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Garza- Did not face any size but he looked really good. Footwork was excellent and IMO he looks a half step quicker.

Wieskamp-He is definitely a special player. Effortless jumper with perfect form. Lets the game come to him. Should be a big year for JW.

Fredrick-Very impressed with him. Limited sampling with one game against a cupcake, but think he is an upgrade to Moss. Effortless jumper, quick release and hit a couple of pull up jumpers around 15-feet. Not just a spot up shooter. Gave consistent effort on D (something Moss rarely did) and understands how to use the shot fake.

Nunge-Definitely filled out. Did not play in the post much. Was beyond the arc most of the night. Had some good high-low action with Garza, hit a couple 3's and two dunks. Outside shot looks good. Will be interesting to see how Fran uses him this season.

Kriener-Made some good passes but never got into the flow.

Connor- Made some nice passes to wide open shooters so that is what it is. Had a stretch where he got stripped and turned it over twice on really poor decisions. 0-2 free throws. Shot is still flat. Did make a 3 and did a nice job of game management. Probably the best option with JBo's hip situation + Touissant still figuring things out. IMO he is a facilitator not a play maker and maybe that is all this team needs. Will see as the year progresses.

Touissant-Quick and has some hops. Got to the rim a a few times and couldn't finish. Looked he was pressing a bit at times. Played good D and disrupted some plays. Only took two perimeter shots if memory serves and neither fell.

Evelyn-Didn't have much of an impact. Played solid D. Missed both perimeter shots. Seems athletic and willing to guard. Didn't get a read on anything else...seemed like he was trying to find his role.

PMac-Would put him the same category as Fredrick with respect to being impressed with his play. Kind of a combo Baer / Aaron White performance. Good job on the boards, ran the floor, had 2-3 really impressive dunks including one on a lob from Touissant where he finished with contact. High energy / effort player with a high basketball IQ. Biggest challenge IMO will be adjusting to more physical opponents but his ability to run the floor will make him a tough player to defend.

JBo-Wasn't looking to shoot like he normally would. Hard to say if last night was a test for the hip or they have decided he is going to play and want to ease him back in. I guess he can play 30% of the games and still red shirt.
 
Garza- Did not face any size but he looked really good. Footwork was excellent and IMO he looks a half step quicker.

Wieskamp-He is definitely a special player. Effortless jumper with perfect form. Lets the game come to him. Should be a big year for JW.

Fredrick-Very impressed with him. Limited sampling with one game against a cupcake, but think he is an upgrade to Moss. Effortless jumper, quick release and hit a couple of pull up jumpers around 15-feet. Not just a spot up shooter. Gave consistent effort on D (something Moss rarely did) and understands how to use the shot fake.

Nunge-Definitely filled out. Did not play in the post much. Was beyond the arc most of the night. Had some good high-low action with Garza, hit a couple 3's and two dunks. Outside shot looks good. Will be interesting to see how Fran uses him this season.

Kriener-Made some good passes but never got into the flow.

Connor- Made some nice passes to wide open shooters so that is what it is. Had a stretch where he got stripped and turned it over twice on really poor decisions. 0-2 free throws. Shot is still flat. Did make a 3 and did a nice job of game management. Probably the best option with JBo's hip situation + Touissant still figuring things out. IMO he is a facilitator not a play maker and maybe that is all this team needs. Will see as the year progresses.

Touissant-Quick and has some hops. Got to the rim a a few times and couldn't finish. Looked he was pressing a bit at times. Played good D and disrupted some plays. Only took two perimeter shots if memory serves and neither fell.

Evelyn-Didn't have much of an impact. Played solid D. Missed both perimeter shots. Seems athletic and willing to guard. Didn't get a read on anything else...seemed like he was trying to find his role.

PMac-Would put him the same category as Fredrick with respect to being impressed with his play. Kind of a combo Baer / Aaron White performance. Good job on the boards, ran the floor, had 2-3 really impressive dunks including one on a lob from Touissant where he finished with contact. High energy / effort player with a high basketball IQ. Biggest challenge IMO will be adjusting to more physical opponents but his ability to run the floor will make him a tough player to defend.

