Gold medalist Algerian Boxer Imane Khelif Files Legal Complaint Over Online Harassment Following Gender Outcry

[cohawk]

The only thing that's immoral is a man beating up women

Or grown men continuing to disparage her even though she is a woman.

 

[Uniformed_ReRe]

Is my memory wrong, or were Trumpers defining male and female as "penis havers" and "vagina havers" up until this boxing match, when they suddenly started emphasizing chromosomes instead?

 

[MuscoHawk]

Are you proposing all female athletes be required to have testing to determine if they have XY chromosomes? Do you want the middle and high school athletic physicals to include genetic testing?

No, but I don’t think it’s outrageous to propose genetic testing for the Olympics.

Should a biological male with testosterone-producing testes be competing against women?

 

[gohawks50]

No, but I don’t think it’s outrageous to propose genetic testing for the Olympics.

Should a biological male with testosterone-producing testes be competing against women?

We're not talking about a biological male, we're talking about a women with with a vagina. If you think all females need to be tested to compete in the Olympics why stop there? The same women have been competing at the middle school, high school, and college levels. If it's so important for Olympic fairness, why isn't it important earlier in their careers? If you think this is absolutely necessary for fairness then every girl's sport at all levels should require this genetic testing.

I don't know if you were one of those complaining about the lack of answers to the question "what is a woman", but those that were have now added an additional requirement to their expected definition.

 

[Jerome Silberman]

We're not talking about a biological male, we're talking about a women with with a vagina. If you think all females need to be tested to compete in the Olympics why stop there? The same women have been competing at the middle school, high school, and college levels. If it's so important for Olympic fairness, why isn't it important earlier in their careers? If you think this is absolutely necessary for fairness then every girl's sport at all levels should require this genetic testing.

I don't know if you were one of those complaining about the lack of answers to the question "what is a woman", but those that were have now added an additional requirement to their expected definition.

I wouldn't waste any energy trying to understand, the goalposts will just move again. This rush to judgement and insistence on being owed an answer was the inevitable place for this to go once it jumped into the political and legal sphere.

This is precisely why seeds of doubt is an atrocious model for legislation. It places the onus of proof on the innocent once bad actors are aware of avenues that they can abuse.

 

[mro1978]

It was handled poorly in a way that was unfair to her.

Unfair to HER? Unfair to the women who were beaten to a pulp more like.

 

[mro1978]

. Do you think every female athlete should be required to have a chromosome test?

yes

 

[globalhawk]

yes

Should men with higher estrogen levels be banned from Olympic competition?

 

[MuscoHawk]

We're not talking about a biological male, we're talking about a women with with a vagina. If you think all females need to be tested to compete in the Olympics why stop there? The same women have been competing at the middle school, high school, and college levels. If it's so important for Olympic fairness, why isn't it important earlier in their careers? If you think this is absolutely necessary for fairness then every girl's sport at all levels should require this genetic testing.

I don't know if you were one of those complaining about the lack of answers to the question "what is a woman", but those that were have now added an additional requirement to their expected definition.

You’re really comparing the absolute highest level of athletic competition with 7th grade girls’ basketball? No, they should not adhere to the same standards. The Olympics requires greater scrutiny and testing.

 

[gohawks50]

yes

At least you are consistent, even if I don't agree. Do you have daughters?

 

[prlyles]

Is my memory wrong, or were Trumpers defining male and female as "penis havers" and "vagina havers" up until this boxing match, when they suddenly started emphasizing chromosomes instead?

Yeah, and I've read several doctors say that she could become pregnant by IVF and hormones.

 

[gohawks50]

You’re really comparing the absolute highest level of athletic competition with 7th grade girls’ basketball? No, they should not adhere to the same standards. The Olympics requires greater scrutiny and testing.

I've been told in the past that making sure middle and high school girl's sports are fair matters because of college scholarships. Do you disagree? I'm not sure the Olympics is the always highest level of competition when a group of WNBA all stars beat the gold medal team with very little practice time.

 

[ihhawk]

Is the guy banging her gay? Is mean, she has a vag but that’s like fuking Hulk Hogan with a Vag

 

[ClarindaA's]

Should men with higher estrogen levels be banned from Olympic competition?

No, no competitive advantage

 

[globalhawk]

No, no competitive advantage

How about in women?

 

[ClarindaA's]

How about in women?

Again, no competitive advantage that I’m aware of. Low estrogen can crash a libido and athletics wise makes your joints hurt. So I guess maybe there would be a slight decrease in joint pain, but b that happens at biologically normal levels.

