Gilman's thoughts on the Pokes

[Kwoodhawk]

Well, that about wraps it up for this thread. Everyone is in agreement that they wanna see Gman win a nc.

I'll see that the Board Secretary issues the necessary Permission slip from us to win. But we haven't reached a consensus yet, I don't think, on whether he can talk about it afterwards or not.

So of course that Permission slip won't be issued yet. So.......... until we make our final decision.......

 

[EWCEWC60]

We need that redneck guy that used to frequent these boards to dumb it up a bit so that everyone can understand Mr Gilman. The guy with the Mullet standing on front of his truck.....need some truth serum from the heart....afterall it is time to nut up or shut up....right before we see #1 and #2...don't get scared girls...other than at Big Tens and NCAA's this is what we all yearn. A shot at #1 and #2 and an opportunity to come out on top. I am ok w the way he fires up himself, teamates and other team. Afterall you want to beat them at the top of their game and leave no doubts...Go Hawks!

 

[T8KUDWN]

Personally, I like Gilman's style & I hate Okie St

 

[oldhawk56]

Suriano isn't near the scrambler Mega was... Yet.

I am pretty damn impressed w Soriano as a true freshman. He is gonna be a beast.

 

[oldhawk56]

Personally, I like Gilman's style & I hate Okie St

I think John Smith has done a great job at OSU. They are light years above the "old school" pokes who made stalling and wrestling the edge into an art form.

 

[Stanley75]

I am pretty damn impressed w Soriano as a true freshman. We is gonna be a beast.

I agree he will win it all next year. He will be tough out even at the end of this season.

 

[Chopper25]

Not a great comparison given McGregor is a World Champ. As noted, Gilman's biggest claim to fame is as a Midlands Champ.

I don't know if you will believe this, but McGregor was talking trash to EVERYONE before he even sniffed a world championship. Before he became world champion he was getting under Aldo's skin, some say that's why Aldo rushed him and got knocked out in 13 seconds. I'm sure if you know who McGregor is you probably would agree he didn't begin talking trash when he became a world champ. It sure made him a star though.

 

[slushhead]

I don't see it that way. Gilman is rare commodity in today's society...he says what he means. He's self critical when called for, he has called out his teammates when needed and that's just how he sees Okie State right or wrong. Most importantly...he puts his name to it and he did not go after individuals. For the record, I disagree with Gilman about Okie State...at least this years guys but they do have that don't tie up, do the funk type stuff.

Bet he won't say that about Penn State.

If you were to ask me what the mission of the USAF, I would say it's to put bombs on target and blow things up and to kill the enemy. Pretty savage and an over simplification of what we do (we do a lot of other stuff) but when you ground it down to one or two sentences...that's the mission. Fly, fight, win.

So, I understand your point. But mine is that there should be a difference between what you think and do and what you say. Citing your USAF example (bolded) -- that's the mentality to be successful to get the job done. And getting the job done is critical. But as a leader of the USAF, you wouldn't be telling the papers all about how you're going to drop bombs on people's heads. You'd talk about executing a plan and protecting America's freedom. One message has a little more discipline and class than the other, right?

Personal preference. I'm in the camp that prefers more of the silent strength, less of the bravado. As you may have seen in the BWI thread, I have strong convictions about sportsmanship. Not saying I'm special, just explaining my opinion.

 

[oldhawk56]

Don't post frequently on here but always read and I enjoy most of the posters, especially stuff from Azchief and Gobblin and several others. I tend to come down on Gobblin's side in this discussion. First, I have noticed no shortage of people "saying what is on their mind" (especially when protected by internet anonymity) so Gilman's "frankness" doesn't strike me as refreshing. It sometimes seems to me that we live in world where everyone feels compelled to say whatever pops into their brain. A little more old fashioned politeness would be nice sometimes.

Second, it will more of a test of being "telling it like it is" if he tells the media before the PSU meet that he admires the hell out of the way PSU guys go for the kill and wrestle to dominate, not just win, and that he wishes all of his teammates wrestled that way. Otherwise I would say his "honesty" is kinda situational. Go ahead and call me Nancy too, but I grew up with the idea respecting your opponent. That is right up till the time you walk on the mat. Then you disrespect the crap out of him up until the moment when it is time to respectfully shake his hand (his broken, mangled hand dangling loosely from his limp, unconscious body that is).

Love watching Gilman wrestle and wish all Hawks had the same aggressive attitude, but if having the Brands brothers as you coaches doesn't bring that out, I doubt Gilman's little rants will do much good.

