Great Terry Podcast

[Azchief32]

You cleared that up.

So I have to ask, as a Hawkeyes fan, does it concern you that the Iowa staff isn't putting in the work that other programs are in giving a recruit attention?

I'll give you an example: Recruit X lives 712.6 miles from Iowa City but he only lives 165.1 miles to Penn State. Recruit X, gets invited to hangout with PSU wrestlers oh I don't know...let's say a day at the lake and/or they show up to recruit X's practices to roll with him. Given the geographical distances, would that not validate what Terry says? Or, they they can attend PSU football games on the sidelines together.

If I didn't know Nolf and Teasdale knew each other, this would sure look like a recruit hosting weekend to me:

 

[cidhawkeye]

You cleared that up.

So I have to ask, as a Hawkeyes fan, does it concern you that the Iowa staff isn't putting in the work that other programs are in giving a recruit attention?

Does it bother you that multiple people have intimidated that not everything seems to be above board at a certain eastern wrestling power?

 

[rossel 33]

The actual quotes:

David Mirkitani (The host): "I guess what you're saying without saying it is some of those other schools may not follow the rules to the letter of the law that Iowa is."

Brands: "I'm not saying that. I'm saying the way that some of these kids get attention can be really difficult on us."

Flying Tiger's paranoia filter applied, and it morphs into:

"One of your coaches is claiming other programs such as PSU are cheating and you don't expect some pushback?"

typical .....

 

[Flying_Tiger]

Rossell, in typical fashion, you left a lot out. All anyone has to do is listen to the podcast to see what I am saying is accurate. There is a full 5 minutes dedicated to this subject, not just a couple sentences. (34-39 minutes)

btw, Seth Nevills just gave a verbal to PSU. All that illegal recruiting pays off again!

 

[lookleft goright]

I thought Brands said you could visit a practice, but not talk to the kids.

Also, it is hard on everyone to keep up with the kind of attention these stars are getting. That is a big plus for PSU. The young guns are right around the corner. They can get a lot of legal attention from people that the guys from Iowa can't give. (like going to football games together) Nothing illegal about it, just not the best situation for Iowa or anyone else not from Pennsylvania.
Also, I think the Brands do a great job of dispelling the rumors once they meet the recruits. Sometimes a negative reputation can work to your favor, if a kid realizes it is false and has a "light bulb going on" moment.
The biggest problem with the Hawkeye recruiting before the last couple years was, I don't think it was given enough of a priority on the Brands list and it was not approached in the same way it has been recently. I spoke with Warner's coach a while back and he said the Hawks were incredible recruiters. I am guessing that is fairly recent and it is paying off. They were behind the times the same way as they are a bit behind the times for athletic facilities. Things appear to be getting remedied and look for the Hawks to be on top soon. IMHO.

 

[SPOONER]

JFC. Most recent threads turning into PSU threads. So annoying.

 

[Chickenman Testa]

I'll give you an example: Recruit X lives 712.6 miles from Iowa City but he only lives 165.1 miles to Penn State. Recruit X, gets invited to hangout with PSU wrestlers oh I don't know...let's say a day at the lake and/or they show up to recruit X's practices to roll with him. Given the geographical distances, would that not validate what Terry says? Or, they they can attend PSU football games on the sidelines together.

If I didn't know Nolf and Teasdale knew each other, this would sure look like a recruit hosting weekend to me:

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Sounds as paranoid as Spyker saying Jody S steers Young Guns to Iowa with his caravans to Carver Hawkeye

 

[Azchief32]

Sounds as paranoid as Spyker saying Jody S steers Young Guns to Iowa with his caravans to Carver Hawkeye

Pointing out a geographical limitation to support Terry's thoughts is paranoia and comparable to Spyker? Or is the picture of a current PSU wrestler with a targeted recruit down on the field (usually you only get these pics on official visits). Must have been Teasdale's rich uncle that got him down on the field. Here is Hall's official visit...looks familiar.

