Goof Grades

[UndercoverHawk]

Gilman: A nuff said.
Clark: A see 125
Grothus: B definitely a match he can win. I think this might build his confidence more than tear it down.
Sorensen: A- solid win. Need action earlier.
Coop: B+ improvement throughout year but we need more than that performance to feel good.
Rhoads: A finally commits to his shots.
Meyer: A- got on offense tonight. Feel like he could've done more.
Brooks: A see 125
Burak: B- have to wrestle more than the last 20 seconds.
Stoll: A need these in March.

Shane Sparks: A+ because I think he'd hurt me if I didn't. So much intensity.

 

[ChloeDancer]

Coop seems to get a lead and coast instead of building leads. Makes me nervous

 

[Azchief32]

Gilman: A nuff said.
Clark: A see 125
Grothus: B definitely a match he can win. I think this might build his confidence more than tear it down.
Sorensen: A- solid win. Need action earlier.
Coop: B+ improvement throughout year but we need more than that performance to feel good.
Rhoads: A finally commits to his shots.
Meyer: A- got on offense tonight. Feel like he could've done more.
Brooks: A see 125
Burak: B- have to wrestle more than the last 20 seconds.
Stoll: A need these in March.

Shane Sparks: A+ because I think he'd hurt me if I didn't. So much intensity.

Brody is coming along but could have won that match. Burak can't leave it to the refs. My "Man of the Match" would probably go to Rhoads. He didn't stop the whole time, really wanted that TF.

 

[MitchL]

Thorn and Big Pharr looked different than the rest of the Gophs... and not just because they won. The others had that "deer in the headlight" look. Eggum and J looked like they were on some kind of drug.

The Gophers are in for a very long dry spell. The match vs ISU will be a pretty interesting dual. Both teams struggle to ride and both have trouble escaping from bottom. These two programs look like mid level high school teams.

 

[minnhawkeye]

1. Brody just needs more matches that Thorn is tough and Brody just need a little more mat awerness hope he goes again in the last 2 regular and the silly national duals he will be more ready then for big tens.

 

[sloehawk]

Coop seems to get a lead and coast instead of building leads. Makes me nervous

He was as fortunate as he could be to win that match. He was out wrestled from start to finish. He took a 1/2 shot in the 1st period, fought off some nice shots by Kingsley, then he gets the choice and takes Neutral, and doesn't shoot once the entire period. Why would you do that? Kingsley took him to the brink of a clear takedown and somehow managed not to finish it. Crazy, and ugly.

 

[vanhawkman]

He was as fortunate as he could be to win that match. He was out wrestled from start to finish. He took a 1/2 shot in the 1st period, fought off some nice shots by Kingsley, then he gets the choice and takes Neutral, and doesn't shoot once the entire period. Why would you do that? Kingsley took him to the brink of a clear takedown and somehow managed not to finish it. Crazy, and ugly.

He wanted that double so bad in the 1st, couldn't get it, but kept trying. He hit it in OT, but he's lucky he wasn't dinged for stalling again in the last 10 seconds

 

[SDHN2013]

Brody is coming along but could have won that match. Burak can't leave it to the refs. My "Man of the Match" would probably go to Rhoads. He didn't stop the whole time, really wanted that TF.

I did like Rhoads last night but according to Minnys website, that dude he wrestled was their #4 at that weight wrestling his 1st B10 dual so im not too excited about it.

 

[texas twister]

Grothus - C He is improving
Brandon - B Tough guy to score on but he did

Gilman and Clark were great but the opposition was subpar (or maybe they made them look subpar - who knows)
Cooper - F I was hoping the ref would call stalling on him
Rhodes - B
Meyer - C Hoping he can get it going. He opened up some against a weak opponent
Brooks - A He wrestled like he was ticked off
Burak - C Needed to go after the takedowns earlier. He seemed to be waiting too much and it bit him
Stoll - A

 

[artradley]

He was as fortunate as he could be to win that match. He was out wrestled from start to finish. He took a 1/2 shot in the 1st period, fought off some nice shots by Kingsley, then he gets the choice and takes Neutral, and doesn't shoot once the entire period. Why would you do that? Kingsley took him to the brink of a clear takedown and somehow managed not to finish it. Crazy, and ugly.

This. I give Coop a D. Possibly the dumbest wrestling I've ever seen this side of High School. Against an unranked guy.

