Gitmo prisoners to the US

[Vroom_C14]

The Senate on Tuesday passed and will send to the White House a broad defense policy bill that would block the President from bringing terrorism suspects held in Guantanamo Bay, Cuba, to the United States.

Unknown is whether President Barack Obama -- who made closing the detention center a key campaign promise -- will veto the bill or sign it despite the Gitmo restrictions.

The overwhelming and bipartisan vote was 91 to 3, which means it has more than enough supporters to override a presidential veto.

Congressional Republicans are bracing this week for what they fear will be a decision by the President to cite his executive authority and order the prison closed.

"I think that's likely from everything he's said," said Sen. Richard Burr, R-North Carolina, who chairs the intelligence committee.

But it was not clear if the President planned to issue such an order or simply release a plan to Congress with recommendations for how to close the controversial base. The recommendations, which come from the Department of Defense, are expected to list pros and cons of possible places to house detainees within the U.S., including locations in Kansas, South Carolina and Colorado.

http://www.cnn.com/2015/11/10/politics/senate-passes-defense-bill/index.html
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The vote against this speaks volumes.

 

[moral_victory]

The votes against were made by Sen. Bernie Sanders, Sen. Jeff Merkley and Sen. Ron Wyden.

 

[Greenway12]

Obama will just contact Libya and exchange the rest of the gitmo prisoners for a potted plant.

 

[cigaretteman]

Dumb. But unfortunately, popular. NIMBY lives.

 

[IACub]

What is the argument against housing them on US soil?

 

[Lone Clone]

The president simply will ignore it.

 

[Vroom_C14]

What is the argument against housing them on US soil?

Why in the world you would bring these enemy combatants to domestic soil is mindboggling. This is nothing short of gambling national security to keep a campaign promise," said Sen. Tim Scott, R-South Carolina.

Sen. Pat Roberts of Kansas, which is home to a major Army prison at Fort Leavenworth, suggested any prison that held terrorism suspects would be subject to attack by other terrorists.

 

[IACub]

Why in the world you would bring these enemy combatants to domestic soil is mindboggling. This is nothing short of gambling national security to keep a campaign promise," said Sen. Tim Scott, R-South Carolina.

Sen. Pat Roberts of Kansas, which is home to a major Army prison at Fort Leavenworth, suggested any prison that held terrorism suspects would be subject to attack by other terrorists.

Ah, so it's a political issue. Got it.

Is there any credible evidence that any terrorist anywhere has the capability or desire to attack a maximum security prison halfway around the world from their base of operations? No? Didn't think so.

I could care less if there's a prison for terrorists in my back yard. In fact, if I'm listening to Fox News and think that ISIS is coming tomorrow, I'd almost want it there, since it would probably be guarded by Marines.

On second thoughts, there would probably be a lot of lights. So maybe not right in my back yard.

 

[Vroom_C14]

Ah, so it's a political issue. Got it.

Is there any credible evidence that any terrorist anywhere has the capability or desire to attack a maximum security prison halfway around the world from their base of operations? No? Didn't think so.

I could care less if there's a prison for terrorists in my back yard. In fact, if I'm listening to Fox News and think that ISIS is coming tomorrow, I'd almost want it there, since it would probably be guarded by Marines.

On second thoughts, there would probably be a lot of lights. So maybe not right in my back yard.

I give you 9-11 as an example that they can and have attacked - not a prison, but from half way around the world. Wouldn't take much to divert a plane towards a prison vs a high rise.

Are you one of those that is "lets see if they do it"? If you want to keep the prisoners in your home and see if it happens - have at it. I would rather they stay in Gitmo and not take up our prison space. I am guessing that once they are here they will assume all the same rights that the current prisoners have and probably even invoke change within the system to appease their desires.

 

[IACub]

I give you 9-11 as an example that they can and have attacked - not a prison, but from half way around the world. Wouldn't take much to divert a plane towards a prison vs a high rise.

Are you one of those that is "lets see if they do it"? If you want to keep the prisoners in your home and see if it happens - have at it. I would rather they stay in Gitmo and not take up our prison space. I am guessing that once they are here they will assume all the same rights that the current prisoners have and probably even invoke change within the system to appease their desires.

I guess I've just always thought that Guantanamo Bay was such a strange place. It's a US base essentially there illegally in a little chunk of a country we invaded that doesn't recognize our right to be there. Just seems weird.

 

[SigMaintHawk]

Ah, so it's a political issue. Got it.

Is there any credible evidence that any terrorist anywhere has the capability or desire to attack a maximum security prison halfway around the world from their base of operations? No? Didn't think so.