 

[CumberlandHawk]

Flying Tiger's paranoia filter applied, and it morphs into:

They see our growing shush fund and hear about new facilities and they are getting nervous and paranoid.

 

[BeastMode177]

Does it bother you that multiple people have intimidated that not everything seems to be above board at a certain eastern wrestling power?

The new Iowa way: Refuse to acknowledge teams are getting better and better and passing Iowa by. Instead accuse these teams of cheating and other conspiricies...disgusting.

 

[SPOONER]

Pointing out a geographical limitation to support Terry's thoughts is paranoia and comparable to Spyker? Or is the picture of a current PSU wrestler with a targeted recruit down on the field (usually you only get these pics on official visits). Must have been Teasdale's rich uncle that got him down on the field. Here is Hall's official visit...looks familiar.

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Pretty sure there is nothing wrong with giving sideline passes to kids on unofficial visits. The football team does it so I doubt it is against the rules for any sport.

 

[Eastern HWT]

I'll give you an example: Recruit X lives 712.6 miles from Iowa City but he only lives 165.1 miles to Penn State. Recruit X, gets invited to hangout with PSU wrestlers oh I don't know...let's say a day at the lake and/or they show up to recruit X's practices to roll with him. Given the geographical distances, would that not validate what Terry says? Or, they they can attend PSU football games on the sidelines together.

If I didn't know Nolf and Teasdale knew each other, this would sure look like a recruit hosting weekend to me:

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Please notice the date on the tweet.....Jan 10, 2016...... GT originally committed to Iowa three months later...... Photo must have been from 2015 football season long before he said he was going to be a Hawkeye.

 

[BigFreddy]

I'll give you an example: Recruit X lives 712.6 miles from Iowa City but he only lives 165.1 miles to Penn State. Recruit X, gets invited to hangout with PSU wrestlers oh I don't know...let's say a day at the lake and/or they show up to recruit X's practices to roll with him. Given the geographical distances, would that not validate what Terry says? Or, they they can attend PSU football games on the sidelines together.

If I didn't know Nolf and Teasdale knew each other, this would sure look like a recruit hosting weekend to me:

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No rich uncle needed. NCAA guidelines on UNOFFICIAL visits:

"An institution may provide a prospect with three complimentary admissions to a home athletics event."

Here's a link:
http://compliance.louisiana.edu/sites/compliance/files/Official and Unofficial Visits1.pdf

So your implication that something isn't above board there falls flat. No one can help that recruits don't grow up closer to Iowa, so I don't see the point in you or your assistant coach whining about it.

 

[whejoe]

No rich uncle needed. NCAA guidelines on UNOFFICIAL visits:

"An institution may provide a prospect with three complimentary admissions to a home athletics event."

Here's a link:
http://compliance.louisiana.edu/sites/compliance/files/Official and Unofficial Visits1.pdf

So your implication that something isn't above board there falls flat. No one can help that recruits don't grow up closer to Iowa, so I don't see the point in you or your assistant coach whining about it.

So PSU is offering complimentary tix to prospects in their sophomore year?

 

[BigFreddy]

So PSU is offering complimentary tix to prospects in their sophomore year?

I have absolutely no idea. But if they are, it is explicitly allowed by the rules.

Sophomores in high school are allowed unlimited unofficial visits. And the school is permitted to offer free admission to up to three athletic events to recruits on unofficial visits. So all the pissing and moaning about it here is just that, pissing and moaning.

Here, you can read about it right on the NCAA's own website:
http://www.ncaa.org/student-athletes/future/eligibility-center/what-unofficial-visit

But surely you'll object and still insist that it's all secret and dirty and against the rules and that the Honorable Brands Bros. would never engage in such tactics.

 

[whejoe]

I have absolutely no idea. But if they are, it is explicitly allowed by the rules.

Sophomores in high school are allowed unlimited unofficial visits. And the school is permitted to offer free admission to up to three athletic events to recruits on unofficial visits. So all the pissing and moaning about it here is just that, pissing and moaning.

But surely you'll object and still insist that it's all secret and dirty and against the rules and that the Honorable Brands Bros. would never engage in such tactics.