 

[globalhawk]

Again, no competitive advantage that I’m aware of. Low estrogen can crash a libido and athletics wise makes your joints hurt. So I guess maybe there would be a slight decrease in joint pain, but b that happens at biologically normal levels.

You might want to do a quick Google search on competitive advantage amongst women.

 

[Whiskeydeltadeltatango]

You might want to do a quick Google search on competitive advantage amongst women.

In boxing

 

[globalhawk]

In boxing

Different rules for different sports?

 

[Whiskeydeltadeltatango]

Different rules for different sports?

At minimum

 

[Dr. Phil Seuss]

The soy around here is off the charts when you have a gaggle in here white knighting for this Algerian circus freak.

 

[globalhawk]

At minimum

What does that even mean?

 

[gohawks50]

Different rules for different sports?

They're flailing, all their previous arguments are failing flat so they can't decide what they support.

 

[hawkifann]

Different rules for different sports?

All women must be probed and tested in dozens of ways before they can be allowed to compete in anything, apparently.

 

[steelhawkeye]

The soy around here is off the charts when you have a gaggle in here white knighting for this Algerian circus freak.

WTF is wrong with you?

 

[ClarindaA's]

You might want to do a quick Google search on competitive advantage amongst women.

I’m betting you are unaware of the side effects of elevated estrogen. Even for the ladies

 

[gohawks50]

I’m betting you are unaware of the side effects of elevated estrogen. Even for the ladies

I'm sure you are aware of the negative effects of high testosterone, even for the men.

 

[ClarindaA's]

I'm sure you are aware of the negative effects of high testosterone, even for the men.

Blood clots. Physiological testosterone typically doesn’t cause that.

 

[gohawks50]

Blood clots. Physiological testosterone typically doesn’t cause that.

Some signs of high testosterone in a man include:

• Weight gain or increased muscle mass
• Insomnia
• Acne
• Headaches
• Lowered impulse control
• Extreme mood swings
• Anxiety
• Lack of empathy or antagonistic behavior

 

[ClarindaA's]

Some signs of high testosterone in a man include:

• Weight gain or increased muscle mass this is a positive, thigh you gain water weight from the excess estrogen via aromatization
  
• Insomnia-can also be from excess estrogen. Typically low testosterone causes insomnia too
  
• Acne- DHT conversion from AR5 enzyme
  
• Headaches- blood pressure from estrogen
  
• Lowered impulse control- legit
  
• Extreme mood swings- a bit legit, more from when people go off cycle or are using other compounds, tren
  
• Anxiety- legit though often other compounds or increased estrogen
  
• Lack of empathy or antagonistic behavior

Only one I’m concerned about is the blood pressure. And blood clots. Again the advice is typically from Supra physiological level, TRT gone too far or strait anabolic use. The estrogen sides from testosterone aromatizarion can be managed with AIs or SERMs, DHT sides with Fin or Dut

 

[Joes Place]

Should a biological male with testosterone-producing testes be competing against women?

I would pay to see a biological male compete in the Balance Beam all-around...

 

[globalhawk]

I’m betting you are unaware of the side effects of elevated estrogen. Even for the ladies

And? Are you changing the conversation again?

 

[ClarindaA's]

And? Are you changing the conversation again?

No, someone else was trying to

 

[Joes Place]

I'm betting the idiots in this thread questioning her qualifications as a "female" wouldn't last 30s in a cage match against Ronda Rousey...

 

[globalhawk]

No, someone else was trying to

Simple.

 

[ClarindaA's]

Simple.

My stance is, girls sports are for girls. This is a unique situation where a male via DNA and testosterone producing testes, could be born with a vagina due to a medical condition. End of story.

 

[ClarindaA's]

I'm betting the idiots in this thread questioning her qualifications as a "female" wouldn't last 30s in a cage match against Ronda Rousey...

That isn’t the point

 

[globalhawk]

My stance is, girls sports are for girls. This is a unique situation where a male via DNA and testosterone producing testes, could be born with a vagina due to a medical condition. End of story.

You change stories when handy for you.

 

[ClarindaA's]

You change stories when handy for you.

I’ve never said anything different. I’d rather debate @Menace Sockeyes . He brings Logic and constructive dialogue.

 

[gohawks50]

No, someone else was trying to

Why have you never responded to this questions I asked earlier today?

The IBA should report what kind of test they supposedly gave to her. She shouldn't have to provide any more evidence of being a woman than the rest of the women that participated in the Olympics. Do you think every female athlete should be required to have a chromosome test? At what age should we start testing girls before they are allowed to compete?