How many owners “love” a guy currently projected in the 80s?
Again, this 1st round talk is silly. 2d? I could see someone liking him enough to risk it. Wouldn’t bet on it though. He’ll be back and he’ll be fan freaking tastic for us.
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How many owners “love” a guy currently projected in the 80s?
Again, this 1st round talk is silly. 2d? I could see someone liking him enough to risk it. Wouldn’t bet on it though. He’ll be back and he’ll be fan freaking tastic for us.
I agree but its not a given, especially after his awesome season. Good teams with late 1st round picks could do worse on rounding out their teams with immediate role players. I think its like 90% but you never know
yup. and that’s why he’s wisely testing the waters.
I think Cockburn has a better chance than Garza of a team taking a 2d round interest. Younger = more potential and there are not many players on the planet built like that freak available in any given year. Some team might just want to snag him while they can and develop him.
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Makes complete sense for Luka to test the waters.
I don't see him being taken as it's hard to picture how his game translates to the league, but stranger things have happened.
If he goes, what a helluva season to go out on.
If he comes back(assuming there is a 2020-21 college season), then he will be the foundation of a potentially really good season.
I don't see him being taken as it's hard to picture how his game translates to the league, but stranger things have happened.
If he goes, what a helluva season to go out on.
If he comes back(assuming there is a 2020-21 college season), then he will be the foundation of a potentially really good season.
He could make real good money overseas. That’s probably the biggest threat for him to leave.
I don't see this happening, that option will always be there. He'll be back at iowa way before doing that I believe
People who think the nba downgrades you for simply being a year older are idiots.
They're less willing to project on potential but that's not the same thing.
Luka has glaring defensive deficiencies and no one is going to project those to change, he'll have to show it.
Saying his stock will never be higher is incorrect.
If he improves either as a 3pt shooter or as a defender his stock will improve.
Right now hes probably not a 1st rounder, and hes smart enough to realize that you take every angle you can to try to become a first rounder because everything else is comparatively peanuts and will be available any time.
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very few players who play a lot over 3 years in college drastically change their NBA draft status with a 4th year. I mean at some point you are what you are. And being the same player but a year older generally worsens your draft stock.
Most guys who have the talent to play in the nba have it at 18 even if they're not ready yet.
Number of years in college doesn't determine draft stock, talent determines number of years in college.
The more talented you are the less time you spend in college.
Teams will take a gamble reaching early on a young player who could improve exponentially but the inverse isn't true. No one is going to draft a starter caliber player any lower because hes 22 instead of 20.
But that scenario rarely exists because that guy would have come out already.
Garza won't be the "same" player after another year, he'll be better, but he likely will still have not improved his physical deficiencies enough to play defense in the nba.
I'm not arguing that another year will dramatically increase the odds of being drafted I'm arguing that if you're not going to be a 1st rounder theres no reason to leave early.
And that's what Luka has said.
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And this is sad, IMO. That the NBA has that hold over the college game. No, fans don't want a player to miss out on the money and a pro career, but colleges are a freakin' minor league (forget the G thing) for the NBA. And what do they get back?
What are the latest rules on the draft again? He can declare and get feedback, butt has to drop out before the draft? If you stick around for the draft you lose your eligibility.... Even if you don't get drafted?
Yes, since he didn't sign with an agent, he can get feedback. There is a drop dead date where they have to pull out before the draft, not sure when that is this year with all the crap going on if its been extended.
If course it will always be there but you never know what a kid wants to do. Maybe he wants to start a pro career now and make money while he can.
They get the opportunity to try to make it as a professional, and they're not owed anything else.
Seriously?
"They" refers to colleges, sorry I didn't make that clear, not to the players.
They get mucho dinero, and it's really all they care about.
2nd round is the g league 9 times out of ten. Hes already said he doesn't want to leave early for the G league.
Of course I expect him to be better next year. How could you not? Almost every senior gets better let alone one who spends so much free time working on his game.
Even if they told him hes reached his ceiling I can guarantee you that neither he or his dad believe that for a second. Especially after the results they just achieved last year. They will bet on themselves and give it another year of work.
Getting better and scoring more points aren't the same thing.
Scoring isn't what's will keep him from getting drafted anyway.
He has to get better defensively to have a shot of sticking.
Here’s the one reason I think it’s risky if you’re Luka to come back (well, besides injury risks). The biggest concerns NBA teams likely have are his lateral quickness and ability to run the floor. If Luka’s dream is to at least have a cup of coffee in the NBA before moving onto the G league then Europe route, he’s risking a bit by staying. There is no guarantee he’ll
Be more coveted next year, and he could even regress, it happens.
