Georgia State Park will not remove Confederate Flag under any circumstances.

[Arbitr8]

http://www.opposingviews.com/i/society/memorials-confederate-flag-joins-debate


Georgia’s Stone Mountain Park, which features a massive relief carving of Confederate notables Stonewall Jackson, Robert E. Lee and Jefferson Davis, is the next site of the controversial Confederate flag debate.

While many are calling for the Confederate memorial to pull down its multiple flags, the park technically cannot do so because, just like at the South Carolina state capitol, state law prevents anyone from taking down the flags, explained Bill Stephens, chief executive officer of the Stone Mountain Memorial Association, to ABC News.

Donated by the United Daughters of the Confederacy in 1964, the flags under Georgia law are considered to be a memorial and cannot be removed or relocated, Stephens said.

Stephens pointed out, "[T]he law that changed the flag to our current state flag also expressly prohibited changes at Stone Mountain Park. Some on both sides of these issues have said that these Confederate symbols belong in a museum. Here in Georgia, Stone Mountain Park serves that purpose," he told ABC News.

 

[KitingHigh]

It would be hard to imagine anything more asinine than removing the flag from that park.

 

[strummingram]

Stone Mountain is basically a Museum. A big, outdoor museum.

 

[SoDakHawk]

It won't be good enough. Some people won't be happy until the relief is dynamited.

 

[lucas80]

To be more accurate they should carve a relief out showing Sherman and Sheridan shredding their way through Georgia from the mountains just south of Chattanooga to the Atlantic Ocean. Except they don't have enough mountains to carve the true history of the war.

 

[TJ8869]

It would be hard to imagine anything more asinine than removing the flag from that park.

It would also be hard to imagine anything more difficult than removing that flag. The logistics of taking it down would test the limits of human achievement.

 

[ANYCHawk]

It would also be hard to imagine anything more difficult than removing that flag. The logistics of taking it down would test the limits of human achievement.

Not that I disagree with the leave it crowd..but if it got up somehow there's gotta to be a way to take it down

 

[TJ8869]

Not that I disagree with the leave it crowd..but if it got up somehow there's gotta to be a way to take it down

I think you underestimate just how difficult it is to move a flag once it has been installed. It's damn near impossible. When South Carolina tried to move their Confederate flag to half staff, four workers died and two more were rushed to the hospital with life threatening injuries. Moving a flag is an excruciating experience that requires elite skill, technique, and caution.

 

[HotelAlphaWilcoKilo]

Stone Mountain is basically a Museum. A big, outdoor museum.

With a laser show. They had one 20 years ago, anyway.

 

[strummingram]

With a laser show. They had one 20 years ago, anyway.

Yep... a Christmas laser show 10 years ago.

 

[KitingHigh]

I think you underestimate just how difficult it is to move a flag once it has been installed. It's damn near impossible. When South Carolina tried to move their Confederate flag to half staff, four workers died and two more were rushed to the hospital with life threatening injuries. Moving a flag is an excruciating experience that requires elite skill, technique, and caution.

Bless your heart.

 

[CarolinaHawkeye]

I think you underestimate just how difficult it is to move a flag once it has been installed. It's damn near impossible. When South Carolina tried to move their Confederate flag to half staff, four workers died and two more were rushed to the hospital with life threatening injuries. Moving a flag is an excruciating experience that requires elite skill, technique, and caution.

Yes but they were South Carolinians.

 

[TJ8869]

Bless your heart.

Lol. Just admit it was a stupid excuse and I'll be happy to drop the subject.

 

[KitingHigh]

Lol. Just admit it was a stupid excuse and I'll be happy to drop the subject.

If it was an excuse it would be stupid. Of course they could rig a halyard on it fairly easily, assuming they had the 2/3 majority vote to do so. It probably isn't equipped that way to make it harder for people like that girl to take it down.

It wasn't an excuse though. It was a statement. The flag is not currently equipped to be lowered because it is never lowered. It isn't lowered on 911. It isn't lowered on Pearl Harbor day. It isn't lowered on Memorial day. It isn't lowered. It has never been lowered, not even on Confederate Memorial Day. It hasn't been lowered since the day it went up on that pole. It is not an official federal or state flag and it is at a memorial, not on the capitol. That it wasn't lowered on that day has absolutely no significance and the writer was just trying to make a non-issue into a volatile statement. He didn't write that article for those other days. He had an agenda and was trying to make news rather than report news.