 

[artradley]

Gilman: A nuff said.
Clark: A see 125
Grothus: B definitely a match he can win. I think this might build his confidence more than tear it down.
Sorensen: A- solid win. Need action earlier.
Coop: B+ improvement throughout year but we need more than that performance to feel good.
Rhoads: A finally commits to his shots.
Meyer: A- got on offense tonight. Feel like he could've done more.
Brooks: A see 125
Burak: B- have to wrestle more than the last 20 seconds.
Stoll: A need these in March.

Shane Sparks: A+ because I think he'd hurt me if I didn't. So much intensity.

IMO Brody had a takedown and backs at the end of the match, and Burak did not. Very good match for Brody, I'm feeling very good about the kid.

 

[hwkwrestlingaddiction]

I'll take a stab at this:
125 - A: it looked like the Minn kid may have gotten a little chippy at the pre dual handshake, so I was happy to see Gillman stick it to him.
133 - A: good to see him get after it a little more
141 - B/B+: I think he's still getting his feel for the spotlight again after being out for over a year. Hope he keeps building
149 - A: I can't tell if Sorensen is just not going to rack up the points in matches or if the lack of getting majors/techs/pins is due to opponents stalling and shutting down
157 - D-: As I was sitting in the arena during this match I found myself wondering what in the h@ll I was watching. This was awful. Did Coop shoot more than once? The Minn guy was standing straight up for him. All Coop had to do is drop and shoot and he could have completely skipped OT.
165 - A: Great to see Rhodes come out and get after it. Hopefully it gave him some confidence for tougher opponents going forth.
174 - A: Again, great to see him get some offense going. Keep it going now.
184 - A: After Nebraska, you knew this was coming. I fully expected Sammy to rip the guys arm off and beat him with it, and he pretty much did.
197 - B: He got screwed, but I'm going to echo others. Don't put yourself in that situation. His high crotch is smooth. Reminded me of the Midlands 2 years ago when he had short time and hit it to win the match. That being said, I believe he wins future matches with Pfarr. Burak will be fine.
Heavyweight - A: Brooks is having a fine debut season. Keep staying tough.

Overall, I thought we had a good showing (aside from 157). It's too bad Minnesota has fallen this far into a hole. Hopefully they don't become Iowa State.

 

[artradley]

Gilman: A nuff said.
Clark: A see 125
Grothus: B definitely a match he can win. I think this might build his confidence more than tear it down.
Sorensen: A- solid win. Need action earlier.
Coop: B+ improvement throughout year but we need more than that performance to feel good.
Rhoads: A finally commits to his shots.
Meyer: A- got on offense tonight. Feel like he could've done more.
Brooks: A see 125
Burak: B- have to wrestle more than the last 20 seconds.
Stoll: A need these in March.

Shane Sparks: A+ because I think he'd hurt me if I didn't. So much intensity.

I was disappointed in Stoll. You aren't going to get to the podium by waiting for a bad shot then spinning behind - that's middle school tactics. He has been very slick this year, it looked like he was wrestling scared and lucked into a couple of sloppy takedowns. Hopefully getting a win against an AA will boost his confidence enough that the next time he wrestles the way he's capable of.

 

[DonHawkeye]

I was disappointed in Stoll. You aren't going to get to the podium by waiting for a bad shot then spinning behind - that's middle school tactics. He has been very slick this year, it looked like he was wrestling scared and lucked into a couple of sloppy takedowns. Hopefully getting a win against an AA will boost his confidence enough that the next time he wrestles the way he's capable of.

You are wrong on so many levels.

 

[WWDMHawkeye]

I was disappointed in Stoll. You aren't going to get to the podium by waiting for a bad shot then spinning behind - that's middle school tactics. He has been very slick this year, it looked like he was wrestling scared and lucked into a couple of sloppy takedowns. Hopefully getting a win against an AA will boost his confidence enough that the next time he wrestles the way he's capable of.

I think all of us would have preferred more leg attacks -- really, any leg attacks -- by Sam in this match, but I sure wouldn't describe his tactics as "high school". I think we need to keep in mind the weight class. Heavyweight is a completely different animal from any other in terms of style. Your Mike McMullan types come around about once a decade at 285.

Sam does have some nice leg attacks in his arsenal, but I don't necessarily fault him for how he went about this match. Once he'd taken Kroells down once, he knew Kroells had to come to him. The last thing you want to do as a heavy is take an ill-advised shot that's not set up well, as evidenced by this match. Sam was ready to pounce as soon as Kroells committed, and that's exactly what he did. If not for a poorly-conceived effort to bring him to the mat on Kroells' first shot, this match is even more lopsided.

