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I know many fans want him fired. I never root for anyone to lose their job, but at the same time I would not be upset if he were to move on.

But I don’t see it happening.

I can see the Hawks ending up with 20+ wins this season when all is said and done. You don’t fire a coach for that.

He just bought a bigger house, and he’s been recruiting up a storm. The emotion he showed after the game proves he is still invested in the job and the team. Jack will probably redshirt next year wherever he’s at (if Matta is gone he could end up somewhere other than Butler) so there will be no need to go to those games. He’s not stepping down.

I think he will be pushing to get that Sweet 16 appearance before retiring in 1-2 years.

So….don’t get your hopes up. Fran will be here for the foreseeable future. At least, that’s what I think.
 
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I know many fans want him fired. I never root for anyone to lose their job, but at the same time I would not be upset if he were to move on.

But I don’t see it happening.

I can see the Hawks ending up with 20+ wins this season when all is said and done. You don’t fire a coach for that.

He just bought a bigger house, and he’s been recruiting up a storm. The emotion he showed after the game proves he is still invested in the job and the team. Jack will probably redshirt next year wherever he’s at (if Matta is gone he could end up somewhere other than Butler) so there will be no need to go to those games. He’s not stepping down.

I think he will be pushing to get that Sweet 16 appearance before retiring in 1-2 years.

So….don’t get your hopes up. Fran will be here for the foreseeable future. At least, that’s what I think.
How do you see them getting to 20+ wins? There is 7 regular season games left.
 
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I know many fans want him fired. I never root for anyone to lose their job, but at the same time I would not be upset if he were to move on.

But I don’t see it happening.

I can see the Hawks ending up with 20+ wins this season when all is said and done. You don’t fire a coach for that.

He just bought a bigger house, and he’s been recruiting up a storm. The emotion he showed after the game proves he is still invested in the job and the team. Jack will probably redshirt next year wherever he’s at (if Matta is gone he could end up somewhere other than Butler) so there will be no need to go to those games. He’s not stepping down.

I think he will be pushing to get that Sweet 16 appearance before retiring in 1-2 years.

So….don’t get your hopes up. Fran will be here for the foreseeable future. At least, that’s what I think.
I've said before that I could see him getting a stay of execution for a season.

Just depends on how they finish this season out and how that's perceived by the athletic department/Goetz.

Our fans need to remember that at a certain point, success outweighs how little of a sh** the fans give about a coach/sport. Lack of ticket sales has a threshold, despite popular belief that if fans just disappeared that thr school would make a change without hesitation...........................
 
I think the worst thing that could happen for the program's present and near future is to bring McCaffery back, no matter how the season ends.

If they somehow pull out a couple more wins, get to BTT Saturday, and then miraculously sneak in to the Big Dance as one of the last 4 in - it will have changed nothing and will not change anything next year.

The Hawks will still be D-ficient and will get outrebounded by similar or better teams, as well as surrender a lot of 2nd chance points off those rebounds given up.


Fran McCaffery is what he is as a coach and that is. not. changing. 15-16 years is 10+ years more than needed to figure that out.
 
How do you see them getting to 20+ wins? There is 7 regular season games left.
I’m counting potential Big 10 tournament and postseason tournament wins along with the rest of the conference wins they should get. They only need 6 total among all those to reach 20. Highly doable.
 
I know many fans want him fired. I never root for anyone to lose their job, but at the same time I would not be upset if he were to move on.

But I don’t see it happening.

I can see the Hawks ending up with 20+ wins this season when all is said and done. You don’t fire a coach for that.

He just bought a bigger house, and he’s been recruiting up a storm. The emotion he showed after the game proves he is still invested in the job and the team. Jack will probably redshirt next year wherever he’s at (if Matta is gone he could end up somewhere other than Butler) so there will be no need to go to those games. He’s not stepping down.

I think he will be pushing to get that Sweet 16 appearance before retiring in 1-2 years.