I could care less if there's a prison for terrorists in my back yard. In fact, if I'm listening to Fox News and think that ISIS is coming tomorrow, I'd almost want it there, since it would probably be guarded by Marines.

On second thoughts, there would probably be a lot of lights. So maybe not right in my back yard.

I live less than 2 miles from Ft Leavenworth/Fed pen. I don't want them anywhere near here. Put the pieces of crap in the "Supermax" out in Co.

 

[Vroom_C14]

I vote for Atlantis - put them down there!

 

[IACub]

I live less than 2 miles from Ft Leavenworth/Fed pen. I don't want them anywhere near here. Put the pieces of crap in the "Supermax" out in Co.

Honest question - Is there something specific you fear? Or is it more a potential that something could happen? If it's the latter, why would you live near a prison to begin with?

 

[SigMaintHawk]

Honest question - Is there something specific you fear? Or is it more a potential that something could happen? If it's the latter, why would you live near a prison to begin with?

Don't want to deal with all the constant media crap. The prisons are located off of the main road entering Leavenworth on the North part of town
When the cupcake-Manning-was brought here, the media swarmed the area. Protestors are drawn to this crap. It is more of an ease of life type of thing.

 

[LuteHawk]

The buzz in the White House is that these terrorist Muslims
will be sent to Colorado.

 

[IACub]

Don't want to deal with all the constant media crap. The prisons are located off of the main road entering Leavenworth on the North part of town
When the cupcake-Manning-was brought here, the media swarmed the area. Protestors are drawn to this crap. It is more of an ease of life type of thing.

I can dig it.

 

[tarheelbybirth]

Sen. Pat Roberts of Kansas, which is home to a major Army prison at Fort Leavenworth, suggested any prison that held terrorism suspects would be subject to attack by other terrorists.

Yeah...because they've been attacking all the prisons in the US that are CURRENTLY housing extremist Muslim terrorists.

 

[The Tradition]

What is the argument against housing them on US soil?

The real answer to that question is they'll be subject to U.S. civilian court jurisprudence instead of the military justice system.

 

[22*43*51]

I'm sure the Aryan Brotherhood and La Raza will roll out the welcome mat for these extremists.

 

[IACub]

The real answer to that question is they'll be subject to U.S. civilian court jurisprudence instead of the military justice system.

Ah, so we can't continue to hold them indefinitely without trial?

 

[The Tradition]

Ah, so we can't continue to hold them indefinitely without trial?

Correct.

 

[mnole03]

Yeah...because they've been attacking all the prisons in the US that are CURRENTLY housing extremist Muslim terrorists.

The ADX in Florence is more than equipped to handle this type of prisoner, but it's not that big.

 

[Lone Clone]

Ah, so it's a political issue. Got it.

Is there any credible evidence that any terrorist anywhere has the capability or desire to attack a maximum security prison halfway around the world from their base of operations? No? Didn't think so.

I could care less if there's a prison for terrorists in my back yard. In fact, if I'm listening to Fox News and think that ISIS is coming tomorrow, I'd almost want it there, since it would probably be guarded by Marines.

On second thoughts, there would probably be a lot of lights. So maybe not right in my back yard.

It's a political issue, just as it would be a political issue if the president decided to move the inhabitants of a federal prison death row to your basement.

 

[IACub]

It's a political issue, just as it would be a political issue if the president decided to move the inhabitants of a federal prison death row to your basement.

Heck, I'm not really using it. As long as they keep it down and I can still go down to do laundry.

 

[rchawk]

There was a good editorial in the WSJ today about the power of congress to dictate where prisoners of war are confined. They can declare war but war measures are under the jurisdiction of the Commander in Chief. I suspect the Supreme Court would agree.

Obama can send the Gitmo terrorists to Fort Leavenworth if he wants to, and that might be a good idea. I've never been there, but Dad was through a business contract. He said Leavenworth is scary-bad, anybody who goes in there ain't coming out until the law decides to let him out.