Although I always like to see action regardless of the weight class, 285 is by nature more of a chess match, and I think Stoll was smart in this case, considering the circumstances of the match. And how about his quickness? Kid can really move for a big guy. Very quick feet and reaction time. He has potential to end up very high on the podium at MSG. I wouldn't rule him out for Saturday night, frankly. The way he's wrestling, he's likely to land himself a sweet seed at Nationals, improving his chances at a high AA finish all the more. Stoll is really looking to me like a possible game-changer for the Hawks in NYC. High-AA finishes out of 125, 133, 149, 197, and 285 put us right in the hunt if we can get some production out of 141, 174, and 184.

 

[artradley]

I think all of us would have preferred more leg attacks -- really, any leg attacks -- by Sam in this match, but I sure wouldn't describe his tactics as "high school". I think we need to keep in mind the weight class. Heavyweight is a completely different animal from any other in terms of style. Your Mike McMullan types come around about once a decade at 285.

Sam does have some nice leg attacks in his arsenal, but I don't necessarily fault him for how he went about this match. Once he'd taken Kroells down once, he knew Kroells had to come to him. The last thing you want to do as a heavy is take an ill-advised shot that's not set up well, as evidenced by this match. Sam was ready to pounce as soon as Kroells committed, and that's exactly what he did. If not for a poorly-conceived effort to bring him to the mat on Kroells' first shot, this match is even more lopsided.

Although I always like to see action regardless of the weight class, 285 is by nature more of a chess match, and I think Stoll was smart in this case, considering the circumstances of the match. And how about his quickness? Kid can really move for a big guy. Very quick feet and reaction time. He has potential to end up very high on the podium at MSG. I wouldn't rule him out for Saturday night, frankly. The way he's wrestling, he's likely to land himself a sweet seed at Nationals, improving his chances at a high AA finish all the more. Stoll is really looking to me like a possible game-changer for the Hawks in NYC. High-AA finishes out of 125, 133, 149, 197, and 285 put us right in the hunt if we can get some production out of 141, 174, and 184.

I actually agree with your assessment of Stoll's potential -- he's been very impressive so far and looks to have a great career. It was just frustrating last night to watch so many Iowa guys waiting to defend the attack instead of creating their own offense. I suppose you're correct that once he got the lead his approach was smart. But I still think the net level involves attacking through the match.

 

[el dub]

Had Sammy ever beat Kroells before last night?

 

[DonHawkeye]

Last night's HWT match looked like a crafty veteran controlling a match against an outmatched underclassman.

That veteran was our freshman against a returning AA.

You better get used to him hitting grade school go behinds. Stoll is going to control the center of the mat and ties against almost everyone. When you do that you force the other guys hand. It is a recipe for a really good HWT.

 

[WWDMHawkeye]

I actually agree with your assessment of Stoll's potential -- he's been very impressive so far and looks to have a great career. It was just frustrating last night to watch so many Iowa guys waiting to defend the attack instead of creating their own offense. I suppose you're correct that once he got the lead his approach was smart. But I still think the net level involves attacking through the match.

Agree completely, art. Nobody detests stalling more than I do. I've reluctantly accepted that you're just not going to see a lot of guys changing levels at 285. I love it when they do and would love to see them all wrestling like McMullan, but 285 is almost a sport of its own these days, and it's hard for me to fault a guy who's controlling the ties and the mat and forcing his will on the opponent. I think that's pretty much what Sam did.

And Stoll's quickness is extremely impressive. Great feet. Reminds me a little bit of Steven Neal of Cal-Bakersfield back in the day -- national champ who went on to a great NFL career as an O-lineman with very little football experience.

 

[Jackhawk87]

Agree completely, art. Nobody detests stalling more than I do. I've reluctantly accepted that you're just not going to see a lot of guys changing levels at 285. I love it when they do and would love to see them all wrestling like McMullan, but 285 is almost a sport of its own these days, and it's hard for me to fault a guy who's controlling the ties and the mat and forcing his will on the opponent. I think that's pretty much what Sam did.

And Stoll's quickness is extremely impressive. Great feet. Reminds me a little bit of Steven Neal of Cal-Bakersfield back in the day -- national champ who went on to a great NFL career as an O-lineman with very little football experience.