I think you are the one pissing and moaning. Are you having a bad day? If so, I'd recommend departing this board.

 

[BigFreddy]

I think you are the one pissing and moaning. Are you having a bad day? If so, I'd recommend departing this board.

Nah. I'm having a GREAT day. Iowa fans are having a bad couple of years, and it's driving them to spend quite a bit of time and energy coming up with vague conspiracies and stalking kids' twitter accounts to search for pictures they can use to imply that something dirty must be happening or some loophole must be being taken advantage of.

I thought I'd help by providing some actual facts (which are quite easily found, btw), which when faced with, instead of responding to, you backed down and changed tacts by asking me if I had a bad day.

 

[lookleft goright]

I think you are the one pissing and moaning. Are you having a bad day? If so, I'd recommend departing this board.

I have to agree with you whejoe. I thought Brands simply stated a simple truth. He was not whining or complaining or pointing fingers. I don't know how someone can accuse him of whining from what he said.

Big Freddy may be a bit over sensitive on this one.

All I can say is if I hear another interview like that, I may have to send the HWC some money also. The Brands brothers sure seem to have their hearts in the right place.

 

[BigFreddy]

I have to agree with you whejoe. I thought Brands simply stated a simple truth. He was not whining or complaining or pointing fingers. I don't know how someone can accuse him of whining from what he said.

Big Freddy may be a bit over sensitive on this one.

All I can say is if I hear another interview like that, I may have to send the HWC some money also. The Brands brothers sure seem to have their hearts in the right place.

The bulk of my response was direct at AzChief, who's using the pictures a high school kid posted to imply (incorrectly) that something illegal or borderline illegal was happening w.r.t. Penn State recruiting..

Sorry if I offended you by pointing out a simple fact that it's clearly within the rules and that the implication was wrong. In my mind, the one that's having a bad day is the one searching kid's Twitter accounts years back to look for evidence to support his skewed worldview, not the guy saying "hey buddy, what you're implying is flat out wrong". But to each his own.

 

[dicemen99]

One of the things he specifically says is going to a high school practice to see a junior recruit is not allowed (37 minute mark). Sanderson went to see Beard's practice not that long ago. A 5 year old can connect those dots and incidentally, yes, it is allowed as long as he doesn't talk to him.

As far as the Beard practice, it can be one of two things that are perfectly legal by NCAA regulations:

1) He could be visiting the Malvern club practice, which is the top club in SE PA. Virtually every top wrestler in SE PA has spent some time in that room and it is located on Malvern's campus. Two of the Malvern coaches are ex-PSUers. So exactly like the example that Terry gave on his radio show of him visiting the Young Guns practice.

2) He could have went to Malvern HS practice to see another wrestler. Malvern has a kid who is currently uncommitted who finished 4th at National Preps. A walk-on type of kid, but being at Malvern probably has good academics and is the type of kid who generally fills out a roster at PSU (and at Iowa for that matter). Now would Cael typically make a 2 1/2 hour drive to visit a walk-on? Yes, if it is going to give him visibility to a wrestler he will later fully recruit - and this is within the rules.

Also, Cael IS allowed to speak to Beard and/or his parents during this visit. As long as the conversation is perfunctory and not substantive (I believe the example given in the NCAA rules is a 10 minute conversation). Any substantive conversations are regulated by the NCAA and there is a limit to how many you may have during the legal recruiting period (I believe the limit is three, but not going to look it up right now).

So there are really no dots to connect, unless, as another poster stated, someone is suggesting that Terry is not aware of the recruiting rules. Which is ludicrous.

Also, if Cael was bending some rules here, why on earth would he allow himself to be photographed so it can be shown on social media? Just a lot of reaching on this thread.

 

[minnhawkeye]

Yup we love to reach and don't think we need your approval?

