French President Still Wants Refugees: GOP, What’s Your Excuse?
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How long are they going to 'try and integrate'?
Most of these refugees are tracked, as they receive aid to help them get settled, and they maintain connections in groups. If they are made aware that some of the people responsible for their uprooting and killing their friends/families may try to infiltrate, I think they'd 'go the extra mile' to report anything suspicious, or if one of 'their' people suddenly went off somewhere and stopped participating in their communities.
Your position makes it seem like you think EVERY mosque in the US has 'terrorists' and teaches Islamic extremism. That's simply not the case. Heck, even people like the CO theatre shooter was recognized as being quite a bit 'off'; only since he was not a refugee, nor did any agency have any reason to track him, he stayed under the radar. That would be far more difficult for someone here as a refugee, requesting citizenship.
Now, if you are like France, and entire populations of Muslims are remanded to poorer areas and are marginalized in society, you'd have a different issue. But here, we have many solid communities of Muslims and other religious groups who live together in the melting pot.
We have a bigger threat from our own 'homegrown' terrorists of disaffected individuals; not sure a few Syrian refugees are going to pose a threat any bigger than that.
This right here is a classic underestimation of an enemy.
This is why no one takes you serious. Becoming a refugee makes perfect sense. Two years is not a long time. They would easily wait twice as long.
But I guess I should cut you a little slack. You're not informed on the current situation.
Well he probably feels like the 30k more may be less trouble than pissing off the ghettos full of economically depressed muslims he already has.
It's the 2nd and 3rd generations that you have to worry about. They act like their western peers then become radicalized. martyrdom is obviously very enticing in their religion.
It's the 2nd and 3rd generations that you have to worry about. They act like their western peers then become radicalized. martyrdom is obviously very enticing in their religion.
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Did you miss the part where they are trained to blend in? The brother of the master mind behind Paris even stated this.You don't think they'll be able to tell someone apart from them, who doesn't share their Alawite or 'normal' Sunni religious beliefs?
Could you walk into a Synagogue and 'pull off' being a pious, Hasidic Jew?
How long would that last?
Growing up in a dilapidated Brussels cul-de-sac dubbed ‘International Street’ — because almost every family who lived there had come from a different country — the boy in the navy-blue baseball cap stood out as a beacon of hope.
The son of an enterprising Moroccan, who had bought a dirt-cheap house in the canal-side slums and turned its front-parlour into a thriving secondhand clothes shop, Abdelhamid Abaaoud was sharp and engaging, and his flint-black eyes flashed with zest.
Yesterday, ruefully recalling how the youthful ‘Hamid’ had become an emblem of his immigrant community’s aspirations, one Serbian neighbour said he always called him ‘captain’ — an image enhanced by his jaunty peaked hat.
The same guy that duped all his neighbors:
Is the guy on the Left:
Article on yahoo says the female suicide bomber was a drinking party girl who love to post selfies and pose nude in some photos. People that knew her said they never saw her open the Quran.
You never know until it is too late. The religion is wacko.
You never know until it is too late. The religion is wacko.
Refugee Process Is The Most Difficult Way To Get Into The US, Expert Says
They also stated that the US refugee infrastructure is among the best in the world at screening, as they took in many Iraqi refugees during the Iraq War conflict, and have learned quite a lot from those experiences.
Basically, if ISIS wants to attack us, the refugee route is among the most complex and difficult, vs. simple getting tourist or student visas. And since all or most of the Paris attackers came from mainland Europe, that's where your risks are; they know if they come from the ME, they are going to have a lot more scrutiny, so they will want to recruit members from 'normal' countries and get them to the US to mount some form of attack. All the political blather/posturing is mostly a distraction, relative to where the real threats are likely to come from...
The process takes about two years, on average, and is more rigorous for refugees coming from Syria than from other countries, according to Karen Jacobsen. She directs the Refugees and Forced Migration Program at Tufts University in Boston, and says people wanting to pull off an attack in the U.S. would likely have an easier time entering on a tourist or business visa. Jacobsen spoke with Colorado Matters host Ryan Warner.