So….don’t get your hopes up. Fran will be here for the foreseeable future. At least, that’s what I think.
Given Iowa’s commitment to mediocrity and a large chunk of the fan base’s celebration of it, I have no doubt Fran will be at Iowa as long as he wants to be.
 
Getting to even 18 wins will be incredibly improbable

Not sure whose ass we’re pulling 6 w’s out of
I am also counting potential BTT and post season tourney wins, not just regular season. 6 more overall is HIGHLY doable.
 
He just bought a bigger house
about the house... i don't now IC well enough to know the travel routes, but was the site of jack's accident on the route fran would have to take to get to work every day from his old house? maybe he sold it and bought this new one so he wouldn't have to drive by that spot every day?

of course, i have no idea where neither his old or new house are, so geographically, it may be a moot point. but it could be a factor?
 
I know many fans want him fired. I never root for anyone to lose their job, but at the same time I would not be upset if he were to move on.

But I don’t see it happening.

I can see the Hawks ending up with 20+ wins this season when all is said and done. You don’t fire a coach for that.

He just bought a bigger house, and he’s been recruiting up a storm. The emotion he showed after the game proves he is still invested in the job and the team. Jack will probably redshirt next year wherever he’s at (if Matta is gone he could end up somewhere other than Butler) so there will be no need to go to those games. He’s not stepping down.

I think he will be pushing to get that Sweet 16 appearance before retiring in 1-2 years.

So….don’t get your hopes up. Fran will be here for the foreseeable future. At least, that’s what I think.
Iowa has 14 wins. Which 6 of these games do you think Iowa is winning? They might steal a couple of these if they keep fighting like they've been... But you're nuts if you think this team is getting to 20 wins without the help of some kind of Big 10 tournament/postseason run.

That said, I don't necessarily have confidence that Fran will be replaced regardless, so I don't disagree on that aspect of your post. That's just me being pessimistic with the university's commitment to expecting more from this program. Hope I'm wrong. I've said before, this is probably partly Gary Barta PTSD.

 
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As I've said before, I think it all comes down to the contract.

One thing to remember is that college coaching contracts really aren't the same thing as professional athletes' contracts. For pro athletes, if a guy has a 5-year contract, he's going to be playing for five years. People think college coaching contracts work the same way, but most of the time they don't. College coaches are always switching jobs, getting fired, or retiring, regardless of the number of years left on their contract. Just one example ... Nick Saban had 6 years left on his contract when he retired at Alabama -- he walked away from more than $70 million by retiring when he did. But that's the way it works with college coaching contracts. They are more about a school's symbolic commitment to a coach (or a coach's symbolic committment to a school), rather than an actual measurement of how long you expect the individual to keep coaching.

The other big factor that affects college coaching contracts is recruiting. Generally speaking, you want your coaches to be able to walk into a recruit's living room and be able to give them some assurance that they will still be the coach for the entirety of the prospect's college career. So the rule of thumb is that you always want your coach to be under contract for at least 4-5 years from the present date.

So, back to Fran. Right now, he is under contract through the 2027-28 season. That's only three more seasons. And that's a problem for recruiting. 2025 recruiting is basically wrapped up at this point, so the class we are mostly looking at is the Class of 2026. Right now, for those prospects, Fran can only guarantee that he will be at Iowa through their sophomore year. Sure, for the 5-star kids, who have early NBA aspirations, that might not matter. But for a lot of other kids -- including most of the kids who are likely recruits for Iowa -- it matters a lot. But we're not just recruiting '26 kids right now. We are also building foundational relationships with '27 and '28 kids. For those prospects, Fran's short contract is even a bigger problem.

So, in reality, it's time to start talking contract extension for Fran McCaffery. Of course, we all know that's not going to happen. For starters, wide swaths of the fan base want him fired immediately for lack of success on the court. For another, Fran will be nearly 70 when his current contract expires, and not a lot of guys want to keep working at that age.

