French President Still Wants Refugees: GOP, What’s Your Excuse?

[THE_DEVIL]

President Hollande encouraged citizens in France to ignore the impulse to demonize and question the Syrian refugees.

“30,000 refugees will be welcomed over the next two years. Our country has the duty to respect this commitment,” explaining that they will undergo vigorous security checks.

Hollande noted that “some people say the tragic events of the last few days have sown doubts in their minds,” but called it a “humanitarian duty” to help those people … but one that will go hand in hand with “our duty to protect our people.”

“We have to reinforce our borders while remaining true to our values,” he said.

President Obama has echoed Hollande’s sentiment by standing by the U.S. decision to remain open and accommodating to Syrian refugees with common-sense screenings.

 

[herkyhawk00]

These people have no birth certificates, no social security cards, nothing that identifies their history. I agree, we are better off creating a safe haven overseas for these people rather than financially supporting them and potentially putting ourselves in further danger.

 

[IMCC965]

And he's going to be hosing down blood in the streets for years to come because he simply doesn't want to be called a bigot.

 

[NoleSoup4U]

President Hollande encouraged citizens in France to ignore the impulse to demonize and question the Syrian refugees.

“30,000 refugees will be welcomed over the next two years. Our country has the duty to respect this commitment,” explaining that they will undergo vigorous security checks.

Hollande noted that “some people say the tragic events of the last few days have sown doubts in their minds,” but called it a “humanitarian duty” to help those people … but one that will go hand in hand with “our duty to protect our people.”

“We have to reinforce our borders while remaining true to our values,” he said.

President Obama has echoed Hollande’s sentiment by standing by the U.S. decision to remain open and accommodating to Syrian refugees with common-sense screenings.

Besides the fact that they're probably worried about the economic, social, and militant problems?

 

[86Hawkeye]

President Hollande encouraged citizens in France to ignore the impulse to demonize and question the Syrian refugees.

“30,000 refugees will be welcomed over the next two years. Our country has the duty to respect this commitment,” explaining that they will undergo vigorous security checks.

Hollande noted that “some people say the tragic events of the last few days have sown doubts in their minds,” but called it a “humanitarian duty” to help those people … but one that will go hand in hand with “our duty to protect our people.”

“We have to reinforce our borders while remaining true to our values,” he said.

President Obama has echoed Hollande’s sentiment by standing by the U.S. decision to remain open and accommodating to Syrian refugees with common-sense screenings.

The great thing about Hollande is that he actually understands that you can accept refugees but you need to control your borders.

That said, it will be interesting to see if he actually follows through with the commitment.

 

[TexMichFan]

President Hollande encouraged citizens in France to ignore the impulse to demonize and question the Syrian refugees.

“30,000 refugees will be welcomed over the next two years. Our country has the duty to respect this commitment,” explaining that they will undergo vigorous security checks.

Hollande noted that “some people say the tragic events of the last few days have sown doubts in their minds,” but called it a “humanitarian duty” to help those people … but one that will go hand in hand with “our duty to protect our people.”

“We have to reinforce our borders while remaining true to our values,” he said.

President Obama has echoed Hollande’s sentiment by standing by the U.S. decision to remain open and accommodating to Syrian refugees with common-sense screenings.

Maybe Obama could explain what the vigorous security checks are going to be.

That would probably go a long way towards helping people be more comfortable but he choice his usual route and the one that you are following in trying to make those people who have questions feel like bigots. Some Democrats along with the Republican leadership in Congress are asking to slow the process down and take a look at what we are doing which to me makes sense. The rest of the stuff is just the usual political crap.

 

[rocketclone]

Maybe Obama could explain what the vigorous security checks are going to be.

That would probably go a long way towards helping people be more comfortable but he choice his usual route and the one that you are following in trying to make those people who have questions feel like bigots. Some Democrats along with the Republican leadership in Congress are asking to slow the process down and take a look at what we are doing which to me makes sense. The rest of the stuff is just the usual political crap.

I understand what you are saying and might agree but this president has flat out lied to the American public and anything he says you just can't believe.

 

[herkyhawk00]

Maybe Obama could explain what the vigorous security checks are going to be.

That would probably go a long way towards helping people be more comfortable but he choice his usual route and the one that you are following in trying to make those people who have questions feel like bigots. Some Democrats along with the Republican leadership in Congress are asking to slow the process down and take a look at what we are doing which to me makes sense. The rest of the stuff is just the usual political crap.

Honest question, what could they possibly check on that would make it a good screening? These people have no history? They have no records. Nothing! Plus, we are going to financially support all of these people? Why bring more people into the country when we should be working with the United Nations to establish a safe haven over seas?

