sense. Something the child Dan does not have, obviously.

Because nothing had been officially announced yet, so Dale was probably advised not to openly say that he was gone. Another possibility is that Fran gave Dale the option to return to Iowa as a walk-on, and he was considering it. Regardless of whose decision it technically was for Jones not to come back (it was Dale's if Fran offered the walk-on option), it was known by all involved parties well in advance that there would be no available scholarship next year, and I strongly suspect that all involved parties have been working diligently since the announcement to find Jones a home for next year.

That said, I still don't see any problem with how the situation has been handled.

 

[DanL53]

Put your black and gold glasses down, stop acting like a child, and use some common sense.

I know that's a lot to ask of you, but can you try?

At least you quit typing stuff like Fakity Fakity Fake Fake

I guess you are making some progress towards acting like a grown up.

But then again, I have a feeling you will return to your childish behavior sooner rather than later.

"I have a feeling you will return to your childish behavior sooner rather than later." You are so right.

Fakity, fakity, fake, fake, flake.

1) Instead of Copying and pasting the entire Dale Jones quote, you edited it.
2) You then added your own sentence, including creating contrast between McCaffery's statement and Jones with, "However..."
3) And you even took the time to bold your own words!
4) Caught you changing words in the quote AGAIN later on in the thread!

Now you are thanking one poster, out of the seventeen that have responded, and saying, "finally, someone with some common sense!"



Might I remind you that RocknRollface's first response to the notion, the possibility, that Fran, not Dale Jones, decided Dale should move on was, and I suspect sarcasm, "Gasp."

And please note unoHawkeye's reasoned response, post #41.

Now let me offer some other scenarios that are no more right or wrong than the Malicious McCaffery Manipulation of Dale Jones life than your Dramatic Recreation portrayed in a method suitable to an Oliver Stone movie.

1) Jones made an off the cuff remark that can be taken to mean it doesn't matter to him where he plays (Would he have seen any time at Iowa?) he just wants to keep playing as long as the Docs will let him.

2) He was just responding to a question and didn't intend to have his answer dissected and analyzed beyond anything but that he'd like to keep playing if possible.

3) Could it be that if a couple of guys transferred Jones would have been able to stick around? But that McCaffery and Jones knew the likelihood, or not, of that happening and Jones had made the decision long ago to play somewhere else as opposed to walking on?

3B) Even presuming that we take your edited and recreated version of events to be completely accurate, does it not make sense that scenario #3 IS STILL a common sense interpretation of events? Jones says after the Penn State game, not knowing if an opening will come up, "Whether it is here or elsewhere.." (I paraphrase from memory.) AND I'M GIVING YOU THE BENEFIT OF THE DOUBT THAT MEANS HE STILL CONSIDERED THE POSSIBILITY THAT A SPOT WOULD OPEN UP FOR HIM...so after that statement and at a later date, McCaffery says Jones decided a long time ago...BECAUSE McCAFFERY THEN KNEW NO ONE WAS LEAVING!!! So Jones had made a decision long ago that walking on to Iowa wasn't going to happen?

You see, Fakity, fakity, fake, fake, I can make up guesswork just like you. And I believe it makes about as much sense...which is NONE. We don't know the whole story, but as you can clearly see, nobody cares! As someone mentioned Dale's mug was on the senior poster last fall! He participated in Senior Day! There was no possible way Jones was undercut or surprised by any of this!

And what bugs me, is your determination to try to paint this in some kind of Damn McCaffery fashion. Aren't you tired of the same old same old by now!? What did McCaffery ever do to you?

Do call me all the names you want, or hunt me down on other threads and try to provoke an argument. I don't care. As far as I'm concerned the way you go after the Iowa Coach trying to stir up trouble...you are just including me in some good company. Doesn't bother me a bit.

 

[DanL53]

A few more things. If Fran has this habit of chucking people out the door, why are there documented media interviews which show that McCaffery asked Christian Williams to be patient before committing anywhere else? Fran didn't offer until Dickerson announced he was transferring. That's one heck of a chance to take! Why not just offer, when you know you are going to Crean someone!?!? Unless Creaning doesn't go on at Iowa?

And then there is Connor McCaffery. You think he's going to walkon because there is nobody on the team we can do without? I got news, I love our Hawkeyes and I'm glad they are all staying but there are a few that right now I'm just hoping they can make themselves into some decent deep reserves.