 

[lucas80]

Of course they can't come here. They are being held indefinitely without charges at Guantanamo, and for many of them the "evidence", that would be used against them was obtained via torture, and would be inadmissible in a US court. That's if there is evidence at all. Some are there for the most dubious of reasons. Even in a military tribunal on US soil the issues get really ticklish.
That panty wetting on this board about fears of terrorist attack is comical. Some of you watch too many movies where N. Korean terrorists can seize the White House using AC130 gunships. If they were brought to the US (Take away the legal arguments), they'd sit there in anonymity like all the other prisoners housed in Federal prisons. How many interviews have you read given by Richard Reid, Zacarias Moussaoui, Johnny Walker Lindh or Omar Abdel-Rahman? What's Terry Nichols thoughts about all this? We don't know because they are all locked up and severely restricted in their personal movements and communication. I must have missed the news reports of how attempts to free them by armed terrorist attack was foiled.
How much money is wasted keeping prisoners in Cuba under the false guise of security? We have multiple facilities either under military control or in the Federal prison system that could absorb the Guantanamo detainees.

 

[Vroom_C14]

Honest question - Is there something specific you fear? Or is it more a potential that something could happen? If it's the latter, why would you live near a prison to begin with?

Of course they can't come here. They are being held indefinitely without charges at Guantanamo, and for many of them the "evidence", that would be used against them was obtained via torture, and would be inadmissible in a US court. That's if there is evidence at all. Some are there for the most dubious of reasons. Even in a military tribunal on US soil the issues get really ticklish.
That panty wetting on this board about fears of terrorist attack is comical. Some of you watch too many movies where N. Korean terrorists can seize the White House using AC130 gunships. If they were brought to the US (Take away the legal arguments), they'd sit there in anonymity like all the other prisoners housed in Federal prisons. How many interviews have you read given by Richard Reid, Zacarias Moussaoui, Johnny Walker Lindh or Omar Abdel-Rahman? What's Terry Nichols thoughts about all this? We don't know because they are all locked up and severely restricted in their personal movements and communication. I must have missed the news reports of how attempts to free them by armed terrorist attack was foiled.
How much money is wasted keeping prisoners in Cuba under the false guise of security? We have multiple facilities either under military control or in the Federal prison system that could absorb the Guantanamo detainees.

Then why don't you offer to house them? No big deal right? You obviously don't mind them around your kids, family, friends... I am sure the government will even pay you to house them.

 

[The Tradition]

If they were brought to the US (Take away the legal arguments), they'd sit there in anonymity like all the other prisoners housed in Federal prisons. How many interviews have you read given by Richard Reid, Zacarias Moussaoui, Johnny Walker Lindh or Omar Abdel-Rahman? What's Terry Nichols thoughts about all this? We don't know because they are all locked up and severely restricted in their personal movements and communication.

And yet, we get weekly updates on Chelsea Manning's thoughts and personal struggles.

Here's the latest:

https://www.yahoo.com/politics/chelsea-manning-feels-like-a-1294507071078454.html

 

[aflachawk]

Ah, so it's a political issue. Got it.

Is there any credible evidence that any terrorist anywhere has the capability or desire to attack a maximum security prison halfway around the world from their base of operations? No? Didn't think so.

I could care less if there's a prison for terrorists in my back yard. In fact, if I'm listening to Fox News and think that ISIS is coming tomorrow, I'd almost want it there, since it would probably be guarded by Marines.

On second thoughts, there would probably be a lot of lights. So maybe not right in my back yard.

No it's not political it's very possible. Let give you a scenario that may be more of a danger. Let's say a group of Islamists take over a grade school close to where prisoners are being held and Demand they be released and flown to a safe country or they blow up the school and kill all students. What would happen? What then if we comply and they complete their plans any way. We know they willing to die. That scenario is very possible. The best solution is to keep them where they are are.

 

[aflachawk]

Ah, so we can't continue to hold them indefinitely without trial?

Hell yes. It's usual that prisoners of war are held till the war is over. This is no different. Let the bastards die there.

 

[The Tradition]

Hell yes. It's usual that prisoners of war are held till the war is over. This is no different. Let the bastards die there.

Actually, prisoner swaps were quite common in the Civil War.

 

[NoleSoup4U]

Our prisons are already overflowing as it is.

 

[IACub]

No it's not political it's very possible. Let give you a scenario that may be more of a danger. Let's say a group of Islamists take over a grade school close to where prisoners are being held and Demand they be released and flown to a safe country or they blow up the school and kill all students. What would happen? What then if we comply and they complete their plans any way. We know they willing to die. That scenario is very possible. The best solution is to keep them where they are are.

What makes you think this will happen just because we move them? Why does the location where we're holding them matter in this scenario? Since this is hypothetical, couldn't the same thing happen while they're being held in Gitmo?

 

[tarheelbybirth]

Then why don't you offer to house them? No big deal right? You obviously don't mind them around your kids, family, friends... I am sure the government will even pay you to house them.

Are you high? Do you regularly have federal prisoners over for dinner?