 

[Smalls4IA]

President Hollande encouraged citizens in France to ignore the impulse to demonize and question the Syrian refugees.

“30,000 refugees will be welcomed over the next two years. Our country has the duty to respect this commitment,” explaining that they will undergo vigorous security checks.

Hollande noted that “some people say the tragic events of the last few days have sown doubts in their minds,” but called it a “humanitarian duty” to help those people … but one that will go hand in hand with “our duty to protect our people.”

“We have to reinforce our borders while remaining true to our values,” he said.

President Obama has echoed Hollande’s sentiment by standing by the U.S. decision to remain open and accommodating to Syrian refugees with common-sense screenings.

I thought the Middle East wasn't our fight? You people make zero sense....

 

[Huey Grey]

Becoming a refugee is a process that takes 18-24 months. It doesn't make much sense for terrorists to wait around for two full years before they're even invited into the US. Which is why the idea of ISIS using our refugee process to gain access to out country makes little sense.

 

[YellowSnow51]

President Hollande encouraged citizens in France to ignore the impulse to demonize and question the Syrian refugees.

President Obama has echoed Hollande’s sentiment by standing by the U.S. decision to remain open and accommodating to Syrian refugees with common-sense screenings.

LOL..."Common Sense Screenings". I hope they are better than the screenings we use for disability eligibility.

First question on Refugee Screening form: "If you were allowed to vote, would you vote Democrat or Allah hating Infidel?



Hi DEVIL!

 

[BelemNole]

These people have no birth certificates, no social security cards, nothing that identifies their history. I agree, we are better off creating a safe haven overseas for these people rather than financially supporting them and potentially putting ourselves in further danger.

Why wouldn't they have birth certificates?
Of course they don't have social security cards, why would they?
Many of them have lots of things that identify their history. Passports, immunization records, college degrees, medical training, etc.

 

[Vroom_C14]

Becoming a refugee is a process that takes 18-24 months. It doesn't make much sense for terrorists to wait around for two full years before they're even invited into the US. Which is why the idea of ISIS using our refugee process to gain access to out country makes little sense.

Who would think terrorists would be patient...

The hijackers in the September 11 attacks were 19 men affiliated with al-Qaeda. 15 of the 19 were citizens of Saudi Arabia.[1] The others were from the United Arab Emirates (2), Egypt and Lebanon. The hijackers were organized into four teams, each led by a pilot-trained hijacker with three or four "muscle hijackers" who were trained to help subdue the pilots, passengers, and crew.

The first hijackers to arrive in the United States were Khalid al-Mihdhar and Nawaf al-Hazmi, who settled in the San Diego area in January 2000. They were followed by three hijacker-pilots, Mohamed Atta, Marwan al-Shehhi, and Ziad Jarrah in mid-2000 to undertake flight training in south Florida. The fourth hijacker-pilot, Hani Hanjour, arrived in San Diego in December 2000. The rest of the "muscle hijackers" arrived in early and mid-2001. They had taken classes to learn how to fly the planes properly.

 

[SIXERS24]

18-24 months is nothing! They will wait years to spring their attacks!

All they have is time, because when they attack they will most likely die!

 

[hawkeye54545]

I wonder how long Hillary supports the refugees being brought in. The latest polls numbers are getting worse for her and we know how strong her convictions are when that happens.

 

[Joes Place]

The idiocy expressed in this thread is almost mind-numbing.

The Syrian Muslims escaping their wartorn country are Alawites and Sunni sects. They are NOT part of the extremist Wahhabi related groups that are being funded and promoted by Saudi Arabia.

If the ISIS groups are trying to 'sneak in' a terrorist with other refugees.....how many of the ACTUAL refugees do you think are going to sit back and LET THEM do it? These are people who have seen their relatives killed by ISIS; they have seen their whole lives and livelihoods uprooted by ISIS. If they figure out there are some of the terrorists in their refugee groups who are the very people who did this to them, you REALLY think they will sit back and stay quiet about it? To the groups and people to RESCUE them and give them food and shelter???

My God, the political spin machine can make some insanely STUPID arguments......

 

[86Hawkeye]

If the ISIS groups are trying to 'sneak in' a terrorist with other refugees.....how many of the ACTUAL refugees do you think are going to sit back and LET THEM do it? .....

So, all the refugees will know an ISIS operative when they see one, and he/she will be outed on the spot?

 

[Joes Place]

So, all the refugees will know an ISIS operative when they see one, and he/she will be outed on the spot?

You don't think they'll be able to tell someone apart from them, who doesn't share their Alawite or 'normal' Sunni religious beliefs?