And finally, one of the oft repeated comments we read about McCaffery is his loyalty to his players. Clemmons stuck around after a tough sophomore season, for a reason. We can still count guys who were McCaffery recruits that transferred on one hand, can't we? Ingram, Meyer, Dickerson, Hutton, Fleming? Am I missing anyone? That's seven seasons. Division One is up over two per team, per year, isn't it? So we're less than half that.

I don't get this reach, Franisdaman, to try to make a mountain out of less than a mole hill...plain, flat, ground!!! Nothing is going on! Dale got his two years, was clearly in knowledge that he was not receiving a scholarship for another year (unless possibly a couple guys left.) We have NO evidence to believe he was forced out or in fact who knows maybe Fran said stick around and walkon and Jones MADE THE DECISION long ago that that wasn't going to happen?

And frankly, I begin to believe you've got some personal grudge against McCaffery. Just basing this on your venom over my disagreement and points as to why I think you've presented a biased and false argument. It can't be my little attempts at humor which you call childish...everybody that reads on here for a month or even less knows I smart off on occasion with no ill intent. Heck, I do it to myself!

I don't get the vitriol and spin.

 

[hawk-i bob]

I dont know what Dale Jones meant after the PennState game. Maybe he was high on his start & 3 pointer ... but this doesnt sound like a player who was told to leave by Fran. It sounds like a player who could have a greater impact somewhere else considering his....medical history, who we have coming back & who we have coming in ... and he knows it.

“I’ve got a lot of basketball left,” Jones said. “(The coaches) have been nothing but great for me. The team has been nothing but great for me."

I hope Dale's injuries are a thing of the past for him & he can finish his college career on a high note.

 

[Franisdaman]

"I have a feeling you will return to your childish behavior sooner rather than later." You are so right.

Fakity, fakity, fake, fake, flake.

1) Instead of Copying and pasting the entire Dale Jones quote, you edited it.
2) You then added your own sentence, including creating contrast between McCaffery's statement and Jones with, "However..."
3) And you even took the time to bold your own words!
4) Caught you changing words in the quote AGAIN later on in the thread!

Now you are thanking one poster, out of the seventeen that have responded, and saying, "finally, someone with some common sense!"



Might I remind you that RocknRollface's first response to the notion, the possibility, that Fran, not Dale Jones, decided Dale should move on was, and I suspect sarcasm, "Gasp."

And please note unoHawkeye's reasoned response, post #41.

Now let me offer some other scenarios that are no more right or wrong than the Malicious McCaffery Manipulation of Dale Jones life than your Dramatic Recreation portrayed in a method suitable to an Oliver Stone movie.

1) Jones made an off the cuff remark that can be taken to mean it doesn't matter to him where he plays (Would he have seen any time at Iowa?) he just wants to keep playing as long as the Docs will let him.

2) He was just responding to a question and didn't intend to have his answer dissected and analyzed beyond anything but that he'd like to keep playing if possible.

3) Could it be that if a couple of guys transferred Jones would have been able to stick around? But that McCaffery and Jones knew the likelihood, or not, of that happening and Jones had made the decision long ago to play somewhere else as opposed to walking on?

3B) Even presuming that we take your edited and recreated version of events to be completely accurate, does it not make sense that scenario #3 IS STILL a common sense interpretation of events? Jones says after the Penn State game, not knowing if an opening will come up, "Whether it is here or elsewhere.." (I paraphrase from memory.) AND I'M GIVING YOU THE BENEFIT OF THE DOUBT THAT MEANS HE STILL CONSIDERED THE POSSIBILITY THAT A SPOT WOULD OPEN UP FOR HIM...so after that statement and at a later date, McCaffery says Jones decided a long time ago...BECAUSE McCAFFERY THEN KNEW NO ONE WAS LEAVING!!! So Jones had made a decision long ago that walking on to Iowa wasn't going to happen?

You see, Fakity, fakity, fake, fake, I can make up guesswork just like you. And I believe it makes about as much sense...which is NONE. We don't know the whole story, but as you can clearly see, nobody cares! As someone mentioned Dale's mug was on the senior poster last fall! He participated in Senior Day! There was no possible way Jones was undercut or surprised by any of this!

