Fran's Buyout
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It is not reasonable because people predicted him to have an average(at best) team?
Not quite, I still say tourney or fire.
I refuse to give up on the season, but if he doesn't get it turned around......
problem is what if his kids are amazing and turn us around? Then does he get a huge extension by the time they leave and we're stuck with him and a bunch of crappy teams? You can't be rewarded as a coach, just because your kids are talented.
So you are saying coaches shouldn’t get credit for having good players? What in the....
LOL. Here we go again. This was a scorching topic last season and many said that Fran needed to go. Last season, I said, "Let's give it another season and re-evaluate". (Spoken paraphrastically). If the trend continues as it has beyond a limited sample of two games in conference, I would definitely have to consider the options available that an AD could use. I don't know what Fran and Barta discuss outside of the public domain and I wouldn't even venture a wild guess. But one thing I know for sure, is that all indications at least in the public "eye", are positive when it comes to Barta favoring Fran's body of work.
That said, the primary question that I have is, "What is taking so long to produce a consistently competitive team?" And, if the Hawks' defense was better with MG, Woody, and Sapp, then how could our defense be so relaxed and porous?
That said, the primary question that I have is, "What is taking so long to produce a consistently competitive team?" And, if the Hawks' defense was better with MG, Woody, and Sapp, then how could our defense be so relaxed and porous?
I have to laugh at this. In reality the boosters are the problem. Why do you think that every Iowa coach except George Raveling recruits the way they do.
Think back to all the borderline recruits Tom Davis, Steve Alford, Todd Lickliter, and yes Fran. has brought into the program.
Yea, sprinkled in were players that were warranted being recruited to Iowa, but a majority of them were not.
So you think that it's a coincidence that Iowa hasn't sniffed a Big Ten Championship since 1979.
There again why was it that Steve Alford suddenly became a recruiting genus, or Lute Olsen was able to recruit enough talent to win a National Championship, Think about that for a minute.
Why did it take Fran this long to recruit the east coast. Why does he only recruit athletes from around the mid west and why did it take a coach and his staff 9 years to make connections to high school players only to be turned away for other Big schools?
I'm sure there's someone out there that has those answers.
I'm all ears.
Gary Dolphin was right!
I can live with Fran if he would just get some quickness and athleticism in the back court. I’d be happy if he just took some flyers every class on some lower rated guys that have the physical abilities to drive the lane and defend.
It’s been stunning to me how many mid-majors come in to Carver with a better set of guards than we have. The total disregard for this aspect is what’s souring me. I’m watching guards from UMKC that were not awesome by any means with more quicks, getting to the rim and our guys can’t.
I go back to Dolph’s exact comments and sentiments. He could not have been anymore more correct. Might have been the worst suspension ever.
It’s been stunning to me how many mid-majors come in to Carver with a better set of guards than we have. The total disregard for this aspect is what’s souring me. I’m watching guards from UMKC that were not awesome by any means with more quicks, getting to the rim and our guys can’t.
I go back to Dolph’s exact comments and sentiments. He could not have been anymore more correct. Might have been the worst suspension ever.
Maybe I’m reading this wrong or my sarcasm detector is off. I’m reading this as our team is bad enough that a tournament is not reasonable to expect, therefore firing the coach is not an option because said poor quality of the team. Please tell me what I’m missing as I believe having a poor team with little chance for success is exactly why you fire a coach.
Not even saying I want him fired, expect him to get fired, but this post didn’t make sense to me.
37th highest paid and he's only been in NCAA tourney twice in 8 years, plus a play in game which he lost as part of a season ending collapse. All this guy does is recruit Iowa kids. He's had maybe three out-of-state recruits in 8-9 years that would start for other B1G upper division teams (White, Cook, Garza). What does he bring to the table?
are you saying an extension would be in order if his kids turn out to be really good? what in the......
So how exactly does a kid who needs at least 2 years to bulk up and adjust to the game help us against bigger more athletic teams --the rest of the big ten. I read the same posts about Connor's impact. This isn't a dig on either kid just stating that neither strikes me as a Cook-type athlete who is going change the talent level dramatically. Is PMac better than Weiskamp? Can he create his own shot? Who is going to facilitate? Asking a lot for two true freshman IMO. Other big ten teams are recruiting kids with grown man bodies and we have kids that look like college kids.
