GOP already blowing a hole in our budget. Advances massive $340 billion new spending bill.

[Huey Grey]

I thought that DOGE was supposed to pay for this crap? Rs grifting our asses.

Senate adopts $340 billion budget blueprint for Trump's agenda after marathon 'vote-a-rama'

The 52-48 overnight vote puts pressure on the GOP-controlled House, which plans to take up its own competing budget resolution next week.

www.nbcnews.com

 

[funksouljon]

Except a 30+% base why buy into everything he says, most people know it wasn't really about the budget (or don't care). Someone who has lost money in most of his businesses, he is only scaling p the size of his ability to lose money. And now, instead of getting loans to cover his losses, he is in a spot where he can just print more to cover his losses.

 

[binsfeldcyhawk2]

neither party gives a f about budget deficits.

Just blather about it when the other side is in charge.

 

[Huey Grey]

neither party gives a f about budget deficits.

Just blather about it when the other side is in charge.

Rs sure don't. They went on for four years about fiscal responsibility. Then within the first month of getting back in power pull this crap. Lies and massive spending.

 

[Rifler]

This is merely the Senate's first blush version of a budget that doesn't exist yet,.. long way to go yet.

 

[DooBi]

Rs sure don't. They went on for four years about fiscal responsibility. Then within the first month of getting back in power pull this crap. Lies and massive spending.

And you changed your view on the subject a month ago.

 

[Huey Grey]

This is merely the Senate's first blush version of a budget that doesn't exist yet,.. long way to go yet.

DOGE promised to cover these costs. We've granted them access to literally everything. Even your social security number. And they haven't done anything but get caught in a massive lie about actual numbers.

So how does the Senate make up for DOGE's failings?

 

[binsfeldcyhawk2]

Rs sure don't. They went on for four years about fiscal responsibility. Then within the first month of getting back in power pull this crap. Lies and massive spending.

D’s don’t either.

Which is why we’re F’d.

 

[Rifler]

DOGE promised to cover these costs. We've granted them access to literally everything. Even your social security number. And they haven't done anything but get caught in a massive lie about actual numbers.

So how does the Senate make up for DOGE's failings?

DOGE runs through 7/4/26,.. Cool your jets, they've barely scraped the surface.

 

[RagnarLothbrok]

neither party gives a f about budget deficits.

Just blather about it when the other side is in charge.

Until Joe Biden, budget deficits decreased under a Democratic president since Clinton.

Both parties have a spending problem. The difference is Republicans give massive tax breaks to the wealthy (that don’t pay for themselves) while continuing to spend like Democrats.

 

[Huey Grey]

DOGE runs through 7/4/26,.. Cool your jets, they've barely scraped the surface.

Shouldn't the Rs have to wait until DOGE does some actual drilling before spending all the fiscal "oil" they think is underneath?

 

[RagnarLothbrok]

DOGE runs through 7/4/26,.. Cool your jets, they've barely scraped the surface.

Alarming, if true.

 

[funksouljon]

D’s don’t either.

Which is why we’re F’d.

Well, in that graph, it sure looks like 2011 to 2015 was a great trend...
Wanna predict what the numbers for 2024 -2028 will look like?


That said, absolutely, Biden didn't help. But once again, these things aren't equal.

 

[RagnarLothbrok]

Shouldn't the Rs have to wait until DOGE does some actual drilling before spending all the fiscal "oil" they think is underneath?

The problem with DOGE is they’re throwing grenades at molehills while ignoring mountains. Cutting school lunch programs and cancer research is not going to put a dent in the problem. The real problem is defense spending, healthcare, and massive tax cuts for billionaires.

DOGE is nothing more than a dog and pony show.

 

[Huey Grey]

The problem with DOGE is they’re throwing grenades at molehills while ignoring mountains. Cutting school lunch programs and cancer research is not going to put a dent in the problem. The real problem is defense spending, healthcare, and massive tax cuts for billionaires.

DOGE is nothing more than a dog and pony show.

In reality, it's nothing more than a way for Musk to get inside information to grift off the government.

 

[funksouljon]

D’s don’t either.

Which is why we’re F’d.

Here is a graph that gives a bit more information and probably counters your bothsides perspective. Look for the areas where the trend is decreasing.

This is exactly why true fiscally responsible minded voters hold there nose on some of the social issues for the sake of the fiscal differences between the 2 parties. this isn't a both sides you can win.