 

[dicemen99]

I'll give you an example: Recruit X lives 712.6 miles from Iowa City but he only lives 165.1 miles to Penn State. Recruit X, gets invited to hangout with PSU wrestlers oh I don't know...let's say a day at the lake and/or they show up to recruit X's practices to roll with him. Given the geographical distances, would that not validate what Terry says? Or, they they can attend PSU football games on the sidelines together.

If I didn't know Nolf and Teasdale knew each other, this would sure look like a recruit hosting weekend to me:

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I usually like what you post chief, but this is complete garbage. As posted before, high school students are allowed unlimited unofficial visits and may be offered sideline passes to games. You see this all the time in football recruiting - some kids are there to see games a bunch of times.

Teasdale and Nolf are close friends. Does it suprise you that they would hang out on the sidelines while he is there taking in a game. How would you make the leap to this being a recruit being hosted???

Sasso heads up to Rutgers all the time and is friends with some of the wrestlers up there. He practices with the SKWC regularly. Is Rutgers doing something illegal in his recruitment? The answer is no.

 

[snotknockerhawk]

I'll give you an example: Recruit X lives 712.6 miles from Iowa City but he only lives 165.1 miles to Penn State. Recruit X, gets invited to hangout with PSU wrestlers oh I don't know...let's say a day at the lake and/or they show up to recruit X's practices to roll with him. Given the geographical distances, would that not validate what Terry says? Or, they they can attend PSU football games on the sidelines together.

If I didn't know Nolf and Teasdale knew each other, this would sure look like a recruit hosting weekend to me:

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I usually like what you post chief, but this is complete garbage. As posted before, high school students are allowed unlimited unofficial visits and may be offered sideline passes to games. You see this all the time in football recruiting - some kids are there to see games a bunch of times.

Teasdale and Nolf are close friends. Does it suprise you that they would hang out on the sidelines while he is there taking in a game. How would you make the leap to this being a recruit being hosted???

Sasso heads up to Rutgers all the time and is friends with some of the wrestlers up there. He practices with the SKWC regularly. Is Rutgers doing something illegal in his recruitment? The answer is no.

How do you offer up free sideline passes without some sort of contact before July of their junior year? Hmmm...maybe by stretching the rules?

 

[IowaFan1414]

I almost typed a response to one of the posters in this thread, then I thought, "Why would I do that?" I enjoy reading this board far too much to get caught up in an online argument with a moron.

Now, someone please explain how the ignore function works. Thanks in advance.

 

[LaxHawk174]

I almost typed a response to one of the posters in this thread, then I thought, "Why would I do that?" I enjoy reading this board far too much to get caught up in an online argument with a moron.

Now, someone please explain how the ignore function works. Thanks in advance.

Click on someones username, then a box will come up with their profile information.. there will be 3 options near the top-- Profile page ... Follow ... ignore. Select ignore.

Btw, Love your signature

 

[dicemen99]

How do you offer up free sideline passes without some sort of contact before July of their junior year? Hmmm...maybe by stretching the rules?

Recruits are allowed to contact the university to let them know they are coming unofficially - they know the rules and they want to get on the sidelines. Wouldn't you????

As Jts posted - do you think the Iowa staff was unaware that Teasdale was coming to Iowa last year? This is all within the rules.

 

[Jts1990]

Pointing out a geographical limitation to support Terry's thoughts is paranoia and comparable to Spyker? Or is the picture of a current PSU wrestler with a targeted recruit down on the field (usually you only get these pics on official visits). Must have been Teasdale's rich uncle that got him down on the field. Here is Hall's official visit...looks familiar.

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Any pics of Spencer Lee and Gavin Teasdale at the Grapple on the Gridiron? Curious what kind of seats they had at the Olympic Trials last year as well..

 

[rossel 33]

Rossell, in typical fashion, you left a lot out. All anyone has to do is listen to the podcast to see what I am saying is accurate. There is a full 5 minutes dedicated to this subject, not just a couple sentences. (34-39 minutes)

btw, Seth Nevills just gave a verbal to PSU. All that illegal recruiting pays off again!

Nothing relevant was left out.

