Gun Control In Nazi Germany - Confiscations? Not So Much

[Noble Hawk]

Did you intend to pick up the flag he dropped? If so, it's still on the ground waiting for you to raise it high and make a case. But you may want to save yourself some time and read through the rest of the thread or it could get embarrassing for you. Fair warning.

More embarrassing than you 1800 year comment?

 

[naturalmwa]

More embarrassing than you 1800 year comment?

When do you think the gospels were written?

 

[Chewback]

Clearly what Obama should do is ram through a bipartisan gun control relaxation bill that would make it easier to have guns. And then while the gun folks are celebrating, issue an executive order banning Republicans from having guns.

Wow. That is the first decent idea I've heard in years.

 

[Chewback]

I guess they didn't have to take away the guns because they assumed the Jews would just roll over and take it. They guessed right.

Which is pretty much what modern day US citizens would do. The Jews figured going along was getting along. They figured if they played along, they'd be OK. Kind of like the idea the right is always promoting when you're approached by a cop - IF YOU HAVE NOTHING TO HIDE YOU HAVE NOTHING TO FEAR. I know a few of the heroes on HROT would fight back (yeah right), but the vast majority of Americans would put their weapons on the ground and raise their hands if confronted by authority. Bank on it.

 

[Chewback]

In an attempt to put this into perspective for some people. Imagine people who have a last name beginning with J starting to be arrested or deported to who knows where. Does anyone really believe that these widely distributed people who do not know each other and have only the last name in common are going to form an army and defend themselves from a horrific police state. Such were the Jews of Germany who, until Hitler and his crazies came along, felt much like any other ordinary German and who could not believe what was happening to them.

Nice try h, but you're trying to talk to HROT wingers. They are all heroes and THEY WOULD FIGHT BACK!!. Never mind that if I raised a fist to them they would fall on the ground peeing their pants and begging for mercy. THEY ARE HEROES!

 

[Guido Sarducci]

Let me tell my grandfather that if he has just had a gun he could have fought off the nazis.

He says derp.

I understand the emotions behind your arguments, but I'm surprised logically you are challenging the OP.

The 1938 gun laws he cherry picked from freaking WIKIPEDIA may seem on the surface more lax, but they effectively made guns illegal to the very group being persecuted. Whether or not this would have prevented significant portions of the holocaust, what a shockingly lazy and stupid argument. Regardless of your anecdotal experience -- and i understand how that could affect you -- the OP presented a crap wikipedia reference that mostly argues against his point.

 

[Mattski]

The same Wiki article also references a subsequent "executive order" (see what I did there?) barring Jews from having guns. Just in case the reasonableness of most of the 1938 law had anyone fooled. But it very well could have had a lot of Germans fooled, at the time, since it mostly relaxed gun controls.

Just to get back on topic, sure seems like the purpose of restricting gun ownership of jews was subsequently achieved no?

 

[Noble Hawk]

When do you think the gospels were written?

Roughly 1400 years before the monk being referenced confronted Johann Tetzel with his "Ninety Five Theses".

But by all means, continue to make me look stupid.

 

[naturalmwa]

Roughly 1400 years before the monk being referenced confronted Johann Tetzel with his "Ninety Five Theses".

But by all means, continue to make me look stupid.

And wouldn't thst be about 1800 years before 1930? You don't need my help looking stupid. Your inability to follow the discussion does that just fine. I'm happy to point it out however.

 

[dgordo]

I understand the emotions behind your arguments, but I'm surprised logically you are challenging the OP.

The 1938 gun laws he cherry picked from freaking WIKIPEDIA may seem on the surface more lax, but they effectively made guns illegal to the very group being persecuted. Whether or not this would have prevented significant portions of the holocaust, what a shockingly lazy and stupid argument. Regardless of your anecdotal experience -- and i understand how that could affect you -- the OP presented a crap wikipedia reference that mostly argues against his point.

I can only go but what i was told by the people who were there. Sure its anecdotal but he said when he was taken away he had no idea where he was going and what he would see. There was no real reason for him to fight back. Even if he had, when 10 guys with guns show up at your door its unlikely you would take them all out and live. My grandfather is what most any person would consider a gun nut. I believe at one point he owned 50 some guns. If he says having 100 guns wouldn't have helped him i believe it.

 

[Noble Hawk]

And wouldn't thst be about 1800 years before 1930? You don't need my help looking stupid. Your inability to follow the discussion does that just fine. I'm happy to point it out however.

Ok. So the reference wasn't Martin Luther and you weren't off by 1400 years with you comment that the monk was 1800 years before?

No sense in continuing to debate this with a child that wants nothing more than to win an argument in an internet message board regardless of where the goal post ends up.

Enjoy your evening.

 

[naturalmwa]

Ok. So the reference wasn't Martin Luther and you weren't off by 1400 years with you comment that the monk was 1800 years before?

No sense in continuing to debate this with a child that wants nothing more than to win an argument in an internet message board regardless of where the goal post ends up.

Enjoy your evening.

The reference was the gospel writers which I explicitly pointed out. There is no debate. You just stepped in it.