The reformation had nothing to do with the Jews, kid. Have you people ever read a history book or watched a GD documentary?
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The reformation had nothing to do with the Jews, kid. Have you people ever read a history book or watched a GD documentary?
YOU said "Germany wasn't exactly a Christian nation."
I pointed out that Germany was the home of the Reformation and was a very Christian nation.
What does your comment "The reformation had nothing to do with the Jews, kid" have to do with that?
You're talking about Germany 300+ years before WWII. What good does that do us in this conversation? How about we go back to the times of Christ, where Germany was a pagan nation. How about that?
How about you just admit you were wrong when you said Germany wasn't a very Christian nation?
It wasn't during WWII, which is the time-frame we are talking about. One Monk deciding to try to change the Catholic church, 300-400 years prior, doesn't change that.
I thought you liked to go for the root, not the symptoms. I recall you making that argument recently. I gave you the root cause of anti semitism. It's the early Christian leaders who inserted passages into the Bible to make anti semitism OK. It has plagued the Jewish people for centuries all around the world. The Nazies were Christians for the most part. And Italy and Europe and the US wasn't pro Jewish in the 1930's. You have some odd ideas about history.
I think you're wrong and I challenge you to produce proof of this statement. And the monk would have been more like 1800 years or so. Whenever you want to date the Gospels. Like I said, your grasp of history is in question.
I'm tired of you repeating yourself. I'm watching the FSU vs. UM game. I'll check in here every so often. If you have anything new to add, I'll hopefully be here to comment on that.
That bourdon is on you as you are making a counter intuitive claim. How do you phase this? "I'll accept your surrender,". I think I got that right. Enjoy your game.
Read a book, or watch a documentary on Nazi Germany. They all pretty much say what I'm saying. Or don't, I don't care. Just don't try to project your ignorance on someone who actually knows something about the subject.
Not gonna look it up now. I don't even honestly know what I'm going to do to make you accept this fact. I've seen you people "argue" on here. Even if I took you back in time, and talked to every single person in 1930's Germany, you wouldn't accept that they weren't a big Christian nation. Of course, on the flip side, you can't even understand something so simple as the fact that people are making hundreds of millions, maybe even billions, off global warming.
You are the true believer, sir. I'm not sure there is anything I can say/show you that might have a chance at taking apart your house of cards.
You are the true believer, sir. I'm not sure there is anything I can say/show you that might have a chance at taking apart your house of cards.
I mean, what do you do with someone who won't read a book or watch a documentary, and will just plead his ignorance on anything you post because he's unwilling to learn and can't comprehend anything that will disturb the house of cards. I guess I put you on ignore.
Well I find posting evidence helps make a point. It's fun that notion is alien to your thinking.
It's pretty easy. You google it. Find a link. Copy it and paste it here like such.
http://www.ushmm.org/wlc/mobile/en/article.php?ModuleId=10005206
You can even copy the relevant bit right in your post like this:
The population of Germany in 1933 was around 60 million. Almost all Germans were Christian, belonging either to the Roman Catholic (ca. 20 million members) or the Protestant (ca. 40 million members) churches. The Jewish community in Germany in 1933 was less than 1% of the total population of the country.
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In an attempt to put this into perspective for some people. Imagine people who have a last name beginning with J starting to be arrested or deported to who knows where. Does anyone really believe that these widely distributed people who do not know each other and have only the last name in common are going to form an army and defend themselves from a horrific police state. Such were the Jews of Germany who, until Hitler and his crazies came along, felt much like any other ordinary German and who could not believe what was happening to them.
I just looked it up and ran across the same link. As you said, not too hard to find.
Wikipedia also has some useful data at
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religion_in_Nazi_Germany
While we hear of some oddball Nazis into paganism and such, Wiki reports "The majority of the three million Nazi Party members continued to pay their church taxes and register as either Roman Catholic or Evangelical Protestant Christians."
Hold up, they had church taxes? So they even had to pay to be counted as Christians and they still did it? That's sort of a home run.
Germany wasn't merely a Christian nation, it was a GOOD Christian nation. Apparently.
If only the thin skinned libertarian hadn't censored us, we could gloat.
When you say Christians do you mean the Jews who followed Jesus and spread Christianity after he rose, or do you mean the non-Jews who didn't know about him until the Jews told them?
I mean the gospel writers and Bible compilers and Christian Church leaders for centuries.
Really. That's what you are retreating to?
Better to admit you were wrong than double down.
No, it's a lot different. Ben isn't misinformed. He has likely received much more information on Biology and Geology than the average person. He just chooses to ignore that knowledge to maintain his personal world view. He has shown us he is not likely to act rationally when facts conflict with faith.
Would you rather have a president who is too stupid or willfully uninformed to know the truth, or one who knows the truth and willfully rejects it?
Obviously no sane person would vote for either. But if we have to have one or the other, I guess the better choice is the ignorant one. At least he might come to learn the truth and act on it.
I agree, easier to fix stupid than irrational.
That's a perfectly legitimate option. But I hope not. We seem to be able to discuss some other issues sensibly.
And antisemitism remains alive and well in both America and Europe, in fact, it's on the rise in Europe, especially among the various right wing parties that prey on xenophobia.
Do you really think that everyone who claims to be religious is actually practicing?
Did you intend to pick up the flag he dropped? If so, it's still on the ground waiting for you to raise it high and make a case. But you may want to save yourself some time and read through the rest of the thread or it could get embarrassing for you. Fair warning.
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