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Fran has more than proven he can`t get it done here.

Sometimes it blows my mind what people see. Connor ranks towards the top of the conference In both assist rate and assist to turnover ratio. It is pretty much exactly what you need out of a freshman back up point guard.

Don’t go bringing facts into this nonsense.

Connor only ranks 3rd in the conference in Assists per 40 min and 3rd in the conference in a/to ration. “Alway has turnovers...” sounds about right though. You can’t make this crap up.
 
Sometimes it blows my mind what people see. Connor ranks towards the top of the conference In both assist rate and assist to turnover ratio. It is pretty much exactly what you need out of a freshman back up point guard.
I posted a positive comment about Conner early in the season, saying he will surprise some people, and I got attacked. I guess they’re forgetting that Conner made the pass on the two last-second-shot wins we had a couple of weeks ago.

If Conner gets his confidence back in his shot, he’ll be a great player for us. I can’t believe people are comparing him to Little Lick. That’s just stupid.
 
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I posted a positive comment about Conner early in the season, saying he will surprise some people, and I got attacked. I guess they’re forgetting that Conner made the pass on the two last-second-shot wins we had a couple of weeks ago.

If Conner gets his confidence back in his shot, he’ll be a great player for us. I can’t believe people are comparing him to Little Lick. That’s just stupid.

Yet, completely expected from our fans
 
Well Conner does none of that. Get's our team into an offense??? Really? Average ball handler at best and always has turnovers from bad passes. You must be watching a different game. I value backup point guards as well. We don't have any. Not to mention he is no where near quick enough to guard a point guard.

This is nonsense. He’s not great but he’s fine for a Freshman back-up PG. Yes, he needs to improve his shooting but in general, he is a good passer and feeds the post better then most on the team. He’s not a great defender but he’s not terrible. He takes care is the ball pretty well fir the most part. Also, he has used his size at PG to get to the rim and score or get to the FT line. To put in perspective, he has 25 more FT attempts than the starting SG. If you think he has TO’s from bad passes I’d love to hear what you think of Moss and Cook.
 
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I'm sure Fran's dream was for Connor to be starting PG, but Connor needs to shoot the 3ball better than he does to be starting material for a Big10 team. Patrick might end up a tweener---not strong enough to play 4 and not quick enough to defend the 3. Sure you can go big and slow at the 3 position if you zone, but Zone defense is junk...you can't rely on it unless you staff it with ultra long athletes like Syracuse.
Connor will be good enough to leave the kind of mark Kevin Boyle did on the program 4 decades ago. He may not become a big scorer, but he knows how to find the right guys under or around the basket. Kevin B was like a coach on the court, and that’s what Connor will be. I don’t know much about Patrick, but if you think his weight is going to be a problem, you don’t watch enough basketball, and don’t follow player development. People used to say the same about Less Jepsen!
 
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Fran would need to get to the second round of the tournament to shut down the skeptics. One of whom is me.
 
Sometimes it blows my mind what people see. Connor ranks towards the top of the conference In both assist rate and assist to turnover ratio. It is pretty much exactly what you need out of a freshman back up point guard.

I appreciate the occasional post that actually refers to facts instead of pure vitriolic sentiment.

Objectively, Connor passes well, and he gets his teammates involved more than he turns the ball over. Good qualities in a backup pg. Connor averages 3 ast, 1.2 TO, and 4.6 pts. Anthony Clemmons averaged 2.8 ast, 1.7 TO, and 4.3 pts his freshman year.

Connor is about the same as Clemmons, probably better offensively. I'll take that.
 
One interesting thing I've seen is the level of "investment" (or perhaps commitment) that Iowa makes towards Basketball is lower than other B1G schools. I want to say it is around 10th or 11th in the conference. I'm not sure how that is compiled or if the schools with newer arenas / facilities of late will automatically rank higher...

Fran is probably not the guy for much longer and I think we're all realizing it. Can't really fire a coach that's putting us in the tourney, but at the same time you're totally right that he's not going to suddenly make a charge to the top of the conference anytime soon.