So, if we know we're not going to extend Fran McCaffery beyond 2028 -- and I think we can all agree on that -- he is a lame duck right now. And this is going to start negatively impacting our recruiting in a major way. I suppose with the way players move around in the portal these days, it might not as big of a problem as it might have been 10-15 years ago, but it's still a problem.

Against all of this, there are other intangibles, such as:
  • Fran's potential desire to watch Jack play
  • Beth's need, as a new AD, to demonstrate her willingness to make tough decisions
  • Revenue sharing coming online, creating an opportunity to make a splash in recruiting
  • A desperate need to boost attendance and increase MBB revenue
It just makes all the sense in the world to turn the page after this season. I don't hate Fran nearly as much as a lot of other folks, and I've never before called for a coach to be fired (not even Lickliter, though I was ultimately happy we did). Fran McCaffery has done many good things for the Hawkeye basketball program, and I'd prefer not to just drop him on the curb. Ideally, I would hope that the university and Fran could negotiate a mutual parting of ways, even if it means giving Fran a portion or the entirety of his buyout to make it happen.

But the time is right to make a change. Not doing so puts the program at risk. It's time to start breathing new excitement into the MBB program, and you can't do it without finding a new coach.
 
Iowa has 14 wins. Which 6 of these games do you think Iowa is winning? They might steal a couple of these if they keep fighting like they've been... But you're nuts if you think this team is getting to 20 wins without the help of some kind of Big 10 tournament/postseason run.

That said, I don't necessarily have confidence that Fran will be replaced regardless, so I don't disagree on that aspect of your post. That's just me being pessimistic with the university's commitment to expecting more from this program. Hope I'm wrong. I've said before, this is probably partly Gary Barta PTSD.

I made mention later that I included potential BTT and post season wins (you haven’t seen those posts because for some reason the mods have to approve all my posts before they are seen, and that usually doesn’t occur until the next day…this has been going on for almost 6 months…mods, PLEASE remove this restriction).
 
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If I needed to bet money, I'd bet on him coaching 25-26 then retiring.

One odd thing to consider: he's recruiting like a madman right now. If he's such a lame duck, lost cause, why are we recruiting so well?
 
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about the house... i don't now IC well enough to know the travel routes, but was the site of jack's accident on the route fran would have to take to get to work every day from his old house? maybe he sold it and bought this new one so he wouldn't have to drive by that spot every day?

of course, i have no idea where neither his old or new house are, so geographically, it may be a moot point. but it could be a factor?
IMO Moot point.
Jack on the other hand.
But he's gone anyway after he graduates.
 
The other big factor that affects college coaching contracts is recruiting. Generally speaking, you want your coaches to be able to walk into a recruit's living room and be able to give them some assurance that they will still be the coach for the entirety of the prospect's college career. So the rule of thumb is that you always want your coach to be under contract for at least 4-5 years from the present date.
I agree with your post overall. But, in these days of NIL and the revolving door that is called the transfer portal, I don't think holding on to a coach for any recruiting purpose is that important, save for a few coaches in the country, of which Fran is not one. Today, I think a recruit, be it high school kid, a guy at another school, and yes, a player on your current team is looking for one assurance - how much money can I get. It's a cynical point of view, but I think it exists - I've even heard Fran speak to it. Whether you like him or not, I think Iowa lost Tony Perkins because of it. Will you be playing for the same coach used to be a key consideration, and I'm not completely discounting it, but I don't think is has as much relevance in these times, when good players can leave whenever they want. Can Iowa compete in that marketplace?

With that, a new coach is needed. The whole program needs a reset.
 
I know many fans want him fired. I never root for anyone to lose their job, but at the same time I would not be upset if he were to move on.

But I don’t see it happening.

I can see the Hawks ending up with 20+ wins this season when all is said and done. You don’t fire a coach for that.