And what bugs me, is your determination to try to paint this in some kind of Damn McCaffery fashion. Aren't you tired of the same old same old by now!? What did McCaffery ever do to you?

Do call me all the names you want, or hunt me down on other threads and try to provoke an argument. I don't care. As far as I'm concerned the way you go after the Iowa Coach trying to stir up trouble...you are just including me in some good company. Doesn't bother me a bit.

Dan, I did not read your post and never will bother reading your posts again. You add nothing to any discussion.

You are a CLOWN.

I hope everybody else realizes this after reading your posts in this thread.

 

[Franisdaman]

A few more things. If Fran has this habit of chucking people out the door, why are there documented media interviews which show that McCaffery asked Christian Williams to be patient before committing anywhere else? Fran didn't offer until Dickerson announced he was transferring. That's one heck of a chance to take! Why not just offer, when you know you are going to Crean someone!?!? Unless Creaning doesn't go on at Iowa?

And then there is Connor McCaffery. You think he's going to walkon because there is nobody on the team we can do without? I got news, I love our Hawkeyes and I'm glad they are all staying but there are a few that right now I'm just hoping they can make themselves into some decent deep reserves.

And finally, one of the oft repeated comments we read about McCaffery is his loyalty to his players. Clemmons stuck around after a tough sophomore season, for a reason. We can still count guys who were McCaffery recruits that transferred on one hand, can't we? Ingram, Meyer, Dickerson, Hutton, Fleming? Am I missing anyone? That's seven seasons. Division One is up over two per team, per year, isn't it? So we're less than half that.

I don't get this reach, Franisdaman, to try to make a mountain out of less than a mole hill...plain, flat, ground!!! Nothing is going on! Dale got his two years, was clearly in knowledge that he was not receiving a scholarship for another year (unless possibly a couple guys left.) We have NO evidence to believe he was forced out or in fact who knows maybe Fran said stick around and walkon and Jones MADE THE DECISION long ago that that wasn't going to happen?

And frankly, I begin to believe you've got some personal grudge against McCaffery. Just basing this on your venom over my disagreement and points as to why I think you've presented a biased and false argument. It can't be my little attempts at humor which you call childish...everybody that reads on here for a month or even less knows I smart off on occasion with no ill intent. Heck, I do it to myself!

I don't get the vitriol and spin.

You had more garbage to type?

Hope it was worth your time because no one cares and NO ONE is reading.

You are a CLOWN and worth NO ONE'S time.

 

[hawksense]

I'm sensing a loose-glove slapped face, 10 paces in opposite directions and pistols. And powdered wigs.

 

[RocknRollface]

Cmon guys,this is silly.

Frans not a fairy god mother. This is the real world. Dale can graduate with a degree for his troubles.

You dont spend another year on a guy whos been injured for two already.

Im sure Fran made it clear well before hand to Dale that there was not a scholarship available for next year.

 

[IllQChawk]

After Nebraska was hit by 4 players leaving, maybe Fran will help Miles out and allow Dale to go there....is that even possible?

 

[DanL53]

Cmon guys,this is silly.

Frans not a fairy god mother. This is the real world. Dale can graduate with a degree for his troubles.

You dont spend another year on a guy whos been injured for two already.

Im sure Fran made it clear well before hand to Dale that there was not a scholarship available for next year.

It is silly. And I think it goes to show just how thick skinned a person like a college coach has to become. All it took was one azz like me playing amateur detective and pretending I knew another poster's motives, and it totally blew the amateur detective op out of his mind.

Now imagine the pressure that public scrutiny and demands to win, win, win, put on a college coach. Drives some to cheat. Drives some to leave. Drives some to become total (actually not putting a cuss word in for a change). Might have drove Lickliter to freeze up like a popsicle, at least to me it seemed like he was scared to make any moves at all.

We got us a coach that is winning. He's bringing in good kids. Even guys leaving, including Dale Jones, are talking him up as a great guy. He's so protective of his players that one concern fans have, that he blows up during games, comes when he feels like his players are getting ripped off. He is competitive, I've never heard him utter a word about settling and not expecting Big Ten Championships. And it seems like he wants to make Iowa his final destination as a coach.

How far back in Iowa history do we have to go to find a coach with those qualities?