I liked the old school stuff - show up, dominate, go home. Don't need to tell people how tuff you are they can figure it out themselves. Randy Lewis, the Banachs, mike Deanna, those guys didn't feel the need to talk shit and they were actually great sports winning or losing (rarely lost). Gilman is who is and that's fine some people like showmanship that's ok too but I have seen waaay too many people in the stands get a little carried away. If you want to see a bunch of douchie bad asses then watch WWF

 

[Azchief32]

So, I understand your point. But mine is that there should be a difference between what you think and do and what you say. Citing your USAF example (bolded) -- that's the mentality to be successful to get the job done. And getting the job done is critical. But as a leader of the USAF, you wouldn't be telling the papers all about how you're going to drop bombs on people's heads. You'd talk about executing a plan and protecting America's freedom. One message has a little more discipline and class than the other, right?

Patton, Schwarzkopf, MacArthur etc were not well known for their diplomacy or mincing of words. Yesterday, we had General Mattis, USMC (ret) (great quotes) testify before the Senate for SECDEF. Here are some of his:


“Find the enemy that wants to end this experiment (in American democracy) and kill every one of them until they’re so sick of the killing that they leave us and our freedoms intact.”

“I don’t lose any sleep at night over the potential for failure. I cannot even spell the word.”

“I come in peace. I didn’t bring artillery. But I’m pleading with you, with tears in my eyes: If you **** with me, I’ll kill you all.”

“Be polite, be professional, but have a plan to kill everybody you meet.” (My favorite)

"I would rather have a German Division in front of me than a French one behind me." Patton

In times of peace, we want the front men, diplomatic guys who can testify in front of Congress and get $$$, look good on TV, and not remind Americans that they are doing it to buy weapons to kill people. These men and women rose up through the ranks because of their political skill, right jobs, right mentors and they didn't f*ck up. Very careful. In times of war, we want the Pattons, MacArthurs etc...Quite often, they are tough minded SOBs who care more about results rather than message discipline. Best commander I ever had was a hard nosed, picky bastard with some of the highest standards I've ever seen in the military...but I didn't doubt for a minute his loyalty or love for those he commanded. He ended up a Lt General.

I do my job, don't need recognition but would rather it be given to my lower ranking people. I am quiet, patient, have a good ear but have no problem telling it straight both up and down the chain if I have to. But I get you...outside of Boxing, not a lot of smack talking in sports when we grew up. Now it seems the rule.

So if Gilman put that out there to light a fire under his guys butts...a burning of the ships so to speak, than I'm all for it. Just saying...he's Iowa's SOB and seems ok with the role.

 

[slushhead]

Patton, Schwarzkopf, MacArthur etc were not well known for their diplomacy or mincing of words. Yesterday, we had General Mattis, USMC (ret) (great quotes) testify before the Senate for SECDEF. Here are some of his:


“Find the enemy that wants to end this experiment (in American democracy) and kill every one of them until they’re so sick of the killing that they leave us and our freedoms intact.”

“I don’t lose any sleep at night over the potential for failure. I cannot even spell the word.”

“I come in peace. I didn’t bring artillery. But I’m pleading with you, with tears in my eyes: If you **** with me, I’ll kill you all.”

“Be polite, be professional, but have a plan to kill everybody you meet.” (My favorite)

"I would rather have a German Division in front of me than a French one behind me." Patton

In times of peace, we want the front men, diplomatic guys who can testify in front of Congress and get $$$, look good on TV, and not remind Americans that they are doing it to buy weapons to kill people. These men and women rose up through the ranks because of their political skill, right jobs, right mentors and they didn't f*ck up. Very careful. In times of war, we want the Pattons, MacArthurs etc...Quite often, they are tough minded SOBs who care more about results rather than message discipline. Best commander I ever had was a hard nosed, picky bastard with some of the highest standards I've ever seen in the military...but I didn't doubt for a minute his loyalty or love for those he commanded. He ended up a Lt General.

I do my job, don't need recognition but would rather it be given to my lower ranking people. I am quiet, patient, have a good ear but have no problem telling it straight both up and down the chain if I have to. But I get you...outside of Boxing, not a lot of smack talking in sports when we grew up. Now it seems the rule.

So if Gilman put that out there to light a fire under his guys butts...a burning of the ships so to speak, than I'm all for it. Just saying...he's Iowa's SOB and seems ok with the role.

Damn, man, I feel like I just got Nolfed. I surrender.

 

[Flying_Tiger]

Life and Death - College Wrestling Match; yea, that's a rational comparison I'd like to see him run into the enemy's foxhole to stir up trouble right before a battle and see how that works out for him.