He just bought a bigger house, and he’s been recruiting up a storm. The emotion he showed after the game proves he is still invested in the job and the team. Jack will probably redshirt next year wherever he’s at (if Matta is gone he could end up somewhere other than Butler) so there will be no need to go to those games. He’s not stepping down.

I think he will be pushing to get that Sweet 16 appearance before retiring in 1-2 years.

So….don’t get your hopes up. Fran will be here for the foreseeable future. At least, that’s what I think.
no but you do let them go when the support is not there---MBB was down $600K last year and will be down even more this yr.

That is a real reason to cut bait.......................

So far Beth has not done a lot that I can see--BF was the Presidents deal--but the current increase in fball tix plus adding sales tax is not a good look after the new TV contract.
Let's see how she handles the bball issue---pproblem is Barta instituted the seat license like they did in fball but you can use the same donation for both so we have a lot of people double dipping and not using the tickets.
Add to that the student apathy towards bball right now and here we go.
 
If I needed to bet money, I'd bet on him coaching 25-26 then retiring.

One odd thing to consider: he's recruiting like a madman right now. If he's such a lame duck, lost cause, why are we recruiting so well?
the new guy Spurlock would be my guess--his stock is on the rise nationally
 
Iowa has 14 wins. Which 6 of these games do you think Iowa is winning? They might steal a couple of these if they keep fighting like they've been... But you're nuts if you think this team is getting to 20 wins without the help of some kind of Big 10 tournament/postseason run.

That said, I don't necessarily have confidence that Fran will be replaced regardless, so I don't disagree on that aspect of your post. That's just me being pessimistic with the university's commitment to expecting more from this program. Hope I'm wrong. I've said before, this is probably partly Gary Barta PTSD.

Washington, Northwestern and Nebraska. I could also see Iowa going 1-6
 
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Given Iowa’s commitment to mediocrity and a large chunk of the fan base’s celebration of it, I have no doubt Fran will be at Iowa as long as he wants to be.
And here I thought all we needed to do was donate all our hard earned money to Swarm so we could buy recruits that would otherwise go to Duke, Kansas, Kentucky, Iowa State, etc, regardless of who is coaching the team.............

Sounds to me like you're wavering a bit on your stance of pay-for-play outweighing the importance of coaching. ;)
 
Iowa has 14 wins. Which 6 of these games do you think Iowa is winning? They might steal a couple of these if they keep fighting like they've been... But you're nuts if you think this team is getting to 20 wins without the help of some kind of Big 10 tournament/postseason run.

That said, I don't necessarily have confidence that Fran will be replaced regardless, so I don't disagree on that aspect of your post. That's just me being pessimistic with the university's commitment to expecting more from this program. Hope I'm wrong. I've said before, this is probably partly Gary Barta PTSD.

1-6 only win vs Washington.
 
I know many fans want him fired. I never root for anyone to lose their job, but at the same time I would not be upset if he were to move on.

But I don’t see it happening.

I can see the Hawks ending up with 20+ wins this season when all is said and done. You don’t fire a coach for that.

He just bought a bigger house, and he’s been recruiting up a storm. The emotion he showed after the game proves he is still invested in the job and the team. Jack will probably redshirt next year wherever he’s at (if Matta is gone he could end up somewhere other than Butler) so there will be no need to go to those games. He’s not stepping down.

I think he will be pushing to get that Sweet 16 appearance before retiring in 1-2 years.

So….don’t get your hopes up. Fran will be here for the foreseeable future. At least, that’s what I think.
That 'bigger' house he bought was a substantial downgrade in price/value. He sold his house in North Liberty for $2.5 million and bought the Iowa City home for $1.2 million. Even though a person can argue the house is larger, it was clearly a downsizing given the disparity in prices.
 
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I know many fans want him fired. I never root for anyone to lose their job, but at the same time I would not be upset if he were to move on.

But I don’t see it happening.

I can see the Hawks ending up with 20+ wins this season when all is said and done. You don’t fire a coach for that.