So I turned this scrutiny around. And I quote myself. "I wasn't being as big an azz as I could be. But here it comes."

And I knew I'd feel bad about it later. And I do. Which is probably the biggest difference between Sherlock Basher and myself. I'm tempted to apologize, and have to keep reminding myself that all I did was turn the aluminum foil hat conspiracy thing around, like a mirror. All I did, was serve up a plate to the guy cooking it. My final comment to the op, and I'm finished is, "If the food stunk, don't blame the waiter, Chef."

 

[Ronman]

Jones will be 24 in December. If he has aspirations to make money playing the game of basketball and is healthy enough to do so, I would get on with it if it were me.

 

[Franisdaman]

Cmon guys,this is silly.

Frans not a fairy god mother. This is the real world. Dale can graduate with a degree for his troubles.

You dont spend another year on a guy whos been injured for two already.

Im sure Fran made it clear well before hand to Dale that there was not a scholarship available for next year.

And that has been my point the whole time. It was Fran's decision a long time ago, not Dale's.

Dan, the idiot, takes it to a different level and thinks I have something against Fran. Talk about making false accusations and assumptions.

I came across that Gazette article and when I read what Fran said vs what Dale said, it just didn't add up. Several posters, including you, agree.

Bottom line? After the final regular season game, Dale was quoted and he was still hopeful that Iowa was an option; Dale did not make the decision a long time ago he was not coming back. Fran made that decision and as a result, he signed Garza and Nunge and Connor is walking on.

 

[Franisdaman]

After Nebraska was hit by 4 players leaving, maybe Fran will help Miles out and allow Dale to go there....is that even possible?

yes; Dale is a grad transfer and is eligible immediately.

 

[hawk-i bob]

I was told last sunday that Dale Jones decided after his fracture hand in the fall he would more than likely not return for 2017-2018...that came from a current player to a relative.

my assumption is...that maybe Jones (based on the 6-8 weeks he was going to be out) ..didnt see much playing time for himself...especially & considering the number of players returning at his position.

I do not believe it was entirely Fran's decision.
I also do not recall seeing anything in the media where Fran said he would honor Dale with a 6th year medical on scholarship.
In the end (bottom line) it doesnt matter...I believe it is in Dale's best interest to transfer where he will have a better opportunity assuming his health holds up which I hope it does.

 

[Franisdaman]

I was told last sunday that Dale Jones decided after his fracture hand in the fall he would more than likely not return for 2017-2018...that came from a current player to a relative.

my assumption is...that maybe Jones (based on the 6-8 weeks he was going to be out) ..didnt see much playing time for himself...especially & considering the number of players returning at his position.

I do not believe it was entirely Fran's decision.
I also do not recall seeing anything in the media where Fran said he would honor Dale with a 6th year medical on scholarship.
In the end (bottom line) it doesnt matter...I believe it is in Dale's best interest to transfer where he will have a better opportunity assuming his health holds up which I hope it does.

All I am saying is this, when it comes to where Dale was "coming back:"

* Fran said at the awards banquet that “Dale made the decision a long time ago he wasn’t coming back.”

* If Dale DID NOT have Iowa as a possible landing spot for his 6th year, why did Dale say after the Penn State game that “it’s not going to stop (with Senior Day), whether I come back here [to Iowa] or go somewhere else. I’m going to ride this out until the doctor tells me I can’t play anymore.”

Fran and Dale are saying the exact opposite things, agree? After the Penn state game, Dale still had Iowa as a potential landing spot, which I found strange.. If he decided a long time ago (per Fran) he wasn't coming back to Iowa, why is he still talking about Iowa as a landing spot just a short while ago?

I think Fran made it clear to Dale that an Iowa scholarship was not available for a 6th year. With no scholarship money, I highly doubt walking on at Iowa is an option at this point. If an Iowa schollie had been offered, there is no question Dale is back next season.

 

[hawk-i bob]

All I am saying is this, when it comes to where Dale was "coming back:"

* Fran said at the awards banquet that “Dale made the decision a long time ago he wasn’t coming back.”

* If Dale DID NOT have Iowa as a possible landing spot for his 6th year, why did Dale say after the Penn State game that “it’s not going to stop (with Senior Day), whether I come back here [to Iowa] or go somewhere else. I’m going to ride this out until the doctor tells me I can’t play anymore.”

