Hamas is Terrible

[GOHOX69]

Do you think we would find better clues in the wars America has lost since then? I don't.

Quit ducking the question, and apply your 21st century morality to FDR's actions.
Do you, today, think FDR should have offered the Japanese a ceasefire after we slaughtered 190,000 civilians in Okinawa to get at the 90,000 combatants we killed (fewer than 8,000 surrendered)


We can, but let's get you to answer this one first.

I don't see a parallel to what Israel is doing and what fdr did to the Japanese. Do you want to intern Japanese Americans in camps as well? You keep running your useless analogy. I pay zero attention to your delusional idiocy. Thankfully, the rest of the world has a functional brain and Israel is being referred to the international Court of justice for genocide. That's pretty sad for a sovereign nation that most supported less than a year ago. If the US didn't prop up Israel, it wouldn't exist.

 

[Colonoscopy]

Do you think we would find better clues in the wars America has lost since then? I don't.

Quit ducking the question, and apply your 21st century morality to FDR's actions.
Do you, today, think FDR should have offered the Japanese a ceasefire after we slaughtered 190,000 civilians in Okinawa to get at the 90,000 combatants we killed (fewer than 8,000 surrendered)


We can, but let's get you to answer this one first.

I think you're moving towards a more meaningful discussion.

How about what is and is not acceptable in modern warfare? When does an initially justifiable response go too far?

At what point would civilian collateral become unjustifiable in pursuit of national security?

Lots of great questions to explore in this conflict.

 

[FAUlty Gator]

Kill them. I don't think I've said anything otherwise. What you conveniently ignore is that the idf is killing innocent civilians, not hamas. Maybe they are cucks who can only murder women and kids.

Serious question:

As the dead body of the raped female Jew was dragged through the streets of Palestine on October 7th…every person lining the streets, cheered it on. Do you consider these folks to be “innocent civilians”? And if so, why do you expect anyone to shed a tear for any of them?

Do you think there’s some sort of large population in that country who weren’t on board with what happened on 10/7?

 

[GOHOX69]

Serious question:

As the dead body of the raped female Jew was dragged through the streets of Palestine on October 7th…every person lining the streets, cheered it on. Do you consider these folks to be “innocent civilians”? And if so, why do you expect anyone to shed a tear for any of them?

Do you think there’s some sort of large population in that country who weren’t on board with what happened on 10/7?

Serious questions.
You like bayoneting a pregnant woman?
How about killing kids? You like to do that?

 

[Colonoscopy]

Serious questions.
You like bayoneting a pregnant woman?
How about killing kids? You like to do that?

Supposing that's true.

Scale and context. Hamas clearly targeted a large number of civilians and was supported by leadership in doing so. It was quite deliberate.

You're comparing this to a small number of Israeli soldiers going rogue with no evidence leadership planned such attacks.

That's a terrible comparison.

 

[GOHOX69]

Supposing that's true.

Scale and context. Hamas clearly targeted a large number of civilians and was supported by leadership in doing so. It was quite deliberate.

You're comparing this to a small number of Israeli soldiers going rogue with no evidence leadership planned such attacks.

That's a terrible comparison.

You think a small number liquidated 30k people? Right.

 

[FAUlty Gator]

Serious questions.
You like bayoneting a pregnant woman?
How about killing kids? You like to do that?

Nope. Awful.

But glad to see you’re on board with cheering on the dragging of a naked freshly raped dead Jewish woman through town. Now we know where we stand at least.

Here’s some good footage for you of Hamas murdering innocent Gazans on Saturday.

 

[Colonoscopy]

You think a small number liquidated 30k people? Right.

What? Liquidated?(This does not looking anything like liquidation)

Obviously Israel has bombed the shit out of Gaza. Where do you think the vast majority of the deaths came from?

 

[GOHOX69]

Nope. Awful.

But glad to see you’re on board with cheering on the dragging of a naked freshly raped dead Jewish woman through town. Now we know where we stand at least.