The only specific thing Brands mentioned was regarding the Mike Evans recruiting, where the parents were somewhat perplexed by Iowa not recruiting Evans early on, like other programs, and that Brands understanding was that by the letter of the law, he was not supposed to.

PSU was never mentioned.

Flying Tiger, you have a tendency toward knee jerk, over defensive responses, even if PSU is not even mentioned, as most around here already know.

 

[stjpsu]

How is your new president at Penn State coming along?
He gonna cover up shit like the one before him?
Just think it is such a great place and had such sick guys running it.
So I know it has nothing to do with the wrestling however; if something
does come up gonna cover it again? JoPa and them have no one to
blame for losing his great accomplishments. Be sad if something
did come about the great Cael..I'm not pissing and whining just saying
like it is.

Seriously?

 

[Jts1990]

Seriously?

Lol. Yes....he's quite serious..

 

[SPOONER]

No rich uncle needed. NCAA guidelines on UNOFFICIAL visits:

"An institution may provide a prospect with three complimentary admissions to a home athletics event."

Here's a link:
http://compliance.louisiana.edu/sites/compliance/files/Official and Unofficial Visits1.pdf

So your implication that something isn't above board there falls flat. No one can help that recruits don't grow up closer to Iowa, so I don't see the point in you or your assistant coach whining about it.

Do we know that Terry was citing any of the scenarios presented (poorly) by Iowa fans in this thread?

 

[AldenT]

Lol. Yes....he's quite serious..

Jealous, ignorant, and pathetic is no way to go thru (or end) life.

 

[BeastMode177]

Jealous, ignorant, and pathetic is no way to go thru (or end) life.

An Iowa trademark these days.

 

[El-Jefe]

Chief, didn't Teasdale commit somewhere other than PSU after that pic was taken?

 

[AngryOtter42]

How is your new president at Penn State coming along?
He gonna cover up shit like the one before him?
Just think it is such a great place and had such sick guys running it.
So I know it has nothing to do with the wrestling however; if something
does come up gonna cover it again? JoPa and them have no one to
blame for losing his great accomplishments. Be sad if something
did come about the great Cael..I'm not pissing and whining just saying
like it is.

Now you are looking desperate.... Just stop!

 

[AngryOtter42]

I do a have a question for Iowa fans... Are you worried about the new coach at ISU? IMHO, he is going to revamp ISU into a national contender. If he can do it at VT, he will def. do it at ISU. In a few years, this I how I see it.... PSU, OSU, Minny, Okie St., VT and ISU will be ahead of Iowa. Not flaming, just my honest opinion.

 

[MavHawk1]

In a few years? That's pretty general, why not be more specific?

I do a have a question for Iowa fans... Are you worried about the new coach at ISU? IMHO, he is going to revamp ISU into a national contender. If he can do it at VT, he will def. do it at ISU. In a few years, this I how I see it.... PSU, OSU, Minny, Okie St., VT and ISU will be ahead of Iowa. Not flaming, just my honest opinion.

 

[CropDuster507]

College coaches have been stretching rules for a while. The only reason we're hearing about it now is because we have more wrestling media and exposure than ever before. It has the positive of giving us more to talk about, but also the negative of giving us more to talk about. I wouldn't be surprised if Terry was talking about someone other than Cael. There's more coaches in the nation. Great interview, though. I like that Terry acknowledges that people talk down upon them, and then explains his reasoning and the actual story (I.E. Clark throw).

 

[Leepe]

Any pics of Spencer Lee and Gavin Teasdale at the Grapple on the Gridiron? Curious what kind of seats they had at the Olympic Trials last year as well..

The Young Guns crew (including Spencer) was in Section L Rows 18 and 19 for the Olympic Trials. Good seats for viewing Freestyle, but not exactly mat side.

 

[Jts1990]

The Young Guns crew (including Spencer) was in Section L Rows 18 and 19 for the Olympic Trials. Good seats for viewing Freestyle, but not exactly mat side.

Yeah, I seem to remember some of you being happy about Teasdale and Lee being seen hanging out with Iowa wrestlers at the trial, one being Matt McDonough..