Fran and Dale are saying the exact opposite things, agree? After the Penn state game, Dale still had Iowa as a potential landing spot, which I found strange.. If he decided a long time ago (per Fran) he wasn't coming back to Iowa, why is he still talking about Iowa as a landing spot just a short while ago?

I think Fran made it clear to Dale that an Iowa scholarship was not available for a 6th year. With no scholarship money, I highly doubt walking on at Iowa is an option at this point. If an Iowa schollie had been offered, there is no question Dale is back next season.

you have a right to your opinion based on what you have read from Fran & Dale from relatively recent comments...course we all know that comments can have variable meanings. So lets turn it around ...IF as you suggest Fran made it clear to Dale that an Iowa scholarship was not available for a 6th year...then why did Dale say several months later...whether I come back here [to Iowa] or go somewhere else. Seems to me if as you say Fran told Dale its a no go....why would Dale think there was?...after the Penn State game. Isn't Dale saying the complete opposite of what you say Fran told him?

I dont have an opinion of who said what or when..cause I dont care...I do believe that it is best for Dale (if he wants to physically try to play another year) to transfer ..based on what we have coming back & what we have coming in...

I do know that after his fractured wrist & with the knowledge he was going to be out several weeks...he did mention to at least one teammate he most likely wasnt coming back.

I have no reason to believe that Fran & Dale did not discuss his future on several occasions.
I have no reason to believe if Dale was offered to come back under scholarship...that he would have accepted. Dale wants to play...with what we have coming in & coming back...it wouldn't have been a sure thing when it comes to playing time.

 

[HoustonREDHawk]

Jones will be 24 in December. If he has aspirations to make money playing the game of basketball and is healthy enough to do so, I would get on with it if it were me.

This sums up Jones' situation pretty well. I didn't read most of this thread, but I hope the personal animosity doesn't spread to future topics.

 

[Franisdaman]

you have a right to your opinion based on what you have read from Fran & Dale from relatively recent comments...course we all know that comments can have variable meanings. So lets turn it around ...IF as you suggest Fran made it clear to Dale that an Iowa scholarship was not available for a 6th year...then why did Dale say several months later...whether I come back here [to Iowa] or go somewhere else. Seems to me if as you say Fran told Dale its a no go....why would Dale think there was?...after the Penn State game. Isn't Dale saying the complete opposite of what you say Fran told him?

I dont have an opinion of who said what or when..cause I dont care...I do believe that it is best for Dale (if he wants to physically try to play another year) to transfer ..based on what we have coming back & what we have coming in...

I do know that after his fractured wrist & with the knowledge he was going to be out several weeks...he did mention to at least one teammate he most likely wasnt coming back.

I have no reason to believe that Fran & Dale did not discuss his future on several occasions.
I have no reason to believe if Dale was offered to come back under scholarship...that he would have accepted. Dale wants to play...with what we have coming in & coming back...it wouldn't have been a sure thing when it comes to playing time.

That is why it's so damn confusing. Fran said Dale ruled Iowa out a long time ago; Dale said recently that Iowa was still an option. But if Fran said a schollie was not available, I don't see Dale walking on as an option. I wish the reporter would have followed up on this and asked "what were Dale's reasons for not wanting to come back to Iowa for a 6th year Because a scholarship would not be available?"

For the record, i tweet Leistikow and Dochterman on occasion, and they both are great about replying. I tweeted them and asked them their opinion on this and neither got back to me. I don't think they want to touch this with a 10 foot poll.

 

[hawk-i bob]

That is why it's so damn confusing. Fran said Dale ruled Iowa out a long time ago; Dale said recently that Iowa was still an option. But if Fran said a schollie was not available, I don't see Dale walking on as an option. I wish the reporter would have followed up on this and asked "what were Dale's reasons for not wanting to come back to Iowa for a 6th year Because a scholarship would not be available?"

For the record, i tweet Leistikow and Dochterman on occasion, and they both are great about replying. I tweeted them and asked them their opinion on this and neither got back to me. I don't think they want to touch this with a 10 foot poll.

I have grandsons who play golf in college...young people can be confusing...at my age I'm not. At least not yet. I totally believe the teammate who said Dale had expressed once he broke his wrist that he would not be returning in 2018....could be that he & Fran had talked...that I don't know.