Here’s some good footage for you of Hamas murdering innocent Gazans on Saturday.

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And when did I say that? Don't speak for me. I value human life. It's pretty fking simple. Regardless of religion.

 

[GOHOX69]

What? Liquidated?(This does not looking anything like liquidation)

Obviously Israel has bombed the shit out of Gaza. Where do you think the vast majority of the deaths came from?

You tell me. You are saying all of those were legitimate targets?

 

[Colonoscopy]

You tell me. You are saying all of those were legitimate targets?

Yeah it's my impression that the majority were legitimate targets based on trying eliminate Hamas. I'm not reading/hearing otherwise.

The question is whether attacks are reasonable given the level of civilian casualty we're seeing.

You're flailing.

 

[FAUlty Gator]

And when did I say that? Don't speak for me. I value human life. It's pretty fking simple. Regardless of religion.

Good. That’s more than can be said for those adult “innocent civilians”, cheering on that dead girl getting dragged through the streets.

 

[SIRHAWKALOT]

Kill them. I don't think I've said anything otherwise. What you conveniently ignore is that the idf is killing innocent civilians, not hamas. Maybe they are cucks who can only murder women and kids.

For someone who says he sees both sides' arguments, you have no problem trying to fuel the flames of Hamas propaganda.

So why hasn't Hamas released all the innocent people taken hostage, which could have curbed some of the innocent lives taken in Palestine? Israel as much as said in the beginning return the hostages and they would talk.

Yet Hamas has no problem making sure the media knows when one of the hostages is killed by "friendly Israeli fire"....um maybe because they use them as human shields? It's easy to see, for me at least, that they use misleading information to increase anger worldwide. Seems to be a page out of the Russia/Iran playbook.

 

[Hans81]

I don't see a parallel to what Israel is doing and what fdr did to the Japanese. Do you want to intern Japanese Americans in camps as well? You keep running your useless analogy. I pay zero attention to your delusional idiocy. Thankfully, the rest of the world has a functional brain and Israel is being referred to the international Court of justice for genocide. That's pretty sad for a sovereign nation that most supported less than a year ago. If the US didn't prop up Israel, it wouldn't exist.

So, you don’t think Israel has a right to exist?

 

[Hans81]

Serious questions.
You like bayoneting a pregnant woman?
How about killing kids? You like to do that?

How about you answer his question first?

 

[GOHOX69]

How about you answer his question first?

I think I've answered that many times. I think Israel lasts without America and should but doesn't become a barbaric killing machine. @Colonoscopy you're supposedly bright. Hospitals and apartment buildings generally aren't war targets. Last point. If Israel wants the hostages back, agree to a ceasefire and quit killing innocent Palestinians. This isn't just my view; these are the views of Israeli jews who want precisely this, who block highways in Tel Aviv and want war criminal Netanyahu gone. Read the Israeli newspaper, the Haaretz. It might open your eyes.

 

[seminole97]

I don't see a parallel to what Israel is doing and what fdr did to the Japanese.

Killing them until they surrender. See: war

Now answer the question.

 

[GOHOX69]

Killing them until they surrender. See: war

Now answer the question.

Get some help man. Seriously.

 

[Colonoscopy]

I think I've answered that many times. I think Israel lasts without America and should but doesn't become a barbaric killing machine. @Colonoscopy you're supposedly bright. Hospitals and apartment buildings generally aren't war targets. Last point. If Israel wants the hostages back, agree to a ceasefire and quit killing innocent Palestinians. This isn't just my view; these are the views of Israeli jews who want precisely this, who block highways in Tel Aviv and want war criminal Netanyahu gone. Read the Israeli newspaper, the Haaretz. It might open your eyes.

I've already indicated my current position on this.

Of course targeting civilians and their structures is wrong if done on the basis of their presence. But how much of this is happening as a percentage of total civilian casualty? Are these mistakes? Rogue military behavior? Planned?