I think Barta's got to go first... then after that, a new AD could really inject some life into this program by hiring a new coach and announcing plans for a new basketball arena. Ideally around 11,000 or so, strictly for basketball, seats "on top" of the court (like Kinnick), and loud as hell.

Hopefully it goes a little better than the last time we got rid of our AD and the new guy brought in his own coach.
 
Hopefully it goes a little better than the last time we got rid of our AD and the new guy brought in his own coach.

Obviously no guarantees, but the one thing that's clear is this program isn't going to suddenly start competing for B1G championships as it stands today. We could argue about the reasons why and we could argue if it is even realistic to expect that from a program like Iowa. But I've always said if they can do it in Madison, we can do it in Iowa City.

The thing that bothers me the most is Fran doesn't seem to have the right players to make his "philosophy" work. He's trying to ram a square peg into a round hole, and it isn't the best thing he could be doing with his team. I'd prefer to see a slower pace, more methodical offense, and an EXTREME focus on the fundamentals and playing D.
 
Good post. I know the Franatics will say we are beating a dead horse but I agree that the pieces do not match the style. I read an article about Wichita State recruiting and (paraphrasing) it said "Coach Marshall is happy with the players who have verbally committed but plans to look at the juco / grad transfer market in anticipation of someone leaving the program and to provide some experience at the guard spot". IMO this is where Fran's head needs to be and there needs to be some action. Whether it is at 1 or 2 Iowa is lacking a play maker. While not the answer it would be a step in the right direction.
 
Obviously no guarantees, but the one thing that's clear is this program isn't going to suddenly start competing for B1G championships as it stands today. We could argue about the reasons why and we could argue if it is even realistic to expect that from a program like Iowa. But I've always said if they can do it in Madison, we can do it in Iowa City.

The thing that bothers me the most is Fran doesn't seem to have the right players to make his "philosophy" work. He's trying to ram a square peg into a round hole, and it isn't the best thing he could be doing with his team. I'd prefer to see a slower pace, more methodical offense, and an EXTREME focus on the fundamentals and playing D.

You must have wanted to keep Lick.
 
To those who claim we are not Duke or NC, etc. That is true, but from 1979 to 2010 or 11, we made the NCAA 19 times. That is almost 60%. So we DO have a history of going the the tourney. Frans record is not good in that regards AND as fans we have the right to expect getting there over half the time, given our history. You can't use the excuse that it is hard to recruit because of our weather, tiny town in the midwest, etc.
 
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To those who claim we are not Duke or NC, etc. That is true, but from 1979 to 2010 or 11, we made the NCAA 19 times. That is almost 60%. So we DO have a history of going the the tourney. Frans record is not good in that regards AND as fans we have the right to expect getting there over half the time, given our history. You can't use the excuse that it is hard to recruit because of our weather, tiny town in the midwest, etc.

If we’re just picking and choosing years here, Fran’s record is that good. Iowa has gone to the NCAAs three times in the last five years. What do you mean Fran’s record is not good in that regard? If Iowa goes this season, which seems highly probable, Iowa will have gone to the tournament 66% of the time in the last six years.

Is that acceptable for you? Either way, Iowa is/was nowhere near thought of in the same sentence as Duke or UNC.
 
My point is that you are looking to bitch without putting any actually thought into it.

Connors stats, other than his outside shooting %, are right where I expected him to be so not sure what you are talking about. A high assist rate player who gets to the line.

To be clear I am not trying to be a jerk in this discussion. I am legitimately curious how you can link Fran's awful recruiting to out of state kids and insinuate that those kids were the issue not Fran's recruiting.

If Connor's offense is right where you expected then we differ greatly on expectations for a top whatever recruit he was especially given the needs of this team.
 
Anyone who has eyes and has any experience in watching or playing basketball and has watched Iowa games knows exactly the problem with Connor. He is not a true point guard. His assist to turnover ratio for the most part is a happy accident. He is not a good ball handler and lacks quickness to get an advantage dribble-driving the basketball. He compounds the problem by also not being a good shooter (in fact he is an absymal shooter). He doubles down on his deficiencies by not being a good defender either. There is little to no value for him being on the court.