JBo-Wasn't looking to shoot like he normally would. Hard to say if last night was a test for the hip or they have decided he is going to play and want to ease him back in. I guess he can play 30% of the games and still red shirt.
I would agree on almost all of your points. Like the freshman (PM, JT, and CJF) and think they have a great future ahead of them if they put in the effort/time.
 
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That's a really good report...thanks for those observations!

In terms of team play, did you think the Hawks looked pretty cohesive in terms of offensive and defensive execution? I think basically what I am saying is did they look like they had their act together and didn't have the early season discombobulation that can happen?

On the radio it didn't sound like they were sloppy or disjointed like teams can be at this point....
 
I was disappointed in the following:
PMacs shooting. Shot is flat and I don't remember him making any of the many he took.
Connor's many turnovers against weak competition.
Poor ft shooting by the team. Was mentioned by announcers that ft shooting was a focus in practice for that reason.
Rebounding was also a problem against Lindsey Wilson.

CJ looked very good and will be a nice complement to JW.
Other than scoring, JT looked good. Especially defensively. He can keep guys from penetrating.
Garza looked like his normal good self.
PMac is fast and can move really well defensively.
 
I always thought Patrick was pretty athletic...but I have only seen one HS game in person and then just watched some of his video stuff.

He appears to be pretty athletic based on observations and posts from last night......not sure where the folks that were stating he wasn't athletic were getting that...or what they were seeing.
 
I was disappointed in the following:
PMacs shooting. Shot is flat and I don't remember him making any of the many he took.
Connor's many turnovers against weak competition.
Poor ft shooting by the team. Was mentioned by announcers that ft shooting was a focus in practice for that reason.
Rebounding was also a problem against Lindsey Wilson.

CJ looked very good and will be a nice complement to JW.
Other than scoring, JT looked good. Especially defensively. He can keep guys from penetrating.
Garza looked like his normal good self.
PMac is fast and can move really well defensively.


I agree with your observations. Multiple times Iowa failed to block out on the weak side. Despite having 2-3 players in position nobody put a body on the Lindsey player--first game maybe letting the guard down a bit. Who knows? As a guy who used to be able to shoot a little bit, it is hard for me to understand how two sons of a coach have such awful looking shots. There is no way Connor or Patrick shoot a respectable % from 3 with such flat trajectories. Both can contribute more in other areas and the team has enough 3-point shooters.
 
I always thought Patrick was pretty athletic...but I have only seen one HS game in person and then just watched some of his video stuff.

He appears to be pretty athletic based on observations and posts from last night......not sure where the folks that were stating he wasn't athletic were getting that...or what they were seeing.

He is definitely athletic. Anyone at the game last night who saw his dunks can attest to this. He runs the floor, has hops, is a good ball handler and heady passer. I think he is best served in a Baer-type role as the energy guy in the press, help defender / shot blocker, guy who runs out on missed shots who can finish. TBD what he can do in the set offense given he will be giving up a lot of pounds.
 
That's a really good report...thanks for those observations!

In terms of team play, did you think the Hawks looked pretty cohesive in terms of offensive and defensive execution? I think basically what I am saying is did they look like they had their act together and didn't have the early season discombobulation that can happen?

On the radio it didn't sound like they were sloppy or disjointed like teams can be at this point....

I thought they looked more cohesive on both ends then they looked last year at this time (I attended the exhibition game and 1-2 early season games last year). The starters looked really efficient and smooth, especially offensively. The second group was a little more ragged but not bad.
 
That's a really good report...thanks for those observations!

In terms of team play, did you think the Hawks looked pretty cohesive in terms of offensive and defensive execution? I think basically what I am saying is did they look like they had their act together and didn't have the early season discombobulation that can happen?

On the radio it didn't sound like they were sloppy or disjointed like teams can be at this point....

Hard to draw a lot of conclusions based on the level of competition. To me it looked like they were switching more effectively on D. LW had no post presence so they didn't try to feed the ball inside. Offensively it looked like Fran had them working some specific sets to get guys looks or exploit slow rotations by the D. Passing was pretty crisp and good movement. The bigs seemed to be more aware of who was open on the perimeter. I liked Cook, but at times he tried to make something out of nothing and should have kicked it back out. I think this group will be more "aware".
 