This has a large effect on position. It's degree.

And again, it's my understanding that the vast majority of the targets are on the basis of trying to eliminate Hamas, even if in or around civilian structures.

Feel free to present me evidence to change my mind.

 

[SansAgain]

This discussion is refreshing. Finally an intelligent civil debate on this on this board.

 

[GOHOX69]

I've already indicated my current position on this.

Of course targeting civilians and their structures is wrong if done on the basis of their presence. But how much of this is happening as a percentage of total civilian casualty? Are these mistakes? Rogue military behavior? Planned?

This has a large effect on position. It's degree.

And again, it's my understanding that the vast majority of the targets are on the basis of trying to eliminate Hamas, even if in or around civilian structures.

Feel free to present me evidence to change my mind.

Israeli attacks wipe out entire families in Gaza

Amnesty International has documented damning evidence of war crimes.

www.amnesty.org

 

[SIRHAWKALOT]

I think I've answered that many times. I think Israel lasts without America and should but doesn't become a barbaric killing machine. @Colonoscopy you're supposedly bright. Hospitals and apartment buildings generally aren't war targets. Last point. If Israel wants the hostages back, agree to a ceasefire and quit killing innocent Palestinians. This isn't just my view; these are the views of Israeli jews who want precisely this, who block highways in Tel Aviv and want war criminal Netanyahu gone. Read the Israeli newspaper, the Haaretz. It might open your eyes.

The hospitals that Hamas uses as their headquarters, again using innocent civilians as their shield?

Or should we use the example of untruthful propaganda by Hamas and Iran blaming Israel for the December bombing of a hospital in Gaza, which ended up being a faulty missile or missile launched not by Israel? All the media around the world took the story and ran with it, sparking outrage early on, and no one listened to Israel that they were still investigating what happened. Well then a couple weeks later all the major media outlets (NY Times, Washington Post etc) all issued apologies for releasing stories without researching it enough. Damage was already done, minor victory for Hamas in that aspect.

Keep believing the side you defend is telling you the truth. I am not saying both sides are completely innocent, but one side continually is blasting the other in the media, while the other is going about their war after being attacked.


Click this for one story about it.

 

[GOHOX69]

Atrocities Present, Past and Future - Escalating Crimes and Consequences in Israel and Occupied Palestine - Global Centre for the Responsibility to Protect

For the last three weeks, unfathomable horrors have unfolded in Israel and Gaza. Likely war crimes and crimes against humanity have been perpetrated by both Hamas and Israel, and civilians have suffered the gravest consequences as hostilities and besiegement continue without respite. When Hamas...

www.globalr2p.org

 

[GOHOX69]

The Ghoulish Ostentatiousness of Israel’s Latest War Crimes

It’s as if Israel is flaunting its ethnic cleansing of Palestinians.

www.thenation.com

 

[GOHOX69]

Rights group says Israeli strike on Gaza building killed 106 in apparent war crime

Human Rights Watch says an Israeli strike on an apartment building in Gaza last October killed at least 106 civilians, including 54 children.

apnews.com

 

[seminole97]

Get some help man. Seriously.

I’m always amazed at cowards afraid to share their opinion in an anonymous online forum.

Why can’t you answer yes or no?

I’ll tell you why.
Because you know it’s laughably stupid to have left the militarists in charge in Japan, or leaving the Nazis in power in Germany. But for some reason you think Hamas is going to make great neighbors?

You demand a ceasefire that would leave Hamas in power, so they can, as promised, launch more attacks like October 7th.

You can’t square the contradiction of why you concur FDR did the right thing by defeating the Japanese and removing the ‘barbarians’ from power at the price of hundreds of thousands of innocent civilians.
So you just avoid it. You can’t put together a cogent argument about why Hamas should be left in power, so you just try to distract from the question.

When I ask you how to remove Hamas from power, you refuse to answer that too. Because the only way to do so is obvious, and underway.