 

[Kwoodhawk]

Life and Death - College Wrestling Match; yea, that's a rational comparison I'd like to see him run into the enemy's foxhole to stir up trouble right before a battle and see how that works out for him.

You mean like you're doing right now???

Here in the Midwest I think we call it irony.

I guess out East you call it "We Are"........

 

[Azchief32]

Life and Death - College Wrestling Match; yea, that's a rational comparison I'd like to see him run into the enemy's foxhole to stir up trouble right before a battle and see how that works out for him.

Yes...cause I was comparing college wrestling to life and death combat and not talking about straight talk and it's role in being a leader in today's society. Damn FT...your first post over here in awhile and the point totally flew right by you. Perhaps you should stay in the kiddie pool over on The Mat?

 

[Azchief32]

Damn, man, I feel like I just got Nolfed. I surrender.

Sorry bro...I often go off on tangents. You are an awesome poster...respectful on here and BWI. I just think Iowa guys are going to get it no matter what...joyless when they get their hand raised and run quickly off the mat, robots when they answer questions the same way in a monotone voice or smack talkers. No win situation.

 

[PapaBearSLIM]

Zane Richards falls on Gilman's side on this.

 

[Stanley75]

So, I understand your point. But mine is that there should be a difference between what you think and do and what you say. Citing your USAF example (bolded) -- that's the mentality to be successful to get the job done. And getting the job done is critical. But as a leader of the USAF, you wouldn't be telling the papers all about how you're going to drop bombs on people's heads. You'd talk about executing a plan and protecting America's freedom. One message has a little more discipline and class than the other, right?

Personal preference. I'm in the camp that prefers more of the silent strength, less of the bravado. As you may have seen in the BWI thread, I have strong convictions about sportsmanship. Not saying I'm special, just explaining my opinion.

Kind of like a serial killer you won't hear them say what they think?

 

[hawkster03]

I agree, we need more Gilmans! He talks like he wrestles and wrestles like he talks. Which is, "I'm gonna rip your arm off and beat you with it until you give up."

That to me is IOWA STYLE.

 

[Kwoodhawk]

You mean like you're doing right now???

Here in the Midwest I think we call it irony.

I guess out East you call it "We Are"........

You see every time you and your PSU buddies come post over here.......

It's just like Gilman going into the other teams huddle to shake hands. That's how you look to us.

 

[slushhead]

Sorry bro...I often go off on tangents. You are an awesome poster...respectful on here and BWI. I just think Iowa guys are going to get it no matter what...joyless when they get their hand raised and run quickly off the mat, robots when they answer questions the same way in a monotone voice or smack talkers. No win situation.

Ha, no worries -- you just went into an area where I shouldn't pretend to have a lot of knowledge . . .

Appreciate the compliment...although you should probably be careful, cuz I've been holding onto an Iowa-based "fake news" idea in my back pocket for awhile now, and you guys will probably hate me when I eventually find the creative energy to write it up. . Not to say a bunch of fans (Hawks or otherwise) don't already detest some of my work.

Seriously, though, can't wait for next Friday -- it should be a pretty intense dual. Hopefully we won't all be clawing at one another's throats for too long afterward. Good luck to you guys tomorrow.

 

[anon_0pi0cv8t1ggvb]

Yet he's never backed it up... Gilmans biggest accomplishment in a Iowa singlet so far is 3x Midlands champion. He speaks like he's Metcalf, Ironside, or the Brands brothers as seniors. He isn't. His talk hasn't matched his results. I think he'd be best suited to put his ego aside and produce an accomplishment worthy of the talk.

For the record, Conor McGregor spoke with that confidence before ever backing it up. He was incredibly confident even before he was in the UFC. IMO, the sport and life in general is better with different personalities. I love Gilman. He's confident, arrogant, hard nosed. I also love Sorensen. You'll never hear Sorensen speak the way Gilman does. Sorensen just goes out on the mat and grinds people out and is absolutely tough as nails. Not every wrestler should have the same cookie cutter personality.

Just like with MMA, you have Conor McGregor, then you have people like GSP and Fedor. All three are amazing athletes and amazing personalities even though they're extremely different. People arguing that Gilman shouldn't speak this way are taking life too seriously. This is a sport after all. It's supposed to be entertaining for both the fans and athletes.

 

[WidespreadGeo]

HAHAHAHA! I love a cocky asshat.

 

[pumpdog20]

I agree, we need more Gilmans! He talks like he wrestles and wrestles like he talks. Which is, "I'm gonna rip your arm off and beat you with it until you give up."

That to me is IOWA STYLE.

I agree. Right now, I'll just take 9 others who wrestle like Gilman.