I would agree that Stoll's quickness is impressive for a big guy. I thought he looked great. I am worried that some wrestlers will just continue to back up around the mat without getting called for stalling (eg Black) to prevent Sam from getting takedowns. It is hard to get a throw or a leg shot with guys continuously backing away. While he is great on top against lesser opponents, his top/bottom game may not be good enough to beat the fringe AA guys. I just hope the referees call stalling when appropriate and Sam will be just fine.

 

[WWDMHawkeye]

Also remember that confidence is a crucial attribute in a wrestler. . . and big Sam has a LOT of that. You can see it in his eyes -- he believes. That will pay off when it counts.

 

[Actiondouble]

Stollhouse!! Sweet revenge on Kroells. Great counter wrestling. Big man has some moves. Moving up the rankings with lightning speed.

 

[Actiondouble]

Who does Stollhouse workout with in the room? Hawks don't have another HWT do they?

 

[WWDMHawkeye]

Telford and Berhow.

 

[jammenz]

But will Stoll make the 285 lb weigh-in by the time NCAA's roll around.

 

[Kwoodhawk]

But will Stoll make the 285 lb weigh-in by the time NCAA's roll around.

You really are stretching to come up with something to say aren't you. I don't want to say that's lame......but you might want to think a bit more and try again later when the mind clears a bit.

 

[ih8iast8]

I was disappointed in Stoll. You aren't going to get to the podium by waiting for a bad shot then spinning behind - that's middle school tactics. He has been very slick this year, it looked like he was wrestling scared and lucked into a couple of sloppy takedowns. Hopefully getting a win against an AA will boost his confidence enough that the next time he wrestles the way he's capable of.

High expectations for a HWT wrestling an all american.

 

[artradley]

High expectations for a HWT wrestling an all american.

He's shown he can meet those expectations. Which is the good news. Along with the fact that he can beat a top-10 guy while not using all of his skills.

 

[TarpHawk]

He's miles beyond where he was a year ago. Gable said that he often started to see potential in his wrestlers after 9-12 months in the room, where they morph from a "maybe" to a "yes." He cited the Banachs as examples. That seems to describe Stoll, in much the same way that it described McD or Sorensen.

 

[edquinn06]

He's miles beyond where he was a year ago. Gable said that he often started to see potential in his wrestlers after 9-12 months in the room, where they morph from a "maybe" to a "yes." He cited the Banachs as examples. That seems to describe Stoll, in much the same way that it described McD or Sorensen.

Hopefully Turk, Wilcke, and Holloway can turn it into yes after 12 months. Keep working hard boys!!

 

[Gobblin]

But will Stoll make the 285 lb weigh-in by the time NCAA's roll around.

I think he'll be alright... He gets dieting tips from Kole Conrad.

 

[Azchief32]

But will Stoll make the 285 lb weigh-in by the time NCAA's roll around.

Hell of a two weeks for you.

 

[texas twister]

But will Stoll make the 285 lb weigh-in by the time NCAA's roll around.

You already made yourself look like a fool with your dual predictions. Enough already. The squirrels are looking for something like you. Move on.

 

[sloehawk]

But will Stoll make the 285 lb weigh-in by the time NCAA's roll around.

He had to make 264.5 for Greco Worlds last summer, so he shouldn't be having any trouble holding 285.

 

[ChloeDancer]

I actually agree with your assessment of Stoll's potential -- he's been very impressive so far and looks to have a great career. It was just frustrating last night to watch so many Iowa guys waiting to defend the attack instead of creating their own offense. I suppose you're correct that once he got the lead his approach was smart. But I still think the net level involves attacking through the match.

Who were the "so many" Iowa guys waiting to defend the attack last night?

125. Hell No
133. Hell No
141. Maybe a little. Attacking from feet isn't really his game tho. Still knocking rust off
149. No
157. YES
165. Hell No
174. No
184. Hell No
197. Little bit
HWT. Little bit...but it worked out great.

