I have made a few posts about what I thought about Richmond. Just happy they were the 12 seed and not 13. Hate to see what SDSU would have done to iowa.
Go figure, Richmond getting destroyed by the Friars
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They were missing shots ... which ultimately makes you look like you are not fresh. It's a narrative that fits after a team loses.
Baylor played hard today ... didn't make shots and got down 25. They made a furious comeback and tied the game late and EVERYONE thought they would win in overtime. Guess what? They missed shots and North Carolina won in overtime.
The game is the game. Teams that don't play well and don't shoot well lose in the tournament. Simple.
That’s a great question. If they played with the same energy as the BTT they’d probably be in the Sweet 16.
I posted this before todays embarrassment. Amazing how many people wanted to argue.
That’s not always true. Keegan’s first two shots weren’t even close on Thursday. Ohio St and Illinois both shot a worse percentage than Iowa yet won. Iowa’s body language from the tip on Thursday was not good and it was the whole team.
Keegan ended up shooting 8-15 for the game. Players miss shots ... Iowa had a 9-0 run early in the second half to take the lead. Richmond called timeout and Iowa looked energized ... because they hit 2 three pointers in a row. That happened too!
And then ... Richmond came back ... and made shots and won the game.
How about just say our entire b-ball program is a f’n train wreck. There’s NOTHING positive to come out of that loss.
The fact is that Iowa just didn’t take Richmond seriously. They played without any effort, they had no fortitude, no emotion. Just seemed like they didn’t even care about the game .
Come on now ... the players care more than you will ever care. Why did Iowa come back to take the lead in the second half if they didn't care?
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Our effort against Richmond was an anomaly for sure, if we could have played anywhere near how we did in the B1G tourney, we surely could hang with most teams.
Everyone saw that coming.
Richmond was really not a good team. Not trying to throw shade. They did enough to win and we played our collective worst game.
Richmond was really not a good team. Not trying to throw shade. They did enough to win and we played our collective worst game.
Why did they lose the lead again?Come on now ... the players care more than you will ever care. Why did Iowa come back to take the lead in the second half if they didn't care?
Why did they give the lead to Richmond in the first place?
The Hawks just didn’t play hard for the entire game. They were looking past Richmond, expecting them to just roll over for the mighty Hawkeyes. Iowa just got too full of themselves after winning the Big Ten tournament.
They were embarrassing. They should be ashamed of their so-called effort.
For some extra pain, Richmond shot 1 for 22 from three and their best player Gilyard finished with 4 points in 39 minutes.
Iowa wasn’t outplayed or out coached. They simply chose the wrong day to not hit 3’s.
I disagree ... they played hard, but not well. And didn't shoot well for the game. It happens. And, saying the players looked past Richmond is a cop out ... and it's lazy.
When you say they didn't have a good effort, then how did they manage to come back and take the lead? Was it an accident? Or, did they just try hard for a while?
This is like your argument with starting pitching in Cubs' threads. When a starter is bad, he wasn't trying his hardest. BS. He just had a bad game. It happens.
Disagree with you. I saw a team that wasn’t trying as hard as Richmond. Period. They were all full of themselves thinking it would be a cake walk.
That’s on Fran to adjust the plays so Keegan is posting up, gets double teamed, kicks the ball out or reverses it to the other side.
The other thing that pisses me off is watching all these teams in the tourney pass the ball instead of dribble, dribble, dribble, dribble, one pass and throw up a desperation shot like Iowa did on Thursday and during the season when they are playing against an athletic and physical defense. Shame on Fran for not making adjustments.
Last, it pisses me off seeing Purdue get a Friday/Sunday game while Iowa has to travel the farthest and play on Thursday/Saturday after playing on Sunday. The NCAA needs to reward teams that make their conference finals on Sunday by giving them the Friday play date and possibly closer locations then across the country.
Agree to disagree ...
You have no idea what it takes to play at any competitive level of sports. That's been proven over the years of your posts ... teams don't lose at that level because they don't try hard. They may be full of themselves, but that's part of what it takes to win at an elite level.
So, answer my question from another thread ... watch Gonzaga - Memphis and tell me the #1 seed doesn't care to win. They are just being outplayed ... period.
Lol
If a team scores more points than you do, defense is the reason you lost.
No college team is going deep in the tourney with a D efficiency in the 90s. Ever.
Is it time to get mad again? Great forethought for once from the Iowa marketing team.
FTFY. Wasn't just threes. They missed a ton of wide open jumpers. Really the worst I saw them shoot all season. The whole team...Really unfortunate.
