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There are people still alive in this country who had to use separate drinking fountains, had to sit at the back of the bus, and much, much worse.
Of course America has had a history of racism. But, Haley is too afraid to admit it and upset the maga base.
 
Because one person lied racism doesn’t exist, eh?
Lots of things exist, doesn't mean it's a wide spread rampant issue. Of course there are racists assholes of all colors in this country. But the idea that some random racist is trying to board an elevator in a secured area for members of congress and doesn't know someone else trying to board the elevator wasn't supposed to get on because she's black seems really far fetched.
 
Your comment comes off as over essentializing racism. If slavery was a building block, there were many other types of blocks in use, as you apparently admit.

Our country didn't need slavery to exist or thrive.
Half the country disagreed with you until 1865, then most of them spent the next century insisting that Jim Crow was necessary as well. And it's not like African Americans were treated well in northern states. All the northern cities needed to do to draw upon the supply of cheap labor was to be a little better than Jim Crow, which was a pretty low bar.
 
Your comment comes off as over essentializing racism. If slavery was a building block, there were many other types of blocks in use, as you apparently admit.

Our country didn't need slavery to exist or thrive.
If we didn't need it that makes it even worse you realize that right? I always thought the argument was England and the crown brought the slaves here and it was too intertwined and complex to do anything about so they kicked the can down the road. If they didn't need it and they kept it anyway you see that is far worse right?
 
If we didn't need it that makes it even worse you realize that right? I always thought the argument was England and the crown brought the slaves here and it was too intertwined and complex to do anything about so they kicked the can down the road. If they didn't need it and they kept it anyway you see that is far worse right?
I'm not excusing slavery, it does need to be mentioned that there were black slave owners, and it was globally accepted for the time period, and pretty much all of human history prior to the existence of the United States. 200 years from now what's left of civilization will be appalled at what we accept today as standard practice.
 
I'm not excusing slavery, it does need to be mentioned that there were black slave owners, and it was globally accepted for the time period, and pretty much all of human history prior to the existence of the United States. 200 years from now what's left of civilization will be appalled at what we accept today as standard practice.
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True, you have to play up your white guilt if you want to win over democrats.
well first thing u need to do is admit a problem exists. Red lining still has an affect on the African American community today. Acknowledging mistakes isn’t weaknesses. Fact it’s a strength. Supposed to help us grow and learn to become a better society.
An example would be Killers of Flower Moon. Hopefully this new anti immigrant wave doesn’t lead to having some of their assets seized. Because they are here illegally or not real Americans Etc etc.
 
I'm not excusing slavery, it does need to be mentioned that there were black slave owners, and it was globally accepted for the time period, and pretty much all of human history prior to the existence of the United States. 200 years from now what's left of civilization will be appalled at what we accept today as standard practice.
Why does this need to be mentioned?
 
If Haley doesn't do REALLY well in the SC primary in a couple weeks, it's difficult to see her lasting much longer.

At some point, the anti Trump SuperPacs might just decide to save their $$$ for Senate and House candidates.
IMO
 
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If Haley doesn't do REALLY well in the SC primary in a couple weeks, it's difficult to see her lasting much longer.

At some point, the anti Trump SuperPacs might just decide to save their $$$ for Senate and House candidates.
IMO
If she doesn’t win New Hampshire it’s over. No momentum from winning your home state.
 
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If she doesn’t win New Hampshire it’s over. No momentum from winning your home state.
Our resident South Carolinian @pepsicock doesnt give me much confidence that she’ll win there, either. Showing the world you’ll happily eat Donald Trump’s shit is about as good as it gets if you’re a Republican, no matter what state you live in.
 
Why does this need to be mentioned?
Because slavery wasn't exclusive to white Americans. It was infect brought to an end by them... We don't condemn all the other cultures that used slaves... where's the Egyptian hate for slavery? Slavery wasn't a white man crime, it was a period crime and the debt to be paid belongs to the world not white America.
 
Not sure where Haley ends up after the general election, but I'd say she doesn't want to burn any bridges and she wants to be relevant in the GOP.

If all else fails, there's always Boeing.
 