I think Bohannon will got shut down this season and I honestly hope this is the case. Fran seems to have been hinting towards this during the offseason. If this is where Bohannon is at a long B1G season isn't going to help him reach 100%. Would rather him come back next year healthy especially after Weiskamp likely goes pro after this year.

Speaking of Weiskamp. He is smooth out on the court. I fully expect him to establish himself as a top 10 B1G player this year possible even reaching top 5. I would consider him the best wing in the B1G right now going into the season. I think he averages 16-17 a game this season.

I had my hope's up this season about Frederick. We've gotten bits and pieces from Fran about how he was often times the best guard in practice last year. Then this year Fran mentioning he was the best perimeter defender. With that and with Bohannon in limbo I figured Frederick was likely to get 20-25mpg. Then to see the dude can score from almost anywhere was great to see. Would like to see him have a game similar to this against DePaul coming up.

This game was a bad matchup for Kriener but great for guys like Patrick, Nunge and Garza. When the tables flip and Iowa faces a team that can bring physicality to the paint I will be curious how the guys do. I think Iowa has flexibility in its post players this year which will help.
 
I always thought Patrick was pretty athletic...but I have only seen one HS game in person and then just watched some of his video stuff.

He appears to be pretty athletic based on observations and posts from last night......not sure where the folks that were stating he wasn't athletic were getting that...or what they were seeing.

PMac needs some weight. He'll get there in a year or two. That noted, he is pretty athletic for his size. Hate using comparisons to high profile athletes, but Patrick gave me hints about a Minnesota player from the late 70s that went on to play with Robert Parrish and a guy named Larry...
Another year or two of gaining strength and development, and a BIG focus on rebounding & defense, and this kid could be special.
 
That's a really good report...thanks for those observations!

In terms of team play, did you think the Hawks looked pretty cohesive in terms of offensive and defensive execution? I think basically what I am saying is did they look like they had their act together and didn't have the early season discombobulation that can happen?

On the radio it didn't sound like they were sloppy or disjointed like teams can be at this point....

LWC ran a lot of weave. There were times when Iowa’s communication broke down and it left two guys switching on one. But they weren’t looking to feed the post at all.

As said, the starting five played pretty good defense. LWC threw up a lot of garbage shots, several went in. Also, LWC made a few contested shots with hands in their face.
 
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LWC ran a lot of weave. There were times when Iowa’s communication broke down and it left two guys switching on one. But they weren’t looking to feed the post at all.

As said, the starting five played pretty good defense. LWC threw up a lot of garbage shots, several went in. Also, LWC made a few contested shots with hands in their face.

This is true. I commented to my son about 5 times about the contested and deep 3’s that LWC were throwing up that went in, including the 30 footer that banked in before half.
 
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On the radio it didn't sound like they were sloppy or disjointed like teams can be at this point....
Like you (and others), I listened to the game on the radio. It's not the same as an "eye test", but Bobby and Dolph sounded pretty high on the overall performance of the team as well as how well CJ played.
 
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I was looking for a few things when I attended last night....

1. Would we find scoring options to replace Bohannon and Cook? It certainly looks like it. Frederick gets his shot off quick and isn;t afraid to play physical. His game reminds me a lot of Gatens. Nunge is a force. He had a couple nice alley oops and can play outside. Shooting wise, taking time to square up on his 3's will be helpful. I can see him be a force inside if he chooses to be. Nunge is hard to project how productive he will be. Shot selection seem to be an issue for Nunge, but I see Frederick stepping right in and being a key subject of the other teams scouting reports.

On any given night, I expect Weiskamp to be the leading score, but I expect these Frederick and Garza to be our leading scorer on nights as well and Nunge wouldn't surprise me to be there as well. We have the potential to have a balanced offense

2. Would our defense be better? This was the biggest surprise of the night for me. Frederick is tougher than expected and Joe T is as tough as nails. We seem to play gaps better and switch better than a lot of games last year already. The big concern for me is rebounding. We should have dominated and it was close to even on the boards (I think we beat them by 3-4?)

3. How would Bohannon look? He came out and moved reasonably well. His shot looked like classic Bohannon. I did notice when he planted and changed directions on defense he was fairly slow. What caused that I am not exactly sure.