Fortunately for him, our other guards are all in the same boat right now, with Moss adding the cherry on top of the shit sundae by being careless with the basketball. Ultimately Fran has not recruited a point guard worth a crap in an entire recruiting cycle of 4!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! years! I simply can’t support this kind of ineptitude.
 
Anyone who has eyes and has any experience in watching or playing basketball and has watched Iowa games knows exactly the problem with Connor. He is not a true point guard. His assist to turnover ratio for the most part is a happy accident. He is not a good ball handler and lacks quickness to get an advantage dribble-driving the basketball. He compounds the problem by also not being a good shooter (in fact he is an absymal shooter). He doubles down on his deficiencies by not being a good defender either. There is little to no value for him being on the court.

Fortunately for him, our other guards are all in the same boat right now, with Moss adding the cherry on top of the shit sundae by being careless with the basketball. Ultimately Fran has not recruited a point guard worth a crap in an entire recruiting cycle of 4!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! years! I simply can’t support this kind of ineptitude.

Nailed it. You get my vote for post of the night.
 
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I am back, baby!

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Fran...take you and your son out of town. What an embarrassment. Your coaching stinks. Connor stinks. Assistants stink. Bye
 
This team didn’t even compete tonight. Spanking a horrible Illinois team doesn’t mean much. Tonight was terrible.
I'm not saying there's any excuse to not compete at any point in a game, but when you do things right and still can't score that gets really demoralizing. I feel like Iowa definitely came out fighting, but there comes a point where it's hard to battle when you can't hit a single shot.
 
It sure is. Lets fire the guy who is in charge of that.. Right?

Absolutely. Fran is a good coach, but he hasn't been able to construct a proper roster for his style.

Got burned with some really bad classes, then he went too big, and now he's not going to get great guards while Connor is on the roster. Unbalanced classes is also a huge issue since he started.

Edit: I've also been concerned about Connor and Patrick for the last few years. Highly rated coaches kids. If that turns out poorly, the fans will get ugly/disinterested real quick. Recruiting against Fran has to be so damn easy whether it's his tantrums, bad location, weather, his kids playing time, lack of success as a program last 20 years.

His style? You mean recruiting tall, skinny, non athletic kids that don't play D isn't his style?
 
Straw that broke the camel's back. Fran needs to go.

His motion offense is pathetic. Against athletic teams it becomes a bogged down one on one disaster.
I'm looking for major changes to occur after Iowa's next loss. Whether Fran go's or not, Speraw, Dillard, Cook, Dailey, Moss, and anyone else that feels that defense is an option, needs to assess their future at Iowa and either go all in or leave the program.
If nothing changes, Iowa will be the same shit team come next year, only with a few different additions and a year older.
21 and 6 rated in the top 25 and finish the season 1 out of 6 and the Fran apologist wonder why everyone has their hair on fire. Why because this is how every season under Fran turns out when they have a promising beginning followed by a typical collapse.
 
As someone who has watched Iowa Basketball since the mid 70's, I think the large portion of Iowa's base is indifferent and not too worked up and fine at the 22-11 level generally. The base is smaller than it was 20 and certainly 30 years ago. There is a passionate core, several of them here, but overall there isn't a large base

This may seem hard to believe now, but they once filled Carver for teams like Army or UNO. I can remember the passion of the late Field House era. Nothing like that now.
 
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In over 50 years, starting with Ralph Miller, the Hawks are 470-458 in B1G play for a 51.8% winning rate. Fran is 78-82, 48.8%. Iowa has finished 1st or 2nd (including ties) only 7 times. Three B1G championships, the last being 40 years ago. Sprinkle in 6 Sweet 16's or better.

That's Iowa basketball.

I have no problem getting another coach - might as well give someone else a try. But I seriously doubt the results will be much different, with equal chance of getting better or getting worse.

This post makes me super sad... only for the fact that I'm also a lifelong Cincinnati Bengals fan, and for so long I had this dream of excellence eventually happening.

Then statistics hit me in the face and I'm confronted with an inevitability of mediocrity.

Goddammit.
 
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