There is no conspiracy here.
Maybe Fran told Dale he would not be on scholarship..maybe he didn't.
Maybe Dale didnt listen rolleyes...to say what he said after Senior Night.
I don't know ...does it really matter?

Bottom line...Dale's injuries ruined any chance for him to play at Iowa. Once he was healthy (later in the year) he was facing a huge task considering the players on the roster. The good news for Dale is he has a chance to finish on the court at North Dakota instead of the possibility of sitting on Iowa's bench - considering the front line players we have coming back & the ones coming in.

Win win in my book...the who said what & when is meaningless at this point.

 

[Titanhawk2]

Jones going to play for Jones and North Dakota. They must have shaken hands after the game.

 

[MagicCoach]

Recruiting, keeping guys in the program, & continually building the program is a slippery slope. Parents, kids, coaches, administrators all have different visions for kids. Things are always going to happen, some for the good, some for the bad!

 

[Franisdaman]

I have grandsons who play golf in college...young people can be confusing...at my age I'm not. At least not yet. I totally believe the teammate who said Dale had expressed once he broke his wrist that he would not be returning in 2018....could be that he & Fran had talked...that I don't know.

There is no conspiracy here.
Maybe Fran told Dale he would not be on scholarship..maybe he didn't.
Maybe Dale didnt listen rolleyes...to say what he said after Senior Night.
I don't know ...does it really matter?

Bottom line...Dale's injuries ruined any chance for him to play at Iowa. Once he was healthy (later in the year) he was facing a huge task considering the players on the roster. The good news for Dale is he has a chance to finish on the court at North Dakota instead of the possibility of sitting on Iowa's bench - considering the front line players we have coming back & the ones coming in.

Win win in my book...the who said what & when is meaningless at this point.

I am sure Fran and Dale were on the same page; however, it did not appear that way based on both of their quotes.

I agree, there is no conspiracy; I just wish they were both saying the same thing. If Dale decided a long time ago he was not coming back to Iowa for his 6th year, after the Penn state game Dale should have been talking about next year, somewhere else, and should not have even bought up Iowa as an option.

 

[milehighhawkeye24]

Dan, I did not read your post and never will bother reading your posts again. You add nothing to any discussion.

You are a CLOWN.

I hope everybody else realizes this after reading your posts in this thread.

Classic case of a pot calling a kettle black.....your whole argument is pointless and you have posted like 400 times on this thread

 

[hawk-i bob]

I am sure Fran and Dale were on the same page; however, it did not appear that way based on both of their quotes.

I agree, there is no conspiracy; I just wish they were both saying the same thing. If Dale decided a long time ago he was not coming back to Iowa for his 6th year, after the Penn state game Dale should have been talking about next year, somewhere else, and should not have even bought up Iowa as an option.

who cares what Dale said after Penn State
who care what Fran said at the banquet
really....who cares.

 

[JerryDennard]

The easy answer here is that Fran told Dale after his injury that unless there were a number of spots opening up due to transfers, ineligibility, or injuries, this year would be his last because all spots were taken. If there was a mass exodus, maybe he would have a spot. That was the state of things immediately after Penn State. By the time of the banquet, there were no transfers or other open spots.

 

[ZumaHawk]

The easy answer here is that Fran told Dale after his injury that unless there were a number of spots opening up due to transfers, ineligibility, or injuries, this year would be his last because all spots were taken. If there was a mass exodus, maybe he would have a spot. That was the state of things immediately after Penn State. By the time of the banquet, there were no transfers or other open spots.

This makes perfect sense to me. Not that difficult now is it?

 

[Franisdaman]

The easy answer here is that Fran told Dale after his injury that unless there were a number of spots opening up due to transfers, ineligibility, or injuries, this year would be his last because all spots were taken. If there was a mass exodus, maybe he would have a spot. That was the state of things immediately after Penn State. By the time of the banquet, there were no transfers or other open spots.

Well, fine. Then I wish Fran would have said that Fran decided a long time ago that Dale was not coming back (unless there were transfers, where an opening would arise).

Sorry, but the head coach saying one thing and the player saying something totally different was very apparent, and I wish that was not the case.

I am not trying to spin anything; it just seems weird that our head coach is saying one thing at the banquet and just a few weeks prior the player was saying something totally opposite.