The Hawks played fine defense. That wasn't the reason they lost.
They didn't hit open shots on offense or take advantage of mismatches enough down low.
Not when you shoot 36% for the game. Pretty hard to win with that regardless of your defense.
I don't disagree with your second statement, though.
Giving up multiple back door cuts is "fine defense." lol
Are you on the coaching staff?
When you are not making shots, you have to be able to stop the other team from scoring. Iowa couldn't do that.
Again, look at that Illinois debacle. With 12 minutes left in the first half, Illinois had 2 baskets from the field. Two. Two baskets from the field in 8 minutes even though they were getting good looks. Yet they were only down 4 points going into halftime. That was done with defense. They scored 54 points in 40 minutes of basketball. Just putrid by any measure. But they held their opponent to 20 pts in the 2d half and zero points from the field for the last 4 minutes of the game. That's winning with defense. It sure AF wasn't offense.
That's the difference between a top 25 D efficiency rating and a top 75 D efficiency rating. You can put the clamps on teams when your offense isn't flowing.
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Not in the Big conference tournament. And Richmond didn’t really play well against Iowa, either.
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Not trying to be a jerk, so I apologize if it comes off that way but that is a simplistic take. Iowa allowed 67 points. Iowa scored UNDER 67 points in two games all season: Iowa St. and Rutgers. Richmond did not pose the defensive threat of those teams. The Hawks shot 36% from the field and 21% from 3. Both WELL below average.
The defense had 5 steals, had more rebounds and cause 1 more turnover. The defense did improve quite a bit, especially in February and in key situations to win games. We won the BTT with this defense, no reason not to get to the 2nd weekend with it vs Richmond and Providence.
It's not simplistic at all. Read me edited post above. The defense improved for sure twords the end of the season. Part of the reason for our win streak. It just didn't improve enough to expect to weather a gimpy shooting night in a one and done situation.
I think there has been one final four team with a D efficiency rating above 25 in the last 10 years. One. You have to be good on both ends of the floor to make deep runs. That's all there is to it. No way around it.
Richmond shot 29/74, 42% from the 2 and 29% from the 3. They had 12 turnovers. The back door plays were frustrating but our defense didn’t cause us to lose. Our offense vastly underperformed.
But in this game I find it interesting that you blamed the defense when we gave up 67 points and had the statisical 3rd worst offensive showing of the season by over 10 points. This while the Hawks had one of their better statistical games defensively. I agree that the backdoor cuts needed to be cut down and settle for Richmond shooting from the outside. I just don't think I can blame the defense for the offensive performance.
I also don't think it was lack of hustle or effort. These guys have all given more to be the top level athletes they can be. I am not suggesting you said that but it has come up in other threads.
They gave up a couple back door cuts to a Princeton offense. Shocker. Even the best defenses do.
When you hold a team under their average points scored and force them to make difficult contested shots, that's good defense. Iowa did that. Richmond made some contested shots while Iowa missed a ton of uncontested shots.
It was the lack of offense that was the problem. It's very clear if you go rewatch the game.
We always lay big turds under Fran in the NCAA. Except the years we don't go.
12 years of nothing pretty much.
Iowa played their normal defense, which isn't that great. The 5 seniors for Richmond knew how to take care of the ball and generating turnovers is the only thing the Iowa defense has been good at.
Defense wins in NCAA games, because it shows up every game whereas 3pt shooting is highly variable. A top3 offense with 90th rated defense means you get bounced out early--defense has to better, offense can be worse.
The glaring issues all season was Rebraca post defense and requiring double teams, Pmac is a guy withought a position because he is 6'9 but doesn't like body contact. jbo overmatches athletically, Kris Murray tried too hard to make plays and picked up too many fouls/got a bad whistle, especially when he had to play post defense.
Fran made a decision to not try to develop Mulvey/JoshO for post defense...JBO was a 30+ minute player despite defense, and he gave free pass to PMAC to be soft in the paint. Were all those bad decisions, it is unknowable.
We do know Fran has 7 ncaas at Iowa and bounced out in 1st or 2nd game each time. It is a pattern and related to the team construction and Fran's system, although yes, if Iowa had shot better vs Richmond they would have won that game, and then probably would have been knocked out by Providence if they shot poorly.
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I have no doubt Providence would have handled us. At the end of the day we were still a #5 seed, so in my eyes bowing out early was not the biggest travesty in Iowa basketball history (in spite of Richmond not being good). Having said that, the day we are ever an #1 seed and bow out early, THEN I will be upset.
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