4. How would our new players look?

Joe T
Very quick, embraces contacts, rebounds very very well for size. I didn't see him attempt to shoot outside however, he was able to get to the rim

PMAC Athletic but thin. Had the best dunks of the night including an alley oop over another defender. Was able to break down on D and play well. The concern is how good will his shot be (which was hard to tell) and he was pushed around by their post who were not big.

Nunge - He has gotten bigger and is skilled and athletic. Tallest guy on team (about 1/2 taller than Garza) It will be interesting to see how he contributes

Evelyn - Was a disappointment last night. I really though he would play better D. He didn't get low on D and got beat by guard when they took an angle on him. He was not aggressive on O
 
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The only time I actually got upset was when Connor got double teamed in the corner and got the ball stripped. LWC had an easy run out, but Wieskamp hustled back and blocked the lay up off the backboard. Iowa had no one else hustle back and the ball goes right back to LWC for an easy 2.

With 10 or 11 guys fighting for minutes, it’s plays like this that should earn or lose you minutes.
 
I was disappointed in the following:
PMacs shooting. Shot is flat and I don't remember him making any of the many he took.
Connor's many turnovers against weak competition.
Poor ft shooting by the team. Was mentioned by announcers that ft shooting was a focus in practice for that reason.
Rebounding was also a problem against Lindsey Wilson.

CJ looked very good and will be a nice complement to JW.
Other than scoring, JT looked good. Especially defensively. He can keep guys from penetrating.
Garza looked like his normal good self.
PMac is fast and can move really well defensively.

Patrick made 6/12 from the field so half of his shots.
Connor had 3 turnovers all night....and 11 assists.
Almost 70% from the line last night....not great but not poor either.
 
Patrick made 6/12 from the field so half of his shots.
Connor had 3 turnovers all night....and 11 assists.
Almost 70% from the line last night....not great but not poor either.

Yeah, I was going to comment on that post but figured it was pointless. Connor has a two play stretch in 2nd half where he had two TO's and got frustrated. Other then that, he controlled the game and got the other guys the ball in good spots.

With Patrick, based on last night (and the few times I saw him in High School), I think his 3 point shot needs work and I hope he is selective about jacking them up but he has a really nice touch from 12-15 ft and in.
 
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The only time I actually got upset was when Connor got double teamed in the corner and got the ball stripped. LWC had an easy run out, but Wieskamp hustled back and blocked the lay up off the backboard. Iowa had no one else hustle back and the ball goes right back to LWC for an easy 2.

With 10 or 11 guys fighting for minutes, it’s plays like this that should earn or lose you minutes.

Agreed. that was the most disappointing play of the night. I understand Connor was upset with himself but his lack of hustle back - after Wieskamp hustled back to block it off the backboard - allowed an easy put back.
 
Agreed. that was the most disappointing play of the night. I understand Connor was upset with himself but his lack of hustle back - after Wieskamp hustled back to block it off the backboard - allowed an easy put back.

Pretty sure it was right after his intercepted pass in the paint. A bad stretch (don’t recall the 3rd TO), but otherwise he played well. Connor needs to get better at FTs and I would have liked to see him drive to the hoop more. I like Connor’s game and think he could help Iowa win games. Also, maybe hitting that 3 will help his confidence in the long run.
 
Evelyn probably had hopes of starting at the point. It is unlikely if he didn't start the first game he is going to beat out the coaches son.
 
Evelyn probably had hopes of starting at the point. It is unlikely if he didn't start the first game he is going to beat out the coaches son.

If last night was any indication of his game, he should be more concerned with finding minutes and less about starting.

I’m guessing Fran has seen a lot more out of him in practice than what we saw in the few minutes last night.
 
If last night was any indication of his game, he should be more concerned with finding minutes and less about starting.

I’m guessing Fran has seen a lot more out of him in practice than what we saw in the few minutes last night.
Agreed. Both he and Joe T have a long way to go before they see major minutes.
 
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I was just saying Evelyn was probably bummed out about not starting and coming to Iowa. It is his last year. I suppose the off guard that went to Kansas will be bummed out if he doesn't start.
 
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Hard to say with Evelyn. I would have liked to see him at PG in the second half to see what he could do. It can be hard for a guy who is used to having the ball in his hands to play out of position like he was last night. If Bohannon can't go this year, it will be nice to have another experienced guy to help out. Iowa has not fared well against ball pressure and Moss was not much of a relief valve for Bohannon. With Touissant, Evelyn, and CJ there will be more ball handlers capable of taking the pressure off the PG.
 