 

[Rifler]

Shouldn't the Rs have to wait until DOGE does some actual drilling before spending all the fiscal "oil" they think is underneath?

Can't, you and your clown posse will be back in the mix after mid-terms,... Times a wasting.

 

[Rifler]

The problem with DOGE is they’re throwing grenades at molehills while ignoring mountains. Cutting school lunch programs and cancer research is not going to put a dent in the problem. The real problem is defense spending, healthcare, and massive tax cuts for billionaires.

DOGE is nothing more than a dog and pony show.

DOGE is barely 5% of the way into it's operational schedule,.. demonstrate some patience.

 

[hawkeyetraveler]

neither party gives a f about budget deficits.

Just blather about it when the other side is in charge.

You don’t find the Dem politicians slightly more intellectually honest about this? I know libs on HBOT preach deficit when the other party is in charge, but I don’t recall dem politicians like Harris running on a “lower the deficit” plan. I do recall Trump and his minions talking about deficit reduction non stop. Hell Trump promised to eliminate it.

I hope you at least recognize why some folks on here call you “both sides Bins” when one party is way more disingenuous than the other.

 

[seminole97]

The problem with DOGE is they’re throwing grenades at molehills while ignoring mountains. Cutting school lunch programs and cancer research is not going to put a dent in the problem. The real problem is defense spending, healthcare, and massive tax cuts for billionaires.

DOGE is nothing more than a dog and pony show.

Tax cuts don’t put spending over 24% of GDP when we’ve never, ever collected more than 20% of GDP in federal taxes under any rate structure.

Need to do what we did in the 90s, which is hold the growth of government spending below the growth rate of the economy until the latter can catch up to support the former.

As a percentage of GDP spending is 50% higher today than at the end of the Clinton era, which was hardly a hellscape of ‘austerity’.

 

[Rifler]

Returning to a 90's era spending model would blow people's minds...

 

[TC Nole OX]

Here is a graph that gives a bit more information and probably counters your bothsides perspective. Look for the areas where the trend is decreasing.

This is exactly why true fiscally responsible minded voters hold there nose on some of the social issues for the sake of the fiscal differences between the 2 parties. this isn't a both sides you can win.

What this graph shows but does not explain is why deficits are so high in the early years of Clinton, Obama and Biden's presidencies. They each inherited a huge economic mess from their republican predecessor and had to spend significantly to restore prosperity.

I will have to see if I can find a graph with Reagan's deficits. He taught republicans how to wail about deficits and debt while spending wildly and racking up enormous debts.

 

[hawkeyetraveler]

Returning to a 90's era spending model would blow peoples minds...

We have to do that unfortunately. We also have to increase revenue. Basically everyone has to give up something they hold dear. It’s not a matter of “if” we should do those things. It’s a matter of when we get forced to do those things.

It sure would be nice to live in a country where our politicians were incented to do the right thing. If we did this incrementally it would be far better than the default/austerity measures that will force our hand.

 

[Whiskeydeltadeltatango]

We have to do that unfortunately. We also have to increase revenue. Basically everyone has to give up something they hold dear. It’s not a matter of “if” we should do those things. It’s a matter of when we get forced to do those things.

It sure would be nice to live in a country where our politicians were incented to do the right thing. If we did this incrementally it would be far better than the default/austerity measures that will force our hand.

We don't have a revenue problem.

 

[TC Nole OX]

I will have to see if I can find a graph with Reagan's deficits.

No graph but...




"(President Ronald) Reagan took the deficit from 70 billion to 175 billion." This is more or less accurate. The federal deficit went from about $78.9 billion at the beginning of Reagan’s presidency to $152.6 billion at the end of it. At points between 1983 and 1986, the deficit was actually more than $175 billion.

"(George H.W.) Bush 41 took it to 300 billion." Close, but not exactly. The number was around $255 billion at the end of Bush’s term. The deficit spiked at around $290.3 billion the year before he left office.

"(Bill) Clinton got it to zero." This is true. During his presidency, Clinton managed to zero out the deficit and end his term with a $128.2 billion surplus.

"(George W.) Bush 43 took it from 0 to 1.2 trillion." This is in the ballpark. Ignoring the fact that he actually started his presidency with a surplus, Bush left office in 2009 with a federal deficit of roughly $1.41 trillion.