 

[Spoons]

GMan: A, little info for Minnesota 125lber don't piss off our most consistent and maybe best wrestler on the team during intro's.
Clark: A-, didn't look like Brancle out there or maybe Clark just made him look that bad. Not saying Brancle is better was just expecting a little more fight out of him.
Brody: B+, 2nd division 1 match in over a year and if not for getting a little gready with that first shot of his he may have taken out #7 in the country. I think he beats him if they see each other down the road.
BS: A-, yea we all would like to see a little more offense out of Brandon but that's pretty hard to do with a guy with track shoes on
Coop: D, should have gotten dinged for stalling don't know how he did not.
Rhoads: A-, best D1 match of the year for him to bad oppenent was not all that good and older gentleman was being attented to by EMTs(hope he is OK)
Meyer: B, still have concerns about him but at least he was aggressive and scored lesson to be learned here Alex.
Brooks: B+, only thing keeping his match getting a A was ew all saw this coming.
Burak: C+, score sooner Nathan is about all I can say here. Although after match Gable did say it was either 2 or pin at the end u choose. Gable does not sugar coat anything so I'll take his word.
Vader: A, pretty sure that's his first ever "W" over Kroells, don't care "how" he got it just really like him!!!

 

[MitchL]

Jammies best bet would be to limp back to the Gopher site where like minds converse. The level of stupidity on that forum is alarming.

The only difference this season for Gopher fans is the realization by some that J needs to disappear. In years past... after embarrassing defeats, the consensus was "Yeah, but next time our guy wins the rematch". You aren't hearing that this season. They KNOW they suck!

The sunshine pumpers are having a difficult time finding ammunition. At times, civil war surfaces.

I feel sorry for the Stroker/Early/Steveson/McKee families. They didn't sign up for this. But hey... use that scholly to get an education.

And as someone else stated... they're approaching ISU status.

 

[vanhawkman]

Also remember that confidence is a crucial attribute in a wrestler. . . and big Sam has a LOT of that. You can see it in his eyes -- he believes. That will pay off when it counts.

That was more than evident at the end of the match when he pumped up the crowd

 

[vanhawkman]

My take from the seats...

Gilman-A+, looked like he gave that guy his leg to see if he could do anything with it, and then decided enough, flipped him, slap!! (Even though Gilman said after the match that he's going to watch film to see how the guy got to his leg) Tom was beyond pumped as Gilman ran off!
Clark-A+, dominant match, even though a slow start to the second, got the pin with a second left on the clock. Glad to see a smaller knee brace or band, hoping that's a sign that he's getting healthier.
Grothus-B, Was in this match throughout. Had a shot at a takedown and possible back points in the first, but lost it. Thorn gassed at the end and Brody took advantage with a takedown, but couldn't get another. Great confidence booster, still getting back, but only seeing improvement each time he's on the mat. Feeling a lot better about this weight.
Sorenson-A, Short has always given him fits, but he controlled the match, and widened the gap between the 2. Gaining steam for his potential match up with ZR at Big Tens
Cooper-F, kept trying for a double in the 1st, couldn't get to it, then decided to dance around for the rest of the match. In my opinion, he should have been dinged for a 3rd stall, costing him the match. Just awful, TnT better work him to the bone this next week, can't have this effort this far into the season, especially against a guy that he should have beaten easily.
Rhoads-A, don't care that he was wrestling a freshman, he got to his offense, and look at the results. Guy is fearless, need him to do this against the ranked guys and he will give them fits.
Meyer-B, looked good and glad to see him move and go to his offense also. Hoping he builds for a big tournament for both Bigs and Nationals
Brooks-A, called this as everyone that is a fan did as well. This guy didn't have a prayer after the handshake, the man wrestled angry, Dudley in trouble next time they face off.
Burak-B, got screwed at the end, was a takedown, but already been said, never, ever leave it to the refs or the end. NB wrestled like he did last year in this match, different scenario next time these 2 face off with Burak winning.
Stoll-A, don't care that he didn't take a shot, baited Kroells to come after him and played scared, since you know, he beat him in HS a few years ago. Kroells took that bait, and Sam countered to perfection (guy is quick for a heavy). Someone already said that a veteran outsmarted an overmatched wrestler, and that Sam was the veteran on this night. He's only getting better, and we got proof against a fellow top 10 wrestler, who he beat convincingly.

 

[hawkster03]

I was disappointed in Stoll. You aren't going to get to the podium by waiting for a bad shot then spinning behind - that's middle school tactics. He has been very slick this year, it looked like he was wrestling scared and lucked into a couple of sloppy takedowns. Hopefully getting a win against an AA will boost his confidence enough that the next time he wrestles the way he's capable of.

What? You crazy. I'm a huge Stoll fan and I think he looked very good. He moves damn good for a big guy, love the go behinds. And that "middle school tactic" scores a lot of points on ALL levels of wrestling. I would call it a FUNDAMENTAL.