 

[hawk-i bob]

 

[kceasthawk]

just read the article. You don't know what Dale had; I don't know, either. All I know is what was confirmed by a reporter from the Gazette. As you will read, it was not until April 9 that everything was confirmed.

The opening of the article was this:

Apr 9, 2017 at 6:26 pm
IOWA CITY — While it was expected after he went through Senior Day activities, it was confirmed Sunday that Iowa forward Dale Jones will not be returning to the Iowa men’s basketball team for his final year of eligibility.

While that is what the reporter said, and Jones was granted a 6th year of eligibility, he had never been offered a scholorship from Iowa for that 6th year. I believe thats the main point here.

 

[Phenomenally Frantastic]

Well, fine. Then I wish Fran would have said that Fran decided a long time ago that Dale was not coming back (unless there were transfers, where an opening would arise).

Sorry, but the head coach saying one thing and the player saying something totally different was very apparent, and I wish that was not the case.

I am not trying to spin anything; it just seems weird that our head coach is saying one thing at the banquet and just a few weeks prior the player was saying something totally opposite.

so your conclusion was to obssess about the implications on an anonymous message board and get into arguments about your ignorance based interpretation?

brilliant

 

[Hawk_4shur]

So, here are the scenarios:

1. Jones decided to leave a long time ago, but didn't want to slam the door in the face of Iowa in an interview.

2. Fran told him that there was no room in the rotation next year and did not offer him a scholy.

3. Jones wanted to return to Iowa, but Fran told him after the interview that he would not have a scholarship, and would not play.

I suppose there are many other scenarios in between.

I'm ok with all of them. Jones gets a chance to continue his basketball career while actually playing basketball. Iowa frees up his scholarship to continue to build the program. Iowa has more than fulfilled it's obligation to Jones.

 

[hawk-i bob]

So, here are the scenarios:

1. Jones decided to leave a long time ago, but didn't want to slam the door in the face of Iowa in an interview.

2. Fran told him that there was no room in the rotation next year and did not offer him a scholy.

3. Jones wanted to return to Iowa, but Fran told him after the interview that he would not have a scholarship, and would not play.

I suppose there are many other scenarios in between.

I'm ok with all of them. Jones gets a chance to continue his basketball career while actually playing basketball. Iowa frees up his scholarship to continue to build the program. Iowa has more than fulfilled it's obligation to Jones.

dont know about 1 2 & 3 ...but your last statement is spot on. For Dale...he now has a chance to play or a better chance anyway. We all hope he has a super year at ND. While saddled with injuries he was a good teammate and more importantly he leaves Iowa with a diploma.

Not bad not bad at all.

 

[Hawk_4shur]

dont know about 1 2 & 3 ...but your last statement is spot on. For Dale...he now has a chance to play or a better chance anyway. We all hope he has a super year at ND. While saddled with injuries he was a good teammate and more importantly he leaves Iowa with a diploma.

Not bad not bad at all.

 

[Franisdaman]

While that is what the reporter said, and Jones was granted a 6th year of eligibility, he had never been offered a scholorship from Iowa for that 6th year. I believe thats the main point here.

Well, that's the thing; no one knew if Fran offered Dale anything; nothing was really confirmed until the end of season banquet (by the Land of 10 reporter and this Gazette reporter). All we knew is Dale had a 6th year, thanks to Fran's help, and that Dale, after the Penn State game, still was talking about Iowa as an option; so why did Fran say Dale made the decision a long time ago he wasn't coming back to Iowa, when coming back to Iowa was still an option Dale was considering after the Penn State game? And that's the point; the player and the coach were not on the same page and were saying the exact opposite things.

I agree in that there was not a scholarship offered to Dale for the 6th year; it was Fran's decision that Dale ended up not coming back to Iowa.

 

[DanL53]

Well, that's the thing; no one knew if Fran offered Dale anything; nothing was really confirmed until the end of season banquet (by the Land of 10 reporter and this Gazette reporter). All we knew is Dale had a 6th year, thanks to Fran's help, and that Dale, after the Penn State game, still was talking about Iowa as an option; so why did Fran say Dale made the decision a long time ago he wasn't coming back to Iowa, when coming back to Iowa was still an option Dale was considering after the Penn State game? And that's the point; the player and the coach were not on the same page and were saying the exact opposite things.