"(Barack) Obama halved it to 600 billion." This is essentially accurate. Obama left the presidency with a deficit of approximately $584.6 billion, which is more than halving $1.41 trillion. The deficit was even lower in 2015 at around $441.9 billion.

How the past five presidents affected the deficit

This article was updated Aug. 2 to include a graph with the annual federal deficit in constant dollars. A viral post por

www.politifact.com

 

[JimStarr777]

Until Joe Biden, budget deficits decreased under a Democratic president since Clinton.

Both parties have a spending problem. The difference is Republicans give massive tax breaks to the wealthy (that don’t pay for themselves) while continuing to spend like Democrats.

If the price of goods don’t go up another 30%, I’m all for it.

 

[binsfeldcyhawk2]

Until Joe Biden, budget deficits decreased under a Democratic president since Clinton.

In combination with an R house.

 

[Scruddy]

Rs sure don't. They went on for four years about fiscal responsibility. Then within the first month of getting back in power pull this crap. Lies and massive spending.

Joe Biden spent more money than any other president in history lmfao

 

[Tom Paris]

neither party gives a f about budget deficits.

Just blather about it when the other side is in charge.

One party at least attempts "pay fors". That party gets blocked because we can't raise taxes on billionaires. Perfect both sides post. ON BRAND!!

 

[artradley]

The problem with DOGE is they’re throwing grenades at molehills while ignoring mountains. Cutting school lunch programs and cancer research is not going to put a dent in the problem. The real problem is defense spending, healthcare, and massive tax cuts for billionaires.

DOGE is nothing more than a dog and pony show.

Bingo. They're laying off a few hundred low-salary park rangers and acting like they're doing something meaningful. It works because MAGA sees federal workers crying and liberals crying about them - and it gives them little MAGA chubbies. It's not really about the deficit. It's about cruelty.

 

[franklinman]

This is DEAD in the water, no help from the DEMS.

 

[Tom Paris]

In combination with an R house.

Now you're defending that shit show lead Republican House? Bwahahahahahahahaha!! You're killing it today!

 

[TC Nole OX]

neither party gives a f about budget deficits.

Just blather about it when the other side is in charge.

 

[JimStarr777]

Well, to be honest, democrats are a little worse.

 

[Tom Paris]

Sure as the sun comes up in the morning.

 

[RagnarLothbrok]

DOGE is barely 5% of the way into it's operational schedule,.. demonstrate some patience.

We’ll see.

 

[RagnarLothbrok]

Tax cuts don’t put spending over 24% of GDP when we’ve never, ever collected more than 20% of GDP in federal taxes under any rate structure.

Need to do what we did in the 90s, which is hold the growth of government spending below the growth rate of the economy until the latter can catch up to support the former.

As a percentage of GDP spending is 50% higher today than at the end of the Clinton era, which was hardly a hellscape of ‘austerity’.

At this point, it’s gotta be both.

Cut spending and increase revenue.

 

[binsfeldcyhawk2]

One party at least attempts "pay fors". That party gets blocked because we can't raise taxes on billionaires. Perfect both sides post. ON BRAND!!

“Pay fors” 😂

It’s kind of endearing that you actually believe that.

 

[hawkeyetraveler]

We don't have a revenue problem.

I will give you the benefit of the doubt that you missed my multiple posts showing our deficit and the massive issues we have. I have literally walked through the math on here multiple times. The simple reality is if you cut 100% of ALL discretionary spending including the military (!!!) you would just get to a balanced budget, but you still wouldn’t be paying down any debt at all.

So when you make a statement like that it comes across very hollow. I have shown the math previously on why we have to raise revenue. Show me the math where we don’t please. I would love to be wrong.

Here is a post of mine to peruse in case you want to know why we have a spending problem AND a revenue problem:

Trump's tax plan released. He is doing what he promised.....and it is GREAT!!!

I'm not rich enough nor poor enough to extract any money from the treasury. Sorry. What would happen to your check if Medicaid funding for care centers was slashed in half.

iowa.forums.rivals.com

 

[Rifler]

It sure would be nice to live in a country where our politicians were incented to do the right thing.

Unfortunately our system tends to promote the exact opposite,.. and we tend to elect politicians that give us what we want instead of what we need,.. We truly are a population of spoiled children.