My thinking is...every non-Trump republican running needs, literally, EVERY SINGLE VOTE that can be had from their own voters. Therefore, they brush over questions like these to offend absolutely nobody that could possibly be undecided.

It really is incredible to watch...that kind of desperation.
 
The discussion isn't about who to blame, or who did what. It's about actually being able to admit that America has a racist past. Which should not be that controversial.
Yes.

Instead of acting like a kid who won’t eat his broccoli, it would’ve been so easy to just say something like,

“Jake, I believe our country was founded on principle that all men are created equal. I do believe, in principle, we’re not a racist country at our core.

However, over our history we have sometimes struggled and clearly didn’t live up to those principles. Even our founders fell short in this area. Racism - and especially slavery- is an ugly part of our country’s past. I think we’ve made great strides and great progress but obviously it’s still an issue today.”
 
My thinking is...every non-Trump republican running needs, literally, EVERY SINGLE VOTE that can be had from their own voters. Therefore, they brush over questions like these to offend absolutely nobody that could possibly be undecided.

It really is incredible to watch...that kind of desperation.
^^^^^^^After MAGA in the GOP, there's only about 30% to court.

At least that 30% can read and write!
 
Slavery wasn't a white man crime, it was a period crime and the debt to be paid belongs to the world not white America.
I'm glad that you have put the historical record in its proper context - specifically with regard to slavery in American history JFC.
 
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Because slavery wasn't exclusive to white Americans. It was infect brought to an end by them... We don't condemn all the other cultures that used slaves... where's the Egyptian hate for slavery? Slavery wasn't a white man crime, it was a period crime and the debt to be paid belongs to the world not white America.
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The discussion isn't about who to blame, or who did what. It's about actually being able to admit that America has a racist past. Which should not be that controversial.
The world has a racist past, the difference here is we've tried to address it and grow from it. Not always at the pace or level everyone would have liked, but we didn't pioneer slavery or racism, but we are pioneering the end of them.
 
The world has a racist past, the difference here is we've tried to address it and grow from it. Not always at the pace or level everyone would have liked, but we didn't pioneer slavery or racism, but we are pioneering the end of them.
Haley could have said that, and it would have been a much better answer.
 
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well first thing u need to do is admit a problem exists. Red lining still has an affect on the African American community today. Acknowledging mistakes isn’t weaknesses. Fact it’s a strength. Supposed to help us grow and learn to become a better society.
An example would be Killers of Flower Moon. Hopefully this new anti immigrant wave doesn’t lead to having some of their assets seized. Because they are here illegally or not real Americans Etc etc.
Exactly. Don't forget how the prison industrial complex disproportionally affects black and brown folks too - white people are just as likely (if not more) to use and sell drugs but are 13 to 14 times less likely to spend time in prison for said crimes. Racism very much exists today, it's just hidden from public view under the guise of justice. Slavery still exists today in this country, read the 13th amendment.
 
This is so tiresome. Maybe 50 to 100 years ago... If you have good credit and save money for a down payment the bank will give you a loan.
Many don't have good credit, or the ability to save much money because of the hole they started in, because their parents started in a hole, and their grandparents too.
It can take a much bigger effort to overcome that obstacle, than so many others have to face.
So easy to say, 'just save some money', but in reality, that can mean overcoming generations of obstacles.
Sure, it can be done, but we shouldn't pretend that there is a level playing field. There isn't. And, that's ok to admit.
 
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Many don't have good credit, or the ability to save much money because of the hole they started in, because their parents started in a hole, and their grandparents too.
It can take a much bigger effort to overcome that obstacle, than so many others have to face.
So easy to say, 'just save some money', but in reality, that can mean overcoming generations of obstacles.
Sure, it can be done, but we shouldn't pretend that there is a level playing field. There isn't. And, that's ok to admit.
Yep. Life isn't fair. I don't get paid 40 million a year to play a sports game... Victim mentality is so weak. Black people are the only people in the history of the world to encounter struggles!
 
Yep. Life isn't fair. I don't get paid 40 million a year to play a sports game... Victim mentality is so weak. Black people are the only people in the history of the world to encounter struggles!
It's ok to admit that some people encounter more obstacles because of how they were treated for hundreds of years. Not sure why you're so sensitive about that fact.
 
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