I agree in that there was not a scholarship offered to Dale for the 6th year; it was Fran's decision that Dale ended up not coming back to Iowa.

What about the walk-on scenario? We don't know that Dale couldn't have walked on. Which means we don't know, or have any reason to disbelieve McCaffery, that Dale made the decision a long time ago to not come back.

The scholarship would have been an issue only IF somebody transferred, and we've all known that since the start of the season.

I repeat. We've all known since last summer that there would not be a scholarship for Jones unless we had transfers.

Now, just like Kyle Denning and Stokes, it was always possible that we'd end up with an open spot, or two...considering there is still the Connor question. But LIKE Denning and Stokes perhaps THAT'S what Jones was talking about when he said, "Whether I come back or not...".

 

[unoHawkeye]

So, here are the scenarios:

1. Jones decided to leave a long time ago, but didn't want to slam the door in the face of Iowa in an interview.

2. Fran told him that there was no room in the rotation next year and did not offer him a scholy.

3. Jones wanted to return to Iowa, but Fran told him after the interview that he would not have a scholarship, and would not play.

I suppose there are many other scenarios in between.

I'm ok with all of them. Jones gets a chance to continue his basketball career while actually playing basketball. Iowa frees up his scholarship to continue to build the program. Iowa has more than fulfilled it's obligation to Jones.

You forgot about the apparent and unfortunate scenario where Jones is an absolute dumbass who is totally unaware of the scholarship situation at Iowa. Then at the end of the season, Fran said "Surprise! No more scholarship for you!" pulling it, and then kicking Dale to the curb.

 

[DanL53]

You forgot about the apparent and unfortunate scenario where Jones is an absolute dumbass who is totally unaware of the scholarship situation at Iowa. Then at the end of the season, Fran said "Surprise! No more scholarship for you!" pulling it, and then kicking Dale to the curb.

Yes, that's called the "Pick a card" scenario. At the beginning of the season Fran had Dale pick a card, any card. And at the end of the year they flipped it over and it said, "By picking this card you have decided to not play at Iowa."

No wait! They had a Tribal Council and it turned out Dale's Immunity Idol was a fake! Fran made it from seashells and vines and hid it, then Dale found it and this whole time he thought he was safe!

Or! They were hungry and decided to have this game where only one gets to live.

Nah, Fran's old school. At the Award's Banquet they had a game of Musical Chairs!

 

[kceasthawk]

Well, that's the thing; no one knew if Fran offered Dale anything; nothing was really confirmed until the end of season banquet (by the Land of 10 reporter and this Gazette reporter). All we knew is Dale had a 6th year, thanks to Fran's help, and that Dale, after the Penn State game, still was talking about Iowa as an option; so why did Fran say Dale made the decision a long time ago he wasn't coming back to Iowa, when coming back to Iowa was still an option Dale was considering after the Penn State game? And that's the point; the player and the coach were not on the same page and were saying the exact opposite things.

I agree in that there was not a scholarship offered to Dale for the 6th year; it was Fran's decision that Dale ended up not coming back to Iowa.

Yes, that's called the "Pick a card" scenario. At the beginning of the season Fran had Dale pick a card, any card. And at the end of the year they flipped it over and it said, "By picking this card you have decided to not play at Iowa."

No wait! They had a Tribal Council and it turned out Dale's Immunity Idol was a fake! Fran made it from seashells and vines and hid it, then Dale found it and this whole time he thought he was safe!

Or! They were hungry and decided to have this game where only one gets to live.

Nah, Fran's old school. At the Award's Banquet they had a game of Musical Chairs!

Damn, I guess the music ran out and Dale was still standing. Probably that bad knee slowed him down......

 

[hawk-i bob]

One thing for sure...Fran doesnt owe anyone who post on HR an explaination as to what he says to any player in his program and vice versa (player to Fran)...

 

[Hawk_4shur]

You forgot about the apparent and unfortunate scenario where Jones is an absolute dumbass who is totally unaware of the scholarship situation at Iowa. Then at the end of the season, Fran said "Surprise! No more scholarship for you!" pulling it, and then kicking Dale to the curb.

Actually, that was scenario #3. It just isn't as colorful as you described.