 

[SoDakHawk]

It won't be good enough. Some people won't be happy until the relief is dynamited.

Well, I sure hit this nail on the head.

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2015/07/1...derate-sculpture-in-public/?intcmp=latestnews

 

[CarolinaHawkeye]

Why don't they want American heroes instead of traitorous heroes?

 

[thewop]

For the unversed, when a southerner says "bless your heart" it's basically the same as saying "you're retarded."

 

[IMCC965]

So we are now in the business of wiping out American history? That is so Stalinesque of us. We should be proud of ourselves.

 

[lucas80]

So we are now in the business of wiping out American history? That is so Stalinesque of us. We should be proud of ourselves.

Celebrate those who committed treason and symbols of racial violence, or erase history? It's a fine line.

 

[Jerome Silberman]

For the unversed, when a southerner says "bless your heart" it's basically the same as saying "you're retarded."

Isn't it predominantly a Southern female phrase like; "I need more tampons, put some in the buggy", "Quiet, Mama's fixing to watch her stories", or "Please don't hit me in front of the kids, I love you Jim Bob"?

 

[thewop]

Isn't it predominantly a Southern female phrase like; "I need more tampons, put some in the buggy", "Quiet, Mama's fixing to watch her stories", or "Please don't hit me in front of the kids, I love you Jim Bob"?

yes, it's definitely used more frequently by women. You can also tag it on to the end of an insult to make it sound nicer..."He's so dumb bless his heart." "He's too fat to fit on an airplane bless his heart."

 

[naturalmwa]

So we are now in the business of wiping out American history? That is so Stalinesque of us. We should be proud of ourselves.

This is ironic.

 

[strummingram]

Why don't they want American heroes instead of traitorous heroes?

For the same reason there aren't monuments or statues of Patrick Henry or Nathan Hale in London.

 

[shank hawk]

What really bothers people who hate the confederate flag is that those who dwell below the Mason-Dixon Line aren't following the unwritten rules of war.

You see, the winners are supposed to write the history, and the losers are supposed to accept this version of history as the unwashed, unbiased truth. And to add insult to injury, they're expected to obediently pass it on to their children and to their children's children. Just like black people were expected to shut their mouths and get to the back of the bus, the sons and daughters of the confederacy should embrace being put in their place too.

They should cling to their heritage regarding this ugly chapter in American 'history'. At least they still have a bit of the blood of their revolutionary forefathers coursing through their veins.

Unlike those stubborn southerners, the rest of America has become a bunch of politically correct pussies.

 

[maxwellsilverhammer]

When will we have a memorial to Lee Harvey Oswald, Sara Jane Moore, Samuel Byck, Squeaky Fromme, Charley Guiteau, and that all time hero, John Hinckley?

 

[strummingram]

Isn't it predominantly a Southern female phrase like; "I need more tampons, put some in the buggy", "Quiet, Mama's fixing to watch her stories", or "Please don't hit me in front of the kids, I love you Jim Bob"?

yes, it's definitely used more frequently by women. You can also tag it on to the end of an insult to make it sound nicer..."He's so dumb bless his heart." "He's too fat to fit on an airplane bless his heart."

It's so nice to see Northerners, who claim to be so morally superior to everyone else, not resorting to social stereotypes. or, in this case, using them. I'm glad they prefer maintaining the high road.

 

[strummingram]

And, look! It gets better! Now, some guilt-ridden white people in Memphis are deciding to dig-up the bones of Bedford Forrest and his wife and move them away so as to no longer put the bad voodoo on their park.

At least they're okay with their current government killing innocent people and their currency being devalued on a daily basis. Let's stay focused on bones in the ground for over a century. That will fix everything.

 

[thewop]

It's so nice to see Northerners, who claim to be so morally superior to everyone else, not resorting to social stereotypes. or, in this case, using them. I'm glad they prefer maintaining the high road.

I never claimed northerners were morally superior. I accept all the rest of your sarcasm as fact.

 

[strummingram]

What really bothers people who hate the confederate flag is that those who dwell below the Mason-Dixon Line aren't following the unwritten rules of war.