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"The fact is, if you wanted to come into the U.S., you could much more easily enter the U.S. as a tourist, or a business person, or even as a student or whatever.... It's much easier to get into the U.S. on a tourist visa... Now of course some countries would not be allowed in probably easily, but, you know, if you think of who the terrorists are, they are not people necessarily coming from Syria. Many people joining ISIS have got passports from Europe, from the U.S., from other countries, and they could easily come in on a tourist visa. So either the U.S. has to decide to put down all entries across its borders, or otherwise it doesn't make any sense to focus on the refugee process because it's a very, very stringent security process."
http://www.cpr.org/news/story/refugee-process-most-difficult-way-get-us-expert-says....
"The fact is, if you wanted to come into the U.S., you could much more easily enter the U.S. as a tourist, or a business person, or even as a student or whatever.... It's much easier to get into the U.S. on a tourist visa... Now of course some countries would not be allowed in probably easily, but, you know, if you think of who the terrorists are, they are not people necessarily coming from Syria. Many people joining ISIS have got passports from Europe, from the U.S., from other countries, and they could easily come in on a tourist visa. So either the U.S. has to decide to put down all entries across its borders, or otherwise it doesn't make any sense to focus on the refugee process because it's a very, very stringent security process."
They also stated that the US refugee infrastructure is among the best in the world at screening, as they took in many Iraqi refugees during the Iraq War conflict, and have learned quite a lot from those experiences.
Basically, if ISIS wants to attack us, the refugee route is among the most complex and difficult, vs. simple getting tourist or student visas. And since all or most of the Paris attackers came from mainland Europe, that's where your risks are; they know if they come from the ME, they are going to have a lot more scrutiny, so they will want to recruit members from 'normal' countries and get them to the US to mount some form of attack. All the political blather/posturing is mostly a distraction, relative to where the real threats are likely to come from...
You scared guys are really bad at both math and common sense.
Isis has about 30k members according to the CIA. There are 4.2 million refugees (turkey alone has 2.2M) and about 6 million more internally displaced people. Even if all of Isis decided to disguise themselves as refugees, they would constitute 0.71% of the total population of refugees outside of Syria. Being permitted to resettle in another country and ending up in the US would be like winning the lottery twice for a would be terrorist, and that's before any security or background checks are done. Presumably we are primarily/only taking families with children which likely puts us into an even safer population of refugees.
The anecdote about the Paris bombers shows a lack of understanding of how people become radicalized. Unlike places like France and England, we lack Muslim majority slums, and outside of places apparently like Iowa, and other backwards states, you don't have nearly the degree of blatant xenophobia towards Muslims. The odds of us fostering an environment conducive to growing domestic Muslim terrorists is quite low relative to places in Europe.
I'm still far more concerned about a white guy shooting up my kids school than Syrian refugees and you all should be too.
Isis has about 30k members according to the CIA. There are 4.2 million refugees (turkey alone has 2.2M) and about 6 million more internally displaced people. Even if all of Isis decided to disguise themselves as refugees, they would constitute 0.71% of the total population of refugees outside of Syria. Being permitted to resettle in another country and ending up in the US would be like winning the lottery twice for a would be terrorist, and that's before any security or background checks are done. Presumably we are primarily/only taking families with children which likely puts us into an even safer population of refugees.
The anecdote about the Paris bombers shows a lack of understanding of how people become radicalized. Unlike places like France and England, we lack Muslim majority slums, and outside of places apparently like Iowa, and other backwards states, you don't have nearly the degree of blatant xenophobia towards Muslims. The odds of us fostering an environment conducive to growing domestic Muslim terrorists is quite low relative to places in Europe.
I'm still far more concerned about a white guy shooting up my kids school than Syrian refugees and you all should be too.
While I also favor an overseas safe haven for them rather than shuttling them here, I also see no issue with "vigorous security checks." The problem will be when "common sense screening" becomes minimal and nothing resembling "vigorous security checks." We must remember, these people are not US citizens, and are not inherently entitled to the same rights. We owe it to ourselves and our country to protect ourselves while helping them.
As such, I can totally understand why governors, and lawmakers of both parties would be hesitant to approve acceptance of thousands of refugees before these things are determined.
