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Gheesh fatties, eat a salad
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Salads aren't necessarily healthy or low calorie. Especially if loaded with crispy chicken, cheese, and a healthy dose of ranch dressing. But some people see salad and think diet. As addressed previously people think if they give their kids oatmeal they are doing something good but if it is the instant oatmeal loaded with sugar not so much. I think that is why you will see less obesity among the more educated and well off. It is also easier to provide the types of healthy food that is needed when price isn't a factor. I'm still not where I want to be with my weight but at my annual physical yesterday all of my results were very good. I am on no meds, not health issues, nothing. At 51 I feel pretty good about that.
And she is probably the reason I'm not 25 lbs. heavier too!
The fat (obesity) is what creates the insulin resistance.
Lose the weight and you start addressing the problem.
He's big on veggies. But what distinguishes his pitch is that he looks for the studies that document benefit and harm.
I suggest going to his website or YouTube and watching some of his videos. Pick anything that looks interesting.
Here's a group of related videos I recently sent to my sister (easy for me to cut and paste) that touch on inflammation. All interesting to me, but your mileage may vary.
I suggest starting with the last one.
https://nutritionfacts.org/video/ginger-for-osteoarthritis/
https://nutritionfacts.org/video/sesame-seeds-for-knee-osteoarthritis/
https://nutritionfacts.org/video/turmeric-curcumin-and-rheumatoid-arthritis/
https://nutritionfacts.org/video/turmeric-curcumin-and-osteoarthritis/
https://nutritionfacts.org/video/which-spices-fight-inflammation/
They ARE less expensive.
One pound of whole, steel cuts oats is $1 at the Sprouts market.
Can of beans or peas costs $0.50 to $0.80.
You can buy 5-6# of oats or 10 cans of veggies for the cost of one Extra Value McDs meal. Not at McDs of course.
One of Greger's interesting videos compares the nutritional value of canned beans vs dried beans.
Good news for us lazy types: not enough difference to worry about. Canned costs more, but still not a lot. And canned may have sodium levels some will want to avoid. But you can drain them and ditch a lot of the sodium. Yes you lose some of the nutrients, too, but not that much.
You guys are making me hungry for Chipotle.
And since I'm trying to be good, I'll get guacamole instead of meat.
And since I'm trying to be good, I'll get guacamole instead of meat.
Oats huh.....................are we gonna be f***ing horses now?
Nay.
(should it have been "Neigh"?)
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I was about 40 pounds lighter last year at this time. I was running treadmill or outdoors 5-6 times a week. Getting really busy at work on a project that left me physically sore for about 2 months, thought I was going to lose my mother this summer, just got me lazy and sloppy and gluttonous on the diet. I still am 50 pounds lighter than my heaviest weight.
I am doing Christmas Eve with my family, and Christmas Day I am going to do a round of Whole30 just to start to reign in my diet. I don't make excuses because I know exactly why I am a fatty. Its starting to become very uncomfortable in my body as it stands and I feel I am pretty much on the brink of just backsliding back to my original highest weight.
I am going to do Whole30 starting on Christmas. I attempted it a while back, wasn't ready to cut everything out but I made some unbelievable meals from the book. My spice collection exploded. It really helped me a lot with learning how to really cook.
That is incorrect, it is the insulin resistance that causes/accelerates fat accumulation. Address the insulin issue, meaning eating a low insulin diet, and pounds will start falling off of people who have ample amounts to lose.
It makes sense to me now why you think the way you do as you having this fact backwards. Want proof, skinny people can and do develop insulin resistance over time.
Again, no.
One of the unintended consequences of bariatric surgeries was that people started having more normal insulin metabolism. Losing the fat is the trigger - although the bariatric surgery triggered the change prior to losing weight, so the issue is indeed more complex.
Decrease in fat mass significantly affects circulating levels of adipocytokines, which favorably impact insulin resistance.
People who become morbidly obese trigger the insulin problems; it literally becomes a 'tipping point'.
Increased adipose tissue mass and obesity are closely related to insulin resistance and abnormalities in glucose metabolism. The risk of type 2 diabetes increases with increasing BMI (1).
You can find both of those quotes/articles with a simple Google search.
But the PC crowd condemns that as body shaming. You are correct, we shame smokers, but we now are taught to turn an eye and not address obesity because that would be body shaming.
I wonder how much of the blowback against body shaming is just clothing companies trying to sell more to fatties. I'm guessing that ashamed fatties buy less, whereas proud fatties probably splurge more.
Not a problem in a slim nation. But with half of us fat and that proportion growing, you have to be able to market to fat people.
According to the BMI chart I'm too short.
Joe...insulin resistance has been show to be able to be passed down in utero, are you suggesting those babies are obese?
Another example is what happens to T2 diabetics when they start taking insulin to help control their blood sugars, they GAIN WEIGHT. It is the added insulin that is signaling/causing the weight gain.
When one develops insulin resistant they are secreting more insulin and that signals the body to gain more/hold onto their fat storage.
As to your suggestions on bariatric surgery of course they lose weight. They are eating way less and thus are lowering their insulin levels via the pancreas secreting less and less insulin. When they do that, keeping insulin low/lower, it accelerates their ability to drop weight.
Additionally, in many restaurants (especially in the Midwest), a “salad” is just iceberg lettuce with a couple grape tomatoes and onions. Iceberg lettuce has minimal nutritional value, and when combined with a bunch of dressing, is probably just as bad as the other crap on the menu.
No one is arguing there aren't multiple causes; obesity and too much fat is ONE of those, and people get too fat by eating poor diets, high in carbs.
If "in utero" diabetes was the ONLY cause, then losing weight would not alleviate the problem in many people - however, it does. Quit eating crap and exercise a little. Claiming people 'had no control' is nonsense. They choose the poor diets they eat.
Or they ate the govt recommended diet that didn’t fit their metabolic makeup. Then got shamed by society when it wasn’t working for them. They did eat less and exercise more and it ultimately didn’t matter bc that recommended diet was keeping them in a constant state of high circulating insulin.
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One more try: processed foods with white flour and lots of sugar are NOT part of the "grains" section of the food pyramid. Few people eat the proper grains - thinking WonderBread and Hot Pockets fill the "grains" section.
People got fat, because they ate very very poorly - few if any fruits and veggies; almost NO WHOLE GRAINS.
I keep doing stretching exercises for that reason.
Maybe I should invest in a rack. The medieval kind, not boobs.
Agree somewhat, but not all whole grains are good for you. White rice, for example,has a glycemic index around 80, while brown rice and quinoa are around 55 or so. I do agree that the biggest problem for many is the reliance on highly processed foods.
The other "food" that had probably contributed more than anything to the problem, is sugared sodas. Crazy high glycemic index for sugar-water (fruit juice is literally the same). And people slamming Big Gulps of 32-48oz of sugar along with their McDs burgers quite literally triggers massive fat storage.
And yet people scream at efforts to limit soda sizes. Even though you can still buy more (or sometimes even get free refills).
Priorities. Clearly all government efforts to avert the obesity crisis and related health disasters are "socialism" and must be fought with all the passion of defeating the dirty commies and defending Trump's right to profit from being president.
Yeah, but I'd go a little further than pop. I had a health insurance exec (also a doctor) show me a chart once that showed obesity and high fructose corn syrup production in the US. Those two tracked each other almost identically since its introduction.
Corn syrup being much cheaper than cane sugar is indeed how/why it migrated into packaged foods and non-diet sodas. And sugary carb-filled treats/foods sell.