Hard to say with Evelyn. I would have liked to see him at PG in the second half to see what he could do. It can be hard for a guy who is used to having the ball in his hands to play out of position like he was last night. If Bohannon can't go this year, it will be nice to have another experienced guy to help out. Iowa has not fared well against ball pressure and Moss was not much of a relief valve for Bohannon. With Touissant, Evelyn, and CJ there will be more ball handlers capable of taking the pressure off the PG.

Yeah folks making any judgments based on last night (good or bad) are going to be disappointed. Can't find out a whole lot about a team until they play another team that isn't overwhelmed physically like Lindsey Wilson. It's akin to a PTL game, where you can see general abilities of players but no real sense of whether that guy can be a successful B1G player.

For example, it doesn't mean Frederick will shoot 50% from 3, or that Toussaint and Evelyn will struggle all year. I'm interested to see Iowa play a real opponent. Can Iowa defend a team with a pulse? Will they actually compete?

The anecdote cited where no one else ran back on defense to help Wieskamp is disturbing. Yes, it's one play against a bad team, but that mentality to hustle and compete every possession is not something you just turn on and off. It has to be a way a team plays.
 
Hard to say with Evelyn. I would have liked to see him at PG in the second half to see what he could do. It can be hard for a guy who is used to having the ball in his hands to play out of position like he was last night. If Bohannon can't go this year, it will be nice to have another experienced guy to help out. Iowa has not fared well against ball pressure and Moss was not much of a relief valve for Bohannon. With Touissant, Evelyn, and CJ there will be more ball handlers capable of taking the pressure off the PG.

Exactly, which I think is another upgrade from last year to this year. I think the reason Connor played so much in the 2nd Half last year - and why Moss lost minutes - was because they needed another ball handler to help out Bohannon because Moss was a poor ball handler and decision maker.

This year, you potential add CJF, JoeT, and Evelyn to those two and you have a lot of options (plus Patrick is a pretty good ball handler and passer at 6-9).
 
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Yeah folks making any judgments based on last night (good or bad) are going to be disappointed. Can't find out a whole lot about a team until they play another team that isn't overwhelmed physically like Lindsey Wilson. It's akin to a PTL game, where you can see general abilities of players but no real sense of whether that guy can be a successful B1G player.

For example, it doesn't mean Frederick will shoot 50% from 3, or that Toussaint and Evelyn will struggle all year. I'm interested to see Iowa play a real opponent. Can Iowa defend a team with a pulse? Will they actually compete?

The anecdote cited where no one else ran back on defense to help Wieskamp is disturbing. Yes, it's one play against a bad team, but that mentality to hustle and compete every possession is not something you just turn on and off. It has to be a way a team plays.

Yeah I agree with the not taking things too serious good or bad but I will say on that play that Connor and Wieskamp were the only ones in the backcourt at the time and it was a picked off pass. The other 3 Hawkeyes were down on the baseline and they might have made movements to get back but LWC was already at the hoop at that point. It was more of an indictment on Connor, who was hanging his head in frustration because of two bad plays in a row when he should have hit back there with Wieskamp.
 
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I just expect Iowa to struggle rebounding under Fran.

Why, other than first year and the then the last two seasons I think Iowa has been in the top 4 rebounding teams in the conference in McC's other 7 seasons, including a couple of first place. Looked it up once but that's my recollection.

This squad should be good rebounders. Luka is not super athletic but putting your butt into some other guy to block out doesn't require Wilt Chamberlain athleticism. Early report on Jack is he's sufficiently athletic to box out, as are Ryan and Cordell. The bigger guards should be more than respectable deep rebounders.Rebounding is 95% hard work and floor awareness.

The Baer had the floor awareness but not great athleticism. TC had great athleticism but poor technique and floor awareness.
 
Why, other than first year and the then the last two seasons I think Iowa has been in the top 4 rebounding teams in the conference in McC's other 7 seasons, including a couple of first place. Looked it up once but that's my recollection.

This squad should be good rebounders. Luka is not super athletic but putting your butt into some other guy to block out doesn't require Wilt Chamberlain athleticism. Early report on Jack is he's sufficiently athletic to box out, as are Ryan and Cordell. The bigger guards should be more than respectable deep rebounders.Rebounding is 95% hard work and floor awareness.