Could you walk into a Synagogue and 'pull off' being a pious, Hasidic Jew?
How long would that last?

 

[unIowa]

Honest question, what could they possibly check on that would make it a good screening? These people have no history? They have no records. Nothing! Plus, we are going to financially support all of these people? Why bring more people into the country when we should be working with the United Nations to establish a safe haven over seas?

This and these safe havens better well have some pro-western brainwashing stations (lots of TVs with entertaining pro American shows...think things like The A-Team and Scooby Doo) so they don't get brainwashed by Islamic jihadist.

We need to win the brain-washing, sorry I mean propaganda, war if we want to not have to deal with long term heighten levels of Islamic Terrorism.

I've long thought we need to do a better job of exporting American cultures and democratic values (peacefully) but instead it appears many in the western-world are more interested in importing ultra conservative and freedom hating values.

 

[Huey Grey]

I wonder how long Hillary supports the refugees being brought in. The latest polls numbers are getting worse for her and we know how strong her convictions are when that happens.

She's beating the pants off every last Republican in all the online prediction markets. Seems like it's your side that is scrambling to find a foothold.

 

[Huey Grey]

18-24 months is nothing! They will wait years to spring their attacks!

All they have is time, because when they attack they will most likely die!

You're not serious with this, are you? If I'm a terrorist and want to attack the US, I'm not waiting 2 years, undergo all sorts of background checks, and then hope that I make the cut. There are easier ways like sneaking in, or simply recruiting people who already live here.

 

[86Hawkeye]

You don't think they'll be able to tell someone apart from them, who doesn't share their Alawite or 'normal' Sunni religious beliefs?

Could you walk into a Synagogue and 'pull off' being a pious, Hasidic Jew?
How long would that last?

I'll bet I could, over time, change my appearance and learn to act that way, yes.

I'm sure an ISIS operative could learn to act like a "normal Sunni" refugee.

 

[86Hawkeye]

You're not serious with this, are you? If I'm a terrorist and want to attack the US, I'm not waiting 2 years, undergo all sorts of background checks, and then hope that I make the cut. There are easier ways like sneaking in, or simply recruiting people who already live here.

Why is it easy to sneak in? How?

 

[BelemNole]

Why would they even have to "sneak" in? Why not come as a "tourist". Just get a visa and a plane ticket and say you're coming to visit Vegas like everyone else. Then stop at your local gun show, pick up whatever you need and you're on your way.

 

[Huey Grey]

I'll bet I could, over time, change my appearance and learn to act that way, yes.

I'm sure an ISIS operative could learn to act like a "normal Sunni" refugee.

Waiting years, keeping a squeaky clean background, changing appearance, acting totally different? Are you serious? This isn't a spy movie. If ISIS wants to attack us, they either sneak people in or recruit people who are already living here. An elaborate long con to gain our trust year after year is way more complex than it has to be.

 

[Huey Grey]

Why would they even have to "sneak" in? Why not come as a "tourist". Just get a visa and a plane ticket and say you're coming to visit Vegas like everyone else. Then stop at your local gun show, pick up whatever you need and you're on your way.

Or this. If you have a passport, you can simply hop the next jet over and do it this way. The NRA has already shown that they're more than willing to help terrorists buy guns.

 

[sijoint]

Honest question, what could they possibly check on that would make it a good screening? These people have no history? They have no records. Nothing! Plus, we are going to financially support all of these people? Why bring more people into the country when we should be working with the United Nations to establish a safe haven over seas?

Obama/Red/liberals are more interested in demeaning Republicans and Christians. Anything he can show he, his party can be obstinent, disrespectful and do whatever he wants he'll do just that....at any price, including jeopardizing the safety of the American people. He's being his Jackass self. The Narcissist definition in the dictionary should feature his picture.

 

[Tom Paris]

Waiting years, keeping a squeaky clean background, changing appearance, acting totally different? Are you serious? This isn't a spy movie. If ISIS wants to attack us, they either sneak people in or recruit people who are already living here. An elaborate long con to gain our trust year after year is way more complex than it has to be.

You think like my wife...extremely short term.

 

[Huey Grey]

You think like my wife...extremely short term.

Don't want to admit how stupid it sounds thinking that terrorists will wait years to be invited in this country to attack us, do you?

 

[Joes Place]

I'll bet I could, over time, change my appearance and learn to act that way, yes.

LOL. I highly doubt it.

I'm pretty certain the people who really ARE refugees would smell a rat pretty quickly, and be HIGHLY motivated to point any 'moles' out....