If I’m him, I go get paid to play now. And I want him back more than anything, but this is about Luka, not the fans.
In my humble opinion those who he think he would be a first round pick in 2021 are deluding themselves. The kid has worked so unimaginably hard, but I don’t see how at this rate he can get much quicker/faster.
This is a horrible take all around. Illogical.
If hes not a first round pick this year then he is not risking anything.
No ones dream is to have a cup of coffee in the NBA and wouldn't make a roster this year.
Regressing doesn't happen and certainly not to this kid.
What's the point in "getting paid" now when it's not for very much money and that same opportunity will be there for the next 10 to 15 years?
Hes going to get a second round evaluation, come back for another year and try to improve himself enough to get into the money round.
If not hes lost nothing and had a great experience being one of the top players in college getting to play in front of his family every game.
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Is it really best for Luka? When you can play in the NBA, you play in the NBA. If he has a real shot at a roster spot, I don’t think he’s coming back. He’s not going to be a first round pick in 2021 either. If you think that, you need to watch more NBA basketball.
I used to agree with that but now NBA teams are handing out guaranteed contracts to a decent number of 2nd round picks as well. Heck if you are going to pan out in the NBA you'd rather be picked high in the 2nd round than in the 1st round because you get to be a FA faster (which is where the real money comes in).
guys in the top half of 2nd round were getting $4-5M guarantees last year
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He'll be back, there's little doubt about that.
Play better defense, put up similar offensive numbers, play on a top 10 team and get a shot in the second round next year. Sounds like a pretty good deal to me.
Play better defense, put up similar offensive numbers, play on a top 10 team and get a shot in the second round next year. Sounds like a pretty good deal to me.
From the pros? That was the gist of my original post. The pros mine the colleges for early entries essentially like minor leagues, and what do the colleges get from the pros?
They get millions of dollars, all they're owed.
It's a business relationship, get over it.
Define decent number.
Garza was one of the college balls best scorers and still projected as a late 2nd at best pick.
Because he won't be able to defend in the nba.
Hes likely not getting a guaranteed contract.
Lol, he won't be in the nba if he leaves now, that's the whole fvcking point, and yes probably won't in another year either but his chances will be slightly higher if he improves defense and 3pt shooting.
You don't get roster spots as a rookie for being a late second round pick.
Theres no reason to give up your senior season to be a late second round/ free agent.
It's not a pressing opportunity.
I believe roughly 2/3s of 2nd rounders had guaranteed contracts.
And no I'm not arguing Garza is going to get picked highly, just pointing out the math on draft picks and their contracts is a lot different than it used to be.
While that may be true for you, there are literally dozens of kids every year that do it.
The fact that kids make decisions isn't a good argument in favor of something.
A pressing opportunity is one that won't be there again next year.
Some may have a pressing need which is not the same thing.
If he has a FA or 2nd round evaluation this year he has little to lose. He may not be a 1st round pick next year, but then again he may.
If he is a 2nd rd or FA this, barring injury, he doesn't fall from there. If G league or Europe this year, the same situation will be there next yr. If he stays and improves, his career earnings power is likely in the order of 5-10x. Lots of reasons to stay.
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Nobody said kids use "good arguments" to do something. It depends on what their goals are. Some college players have a primary goal of playing professionally. College success is secondary to them.
It's a complicated decision. There is always injury risk. There is also the financial aspect that dollars earned earliest in your career are the most valuable (in terms of long term investment return). Some kids just want to stay in college and enjoy being a kid. I gave up a long time ago trying to project my personal values on to their individual unknown situations and priorities.
I think a lot of people are looking at it wrong, in relation to his offense.
He is already a good shooter, he needs to become a great shooter. Defense, passing, and rebounding won't be his strong spots in the pros (yes I know he averaged 9.8 rebounds this season), so he needs to be great/elite at one thing - shooting. 40% or higher from behind the arc.
He is already a good shooter, he needs to become a great shooter. Defense, passing, and rebounding won't be his strong spots in the pros (yes I know he averaged 9.8 rebounds this season), so he needs to be great/elite at one thing - shooting. 40% or higher from behind the arc.
Oh boy. What advantage do the colleges get from acting as minor leagues for the pros. Especially when a star player leaves early, Yes a college may get more notice from a recruit when he sees that this college gets noticed as producing pro players Bout all, that I can see.
That is interesting. Definitely not the way it used to be.
I'd be curious to know what the average was for the last 5 years and which way its trending or if 19 was an outlier.
If 2019 becomes the norm than it makes more sense leaving early I guess.
Still I'd want pretty solid info indicating I was a priority to a team in the second round.