All ya gotta do is move south,( can't remember if it's from (North-South Dakota) sit back and lie ...lie ..lie and enjoy...Life is good if your Gary Barta, as long as it's not his money .Time to start over and that means time for Barta to go....
Marble if we are counting legacies.
Marble committed to Lickliter. Lickliter had two Big caliber players committed---Brust and Marble. Fran was able to keep Marble.
That does remind me Fran brought in Basabe from Sienna, who was solid 4 year starter and Olesani. So the list in 9 years of difference makes is White, Basabe, Olesani, Cook, and probably Garza....notice any guards on the list of out of state B1G caliber players? Gesell and Sapp were average B1G players.
I think we have different definitions of difference makers. Basabe, for example, was a 20 mpg player and averaged about 8 points and 5 rebounds/game. White and Cook would be the only ones that meet the criteria. Cook is stuck playing with mid major talent so it’s harder for him to thrive.
I know there is a lot of frustration with Fran. But it sounds like the whole Tom Davis argument—people not happy with moderate success. I really don’t want to go back to alfraud/lick years either—brutal. The problem is if you want to succeed in NCAA basketball you need to hire a slimy coach or you live with average success.
Davis made the tourney 9/13 years with 2 NIT appearances. Fran has had 3 (2.5?)tourney teams and 3 NIT appearances in 8 years. Not really comparable . Alford had just as much success as Fran with 3 tourney appearances and 3 NIT’s, nearly identical records as well.
I’ve said this a few times, that extension was Between Barta and the McCaffery family.
Pump the brakes guys. Iowa is 6-2 right now. With a win over little brother we should be able to get to the new year at 11-2. How many of you would have taken that in October? Thursday night will tell us a lot about this team. Will they turn it back on or let the season spiral down? I think they turn it back on and they get that confidence back going into the new year.
Just a polite reminder of Fran's buyout situation. No way is he fired for the foreseeable future.
How about simply waiting until, you know, this season is actually far enough long to make an actual judgment?
Can we agree on doing that? Or is that "insane" too?
Whatever/whenever Fran gets fired his buyout is still larger than the 2.4 million owed to Lick, and that hamstrung us in finding a new coach. What are we going to get with a 3.6 million buyout in 2023?
I think you let him go through next year which is painful.. but bring in a new coach with 0 years HC experience.. pay them half what you paid Fran and put the other half towards the payout.. Lots of good candidates out there who would take 1 to 1.3 million
I posted in another thread.. Jon Scheyer, Craig Smith, Eric Musselman, Hubert Davis..
Scheyer and Davis won't set foot in Iowa City, and Mussleman is old. Smith isn't a better hire than Fran was.
Honestly, we are only a great PG away from making the Tournament.
Something Fran has failed to deliver every year.
Something Fran has failed to deliver every year.
That’s just laughable... Scheyer won’t come back to within a few hours of where he grew up? Hubert Davis would ABSOLUTELY take a big 10 gig.. Craig Smith is similar to a Fran hire except a little younger and yeah Musselman is old but would bring a different element.. it’s 4 different types of coaches 4 different elements.. you got something better?
Tough decision to make. The results haven't been there so you may have to buy him out before the fan base completely disappears.
Another element.. Gate money goes down biiiig time if you keep Fran.. would a new coach attract sellouts? Not sure
Maybe you’re right about Scheyer and Davis...but the solution for them won’t be Iowa. And no I don’t have something better for 1-1.3 million, that’s the basis of this conversation. My argument is we need money to attract a good coach, and that Frans buyout in 2023 is much higher than Licks was. We struggled attracting quality candidates then because we couldn’t afford it. Nobody worth damn is going to want to take on this mess for peanuts.
Anyone know what the buyout $$$ are for Izzo and Belein? Their base salaries are well above Fran's, I am sure, but curious on the buyout numbers.
No, the buyout didn’t hamstring anything. An overall lack of progress on basketball facilities thanks to Bowlsby did.
Do people think we pay the buyout all at once or something?
Do people think we pay the buyout all at once or something?