He just bought a bigger house, and he’s been recruiting up a storm. The emotion he showed after the game proves he is still invested in the job and the team. Jack will probably redshirt next year wherever he’s at (if Matta is gone he could end up somewhere other than Butler) so there will be no need to go to those games. He’s not stepping down.

I think he will be pushing to get that Sweet 16 appearance before retiring in 1-2 years.

So….don’t get your hopes up. Fran will be here for the foreseeable future. At least, that’s what I think.
If the team continues to battle, and he wants to come back, he'll be back. Given his family dynamics, I think it's more likely he leaves on his own than getting canned.
 
just read again where Indiana looking at McCollum from Drake--in the top 3--pointing to Cignetti and where he came from and the parallels, Drake has the best record in the country at this time believe it or not--
Time for our athletic director to step up and fix the issue........
 
As I've said before, I think it all comes down to the contract.

One thing to remember is that college coaching contracts really aren't the same thing as professional athletes' contracts. For pro athletes, if a guy has a 5-year contract, he's going to be playing for five years. People think college coaching contracts work the same way, but most of the time they don't. College coaches are always switching jobs, getting fired, or retiring, regardless of the number of years left on their contract. Just one example ... Nick Saban had 6 years left on his contract when he retired at Alabama -- he walked away from more than $70 million by retiring when he did. But that's the way it works with college coaching contracts. They are more about a school's symbolic commitment to a coach (or a coach's symbolic committment to a school), rather than an actual measurement of how long you expect the individual to keep coaching.

The other big factor that affects college coaching contracts is recruiting. Generally speaking, you want your coaches to be able to walk into a recruit's living room and be able to give them some assurance that they will still be the coach for the entirety of the prospect's college career. So the rule of thumb is that you always want your coach to be under contract for at least 4-5 years from the present date.

So, back to Fran. Right now, he is under contract through the 2027-28 season. That's only three more seasons. And that's a problem for recruiting. 2025 recruiting is basically wrapped up at this point, so the class we are mostly looking at is the Class of 2026. Right now, for those prospects, Fran can only guarantee that he will be at Iowa through their sophomore year. Sure, for the 5-star kids, who have early NBA aspirations, that might not matter. But for a lot of other kids -- including most of the kids who are likely recruits for Iowa -- it matters a lot. But we're not just recruiting '26 kids right now. We are also building foundational relationships with '27 and '28 kids. For those prospects, Fran's short contract is even a bigger problem.

So, in reality, it's time to start talking contract extension for Fran McCaffery. Of course, we all know that's not going to happen. For starters, wide swaths of the fan base want him fired immediately for lack of success on the court. For another, Fran will be nearly 70 when his current contract expires, and not a lot of guys want to keep working at that age.

So, if we know we're not going to extend Fran McCaffery beyond 2028 -- and I think we can all agree on that -- he is a lame duck right now. And this is going to start negatively impacting our recruiting in a major way. I suppose with the way players move around in the portal these days, it might not as big of a problem as it might have been 10-15 years ago, but it's still a problem.

Against all of this, there are other intangibles, such as:
  • Fran's potential desire to watch Jack play
  • Beth's need, as a new AD, to demonstrate her willingness to make tough decisions
  • Revenue sharing coming online, creating an opportunity to make a splash in recruiting
  • A desperate need to boost attendance and increase MBB revenue
It just makes all the sense in the world to turn the page after this season. I don't hate Fran nearly as much as a lot of other folks, and I've never before called for a coach to be fired (not even Lickliter, though I was ultimately happy we did). Fran McCaffery has done many good things for the Hawkeye basketball program, and I'd prefer not to just drop him on the curb. Ideally, I would hope that the university and Fran could negotiate a mutual parting of ways, even if it means giving Fran a portion or the entirety of his buyout to make it happen.

But the time is right to make a change. Not doing so puts the program at risk. It's time to start breathing new excitement into the MBB program, and you can't do it without finding a new coach.
Great post. Nice work.
 
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