The Baer had the floor awareness but not great athleticism. TC had great athleticism but poor technique and floor awareness.

Just like people are saying don't get too worked up in a positive way because of who they played, the same advice should be given around looking at rebounding already in a negative way. Most of the offensive rebounds they were getting were long off the iron because how far out they were throwing up shots. Let's way until they play teams that aren't chucking 25 footers on 75% of their shots.
 
I was just saying Evelyn was probably bummed out about not starting and coming to Iowa. It is his last year. I suppose the off guard that went to Kansas will be bummed out if he doesn't start.

if you aren’t getting your minutes at your current school, is it a realistic expectation to go to a better school and expect more minutes?
 
Pretty disappointed on some of the posters on here with there assessment of Jordan & Patrick's play in the game. First of all how can one say that Jordan should shut it down because he didn't perform like he did last year. If you remember for most of the non-conference season last year he didn't hunt his shot and looked to get others involved and posters on here bitched about that to no end. Last night was his first game action since his surgery in May and he looked terrific, he needs game action for sure but if what I saw last night he will last the season with less minutes because of Toussaint & Fredrick additions.
Patrick is what you see, he is not going to add any weight during the playing season. Yes is very thin, but he's quick, long, and athletic and if used for 10 to 15 minutes a game he should be just fine. Sure he's going to get pushed around by bigger and stronger players if he plays around or under the hoop but that goes for anyone that is not Luka Garza. He's a tough kid that can take it. He will fill Baers role quite nicely.
So far I'm very satisfied at what I saw last night, Cook's minutes and production will be filled by Nunge and Pemsl, Moss's production and minutes by Fredrick, Patrick is going to fill Baer's role, and anyone with a heartbeat can fill Dailey's contribution. Players aren't standing around waiting for Cook to decide what he was going to do with the ball, and the offense is much more fluid.
 
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Pretty disappointed on some of the posters on here with there assessment of Jordan & Patrick's play in the game. First of all how can one say that Jordan should shut it down because he didn't perform like he did last year. If you remember for most of the non-conference season last year he didn't hunt his shot and looked to get others involved and posters on here bitched about that to no end. Last night was his first game action since his surgery in May and he looked terrific, he needs game action for sure but if what I saw last night he will last the season with less minutes because of Toussaint & Fredrick additions.
Patrick is what you see, he is not going to add any weight during the playing season. Yes is very thin, but he's quick, long, and athletic and if used for 10 to 15 minutes a game he should be just fine. Sure he's going to get pushed around by bigger and stronger players if he plays around or under the hoop but that goes for anyone that is not Luka Garza. He's a tough kid that can take it. He will fill Baers role quite nicely.

I thought Jordan looked fine in warm ups. I wasn’t court side by any imagination, but I would have never known that that he had surgery from watching him play. His lateral movement seemed fine in drills and he was nailing deep threes like he did before games last season. During the game he passed up a few looks, but that’s fine. This wasn’t a game where a couple of JBo shots are needed to win and it also got others into the game. I was fine with Bohannon’s play. Personally, I think he plays this season, but if him and Fran shut it down, that’s fine too. They know a lot more about his health than anyone else. I was a little surprised to read other’s views that JBo didn’t look like he was 100%.


I will say that I was surprised how lanky P McCaffery is. Even reading everything on here for the last two or three years, still seeing him in person for the first time. Patrick, CJ, and Toussaint are going to be good. The future looks bright with these three.
 
Bohannon has shown what he can do on the court. There is 0 value in playing him heavy minutes in these early games if the plan is to ease him back in over the next couple weeks. I suspect that Fran and JBo + family have agreed to see how things go the first couple weeks and make a decision based on how his hip responds.

As I mentioned in my game post, I was impressed with PMac. He isn't going to bang down low with anybody but he doesn't need to. Be that effort / energy guy that Baer was and get some hustle baskets on run outs and put backs and harass passing lanes in the press. A bigger defender is going to have to chase him all over the floor so use his versatility as an advantage. He has excellent hops so run that baseline lob they used to run to White. If he can chip in 6-8 points and be disruptive on D, he will add value.
 
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