 

[GOHOX69]

From an Israeli newspaper,

Amid the Gaza war, is Israel's pro-peace camp facing extinction or resurrection?

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www.haaretz.com

 

[GOHOX69]

I’m always amazed at cowards afraid to share their opinion in an anonymous online forum.

Why can’t you answer yes or no?

I’ll tell you why.
Because you know it’s laughably stupid to have left the militarists in charge in Japan, or leaving the Nazis in power in Germany. But for some reason you think Hamas is going to make great neighbors?

You demand a ceasefire that would leave Hamas in power, so they can, as promised, launch more attacks like October 7th.

You can’t square the contradiction of why you concur FDR did the right thing by defeating the Japanese and removing the ‘barbarians’ from power at the price of hundreds of thousands of innocent civilians.
So you just avoid it. You can’t put together a cogent argument about why Hamas should be left in power, so you just try to distract from the question.

When I ask you how to remove Hamas from power, you refuse to answer that too. Because the only way to do so is obvious, and underway.

You need serious mental help. I hope you find a good psychiatrist.

 

[seminole97]

You need serious mental help. I hope you find a good psychiatrist.

Think there’s a therapist out there that can get you over your fear of sharing your opinion anonymously?
Coward.

 

[GOHOX69]

Think there’s a therapist out there that can get you over your fear of sharing your opinion anonymously?
Coward.

Better than a kid killer wannabe like you, bigoted fk face.

 

[seminole97]

Better than a kid killer wannabe like you, bigoted fk face.

Bigotry?
Naw, dog. This ain’t like the hard on daddy gave you for ‘Pukistanis’.

I just understand that war means death, even for innocents. That’s why I don’t support starting or joining one. But woe betide the mother****er that starts one with us, ‘cause I’d just as soon send the nukes after them than anyone’s child.

 

[dgordo]

 

[dgordo]

 

[alaskanseminole]

Same people would cheer if 9/11 happened again...

I'm pretty certain if 9/11 happened today, it wouldn't be the country unifying event that it was back then.

 

[alaskanseminole]

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It's crazy how the script got flipped so quickly. After 9/11 Americans were all "We'll put a boot in your a$$" Toby Keith style. Similarly Israelis were slaughtered and I pass little pasty white girls sporting free Palestine stickers on their cars.

On October 7, Hamas terrorists waged the deadliest attack on Jews since the Holocaust — slaughtering babies, raping women, burning whole families alive, and taking hundreds of innocent civilians hostage. Since October 7, more than 1,200 Israelis have been killed. Terrorists are still holding 132 men, women, and children in captivity.

 

[lucas80]

It's crazy how the script got flipped so quickly. After 9/11 Americans were all "We'll put a boot in your a$$" Toby Keith style. Similarly Israelis were slaughtered and I pass little pasty white girls sporting free Palestine stickers on their cars.

On October 7, Hamas terrorists waged the deadliest attack on Jews since the Holocaust — slaughtering babies, raping women, burning whole families alive, and taking hundreds of innocent civilians hostage. Since October 7, more than 1,200 Israelis have been killed. Terrorists are still holding 132 men, women, and children in captivity.

Some of this is fog of war, and some seems to be deliberate. Terrorism is bad, and I'm not pro Hamas by the way. Consumption of media has to be tempered.
Incidentally, lots of pasty girls, and men, in Israel want the war to end.

Takeaways from AP examination of how 2 debunked accounts of sexual violence on Oct. 7 originated

An AP examination of the handling of two debunked stories alleging that Hamas militants committed sexual assault during their Oct. 7 rampage in southern Israel shows how information can be clouded and distorted in the chaos of the conflict.

apnews.com

 

[dgordo]

 

[hydro2.0]

**** that guy and his family. Kill them all.

 

[onlyTheObvious]

Israel needs to find every single Hamas member and kill them.

The rinse repeat cycle of terrorists don’t shit then playing the victim card needs to end, and it ends by their death.

 

[Ronnie_B]

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