You see, the winners are supposed to write the history, and the losers are supposed to accept this version of history as the unwashed, unbiased truth. And to add insult to injury, they're expected to obediently pass it on to their children and to their children's children. Just like black people were expected to shut their mouths and get to the back of the bus, the sons and daughters of the confederacy should embrace being put in their place too.

They should cling to their heritage regarding this ugly chapter in American 'history'. At least they still have a bit of the blood of their revolutionary forefathers coursing through their veins.

Unlike those stubborn southerners, the rest of America has become a bunch of politically correct pussies.

I think in 100 years or so, the descendents of the people removing all of these monuments and flags will have their own "white guilt" about all of this and put all of these statues and monuments BACK up (at taxpayer's expense again) because they feel that the people who are okay with these monuments were being socially abused. It will be apocalyptically ironic!

 

[torbee]

This entire issue is so painfully dumb it hurts.

The "Southern Heritage" folks pretending the flag has nothing to do with white supremacy = DUMB

The whiny politically correct folks who want to remove a flag from a frigging monument = DUMB

If only there were some way where no one got what they wanted.....

 

[CarolinaHawkeye]

For the same reason there aren't monuments or statues of Patrick Henry or Nathan Hale in London.

A better example would be George III in Boston. But I digress.

 

[DanL53]

I say they keep the flag flying to remind themselves of how their Governor was one of the reasons the South lost the Civil War.

http://www.gacivilwar.org/story/joseph-brown

 

[strummingram]

A better example would be George III in Boston. But I digress.

Or that. You asked "Why?" I told you.

As impossible as it is for people born and raised in the Northern States (the same states during the Civil War) to understand, Shank Hawk actually summed it up well above. I have a feeling that there will always be a subtle rancor in the hearts and minds of the descendents of both sides against each other. I think the war was that profound and had such an impact. I also don't believe that people who are technically from states or places that came into prominence after the war will ever have the vaguest notion or understanding of either side's descendency and their attitudes about it. They will always be outside of it and probably better off for it.

 

[naturalmwa]

For the same reason there aren't monuments or statues of Patrick Henry or Nathan Hale in London.

This doesn't really work

 

[strummingram]

This doesn't really work

It does to answer the question "Why don't they put statues of their victor's up instead."

 

[WORTHYWISH]

 

[who r u]

with all this talk of removing and then replacing all of these monuments and statues has me thinking that this thread is better suited to be on the BWI message board. they are the true experts on all things statue and monument related.

 

[DanL53]

Or that. You asked "Why?" I told you.

As impossible as it is for people born and raised in the Northern States (the same states during the Civil War) to understand, Shank Hawk actually summed it up well above. I have a feeling that there will always be a subtle rancor in the hearts and minds of the descendents of both sides against each other. I think the war was that profound and had such an impact. I also don't believe that people who are technically from states or places that came into prominence after the war will ever have the vaguest notion or understanding of either side's descendency and their attitudes about it. They will always be outside of it and probably better off for it.

Good point. It reminded me of something I've noticed. Say one has a sore back, get's up in the middle of the night to take pain medication and on the way kicks the door sill with their little toe. One certainly forgets about the sore back for awhile!

When things get bad, like WW2, it seems the bitterness of memories goes away. Maybe, though I think things are getting bad in a hurry around here (the U.S.) maybe they aren't so noticeable just yet so we're bringing up the old pains?

I don't know. Just a thought. Should probably turn my attention to developing the steel toed slipper, or something just as effective.

 

[CarolinaHawkeye]

It does to answer the question "Why don't they put statues of their victor's up instead."

I never asked for statues of Civil War heroes. World War l and ll would suffice.

 

[strummingram]

Good point. It reminded me of something I've noticed. Say one has a sore back, get's up in the middle of the night to take pain medication and on the way kicks the door sill with their little toe. One certainly forgets about the sore back for awhile!

When things get bad, like WW2, it seems the bitterness of memories goes away. Maybe, though I think things are getting bad in a hurry around here (the U.S.) maybe they aren't so noticeable just yet so we're bringing up the old pains?

I don't know. Just a thought. Should probably turn my attention to developing the steel toed slipper, or something just as effective.

Beats hiring lawyers to file suits over things that offend you, but don't offend most people.