 

[Tom Paris]

Don't want to admit how stupid it sounds thinking that terrorists will wait years to be invited in this country to attack us, do you?

No...but years down the road...some of them will be. Without a doubt.

Again...I am STILL waiting for someone to point out a benefit, to the people of our country, to having these refugees allowed to enter our borders. We need to work on our own problems before creating thousands more. It's just a short-sighted way to think. Nothing good will come of this.

 

[Huey Grey]

No...but years down the road...some of them will be. Without a doubt.

Again...I am STILL waiting for someone to point out a benefit, to the people of our country, to having these refugees allowed to enter our borders. We need to work on our own problems before creating thousands more. It's just a short-sighted way to think. Nothing good will come of this.

Why are you so caught up in how this serves us? It doesn't. That's why it's called altruism. You don't shovel your neighbors walk, or help your coworker move, or volunteer at the local soup kitchen because you're looking for benefits. You do it because you realize that other people need help sometimes.

 

[herkyhawk00]

Why wouldn't they have birth certificates?
Of course they don't have social security cards, why would they?
Many of them have lots of things that identify their history. Passports, immunization records, college degrees, medical training, etc.

So these people are carrying them on their person? They have been taken from their homes. What forms of identification do they currently have on them? How many Americans from low socioeconomic areas have id's, passports, immunization records on hand, college degrees, or a drivers license? It's not like these people were given time to prepare and then said, "honey, don't forget to pack the passports." I'm not trying to be a smart a$$. I am trying to ask real questions because frankly, I don't see many of these people having these documents.

It then becomes a screening where you are asking questions and relying on them to tell you the truth. No, thanks.

 

[Tom Paris]

Why are you so caught up in how this serves us? It doesn't. That's why it's called altruism. You don't shovel your neighbors walk, or help your coworker move, or volunteer at the local soup kitchen because you're looking for benefits. You do it because you realize that other people need help sometimes.

Bad analogy is bad.
It isn't that it doesn't serve us. We don't need to be rewarded. It's because this is a godawful idea that brings nothing positive to the United States. Having another 100,000 people over here, is a bad idea. Feel free to warm your heart working at a soup kitchen. Please, do things to help alleviate some of the problems we have here. Don't advocate to create new ones...because that's what you're doing.

 

[THE_DEVIL]

Bad analogy is bad.
It isn't that it doesn't serve us. We don't need to be rewarded. It's because this is a godawful idea that brings nothing positive to the United States. Having another 100,000 people over here, is a bad idea. Feel free to warm your heart working at a soup kitchen. Please, do things to help alleviate some of the problems we have here. Don't advocate to create new ones...because that's what you're doing.

link to 100,000?

 

[HallofFame]

He is most likely a cuck.

 

[Tom Paris]

link to 100,000?

I have seen several different numbers thrown out. 30,000. 100,000. 350,000. Pick one. Heck, pick 100 and I don't like it.

 

[herkyhawk00]

link to 100,000?

Google is hard.

http://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/eu...y-u-s-accept-85-000-refugees-2016-100-n430576

 

[SIXERS24]

Huey : Waiting years, keeping a squeaky clean background, changing appearance, acting totally different? Are you serious? This isn't a spy movie. If ISIS wants to attack us, they either sneak people in or recruit people who are already living here. An elaborate long con to gain our trust year after year is way more complex than it has to be.

This is exactly what has happened in France! How long were the terrorist in France before they did the attack? Some of them for decades!

How about the Bombers in Boston? They had been here for 10 years!!!!!

 

[TexMichFan]

The idiocy expressed in this thread is almost mind-numbing.

The Syrian Muslims escaping their wartorn country are Alawites and Sunni sects. They are NOT part of the extremist Wahhabi related groups that are being funded and promoted by Saudi Arabia.

If the ISIS groups are trying to 'sneak in' a terrorist with other refugees.....how many of the ACTUAL refugees do you think are going to sit back and LET THEM do it? These are people who have seen their relatives killed by ISIS; they have seen their whole lives and livelihoods uprooted by ISIS. If they figure out there are some of the terrorists in their refugee groups who are the very people who did this to them, you REALLY think they will sit back and stay quiet about it? To the groups and people to RESCUE them and give them food and shelter???

My God, the political spin machine can make some insanely STUPID arguments......

Joe, I have seen you make this point a few times and have no problem with the point you are trying to make.

A couple of questions.

Why would extremist not try and pass themselves off as Alawites and Sunni?

If you were the leader of ISIS would you try and infiltrate the United States and Europe using the refugee crisis? What do they have to lose, if they are caught they can claim they were just trying to get in and were not members of ISIS and they would just get sent back.