Hate Bama but Saban is a good coach
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I'm trying to figure out what Swinney was upset about. The only thing I could see is it looked like the player who recovered may have gotten a running start before the kicker approached the tee. But i'm not sure if that's illegal, though; provided he wasn't offsides, which he clearly wasn't.
That's why Saban has 4 national titles. Not afraid to take chances, just plays smart football. Clemson really should have clobbered Bama.....ST blunder, TE left wide open twice, Onside kick lead to another score. It's just good coaching, Bama saw something in the defense and exploited it, wish we had an OC with that kind of savvy. Difference between contenders and wanna bees....
I don't respect Saban from second-hand stories I have read about him from former players, and also because of the fact that Alabama (and other SEC) players will apparently openly discuss how they get paid in college with other players at the NFL combines.
With that said, he really is a great coach. Yes, he gets great recruiting classes which are generally one of the top 5, if not the best, in college football. But there's plenty of other coaches that get similar talent and never accomplish the same success. I believe it's underestimated how difficult it is to keep the same program elite year after year. Since Saban has been at Alabama, his program has been the gold standard.
With that said, he really is a great coach. Yes, he gets great recruiting classes which are generally one of the top 5, if not the best, in college football. But there's plenty of other coaches that get similar talent and never accomplish the same success. I believe it's underestimated how difficult it is to keep the same program elite year after year. Since Saban has been at Alabama, his program has been the gold standard.
Saban even said it himself, "in order to beat good team you have to take risks." He was upset with his defense and decided to take matter into his own hands. Gutsy call, but hey if your defense can't get a stop, why not try it. I am sure the other team wasn't expecting it.
I hate the SEC and even coach Saban, but the guy can flat out coach. They were upset after last years beatdown by OSU and they were on a revenge tour this year.
I hate the SEC and even coach Saban, but the guy can flat out coach. They were upset after last years beatdown by OSU and they were on a revenge tour this year.
Its a lot easier to be a good coach when you get 25 4 and 5 star recruits every year.
Really, 4 national titles and your a good coach. What does that make KF..... Play calling, in game strategy, personnel decisions have nothing to with recruiting. Even if we had 5 star players his staff would find a reason to sit them. Coaches like Saban, Meyer are just in a different class all the way around!
Head coaches are Football CEOs. He is the best current Football CEO, and one of the best ever.
I thought he was claiming he called timeout before the kick.
I thought he was claiming he called timeout before the kick.
If Saban is such a great coach, why didn't he win when he was at Michigan State or with the Dolphins? He is winning at places where he has the best players (LSU/Bama). He is really good at recruiting players to traditional powers.
I do give him credit for last night. He realized that Clemson was playing better than Bama and he knew that they needed something special to happen to win thus the onside kick. Clemson was better on offense and defense last night but those 2 special teams plays won the game for Bama.
I do give him credit for last night. He realized that Clemson was playing better than Bama and he knew that they needed something special to happen to win thus the onside kick. Clemson was better on offense and defense last night but those 2 special teams plays won the game for Bama.
So true.
I remember a few KF classes that were ranked in the top 20. And we went nowhere.
You are right that he has talent that is ready to go out of the gate. He uses the talent...Texas is a perfect example of talent and poor coaching. You need both to some degree. I agree that Clemson gave that game away, they were flat out coached. Saban has surrounded himself with great assistant coaches too.
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Uh, Saban isn't the first or only successful coach to point out that you have to take risks to beat good teams. Why, a few stupid hillbillies on this board have even suggested such a thing regarding KF's philosophy. Why, KF--new, old, whatever--is more conservative than Ted Cruz. KF would no more entertain the notion of an onside kick in that situation than giving up chewing gum and note taking.
You go against an outstanding opponent like Clemson, if you're Saban and Alabama you throw to a little used TE for over 200 yards and 2 TDs (he had less than 400 yards in 14 games coming in), and you use the element of surprise to steal the momentum--and the game--with the onside kick.
KF and Iowa play Stanford, with weeks to prepare, and play the same base defense and vanilla offense they played all year. Stanford uses a trick play for a TD. Iowa runs up the gut for nothing or gets sacked even though trailing 28-0.
All those shiny coach-of-the-year awards KF collected this season may be a bit questionable. His players went 12-0 despite him, and went 0-2 in a pair of the biggest games in program history because of him.
If someone could explain to KF that his stubborn ultraconservatism is actually a FAR bigger risk than anything else he could do, that would be a much bigger boon to the program than morning practices.
I strongly dislike Saban, Alabama, and the SEC, but Saban--and Urban Meyer--know that even with their rosters full of 5-star players, you can't always beat another good team by just doing what you do. That's the thing that will always separate KF from the truly greats...including Hayden Fry and Forest Evashevski.
You go against an outstanding opponent like Clemson, if you're Saban and Alabama you throw to a little used TE for over 200 yards and 2 TDs (he had less than 400 yards in 14 games coming in), and you use the element of surprise to steal the momentum--and the game--with the onside kick.
KF and Iowa play Stanford, with weeks to prepare, and play the same base defense and vanilla offense they played all year. Stanford uses a trick play for a TD. Iowa runs up the gut for nothing or gets sacked even though trailing 28-0.
All those shiny coach-of-the-year awards KF collected this season may be a bit questionable. His players went 12-0 despite him, and went 0-2 in a pair of the biggest games in program history because of him.
If someone could explain to KF that his stubborn ultraconservatism is actually a FAR bigger risk than anything else he could do, that would be a much bigger boon to the program than morning practices.
I strongly dislike Saban, Alabama, and the SEC, but Saban--and Urban Meyer--know that even with their rosters full of 5-star players, you can't always beat another good team by just doing what you do. That's the thing that will always separate KF from the truly greats...including Hayden Fry and Forest Evashevski.
Saban is a slime ball snake if a human being. No respect for that guy at all agree some of the crap he's pulled.
Until the NCAA makes EVERY team play by the same rules when it comes to recruiting and travel, the SEC should win every national championship. And none of their players will graduate or get anywhere in live with the shit education they get at those schools.
I hate the SEC and as much as I love college football, I hate the NCAA for what they show the SEC to get away with.
I would like to see how the SEC fares if they stop over signing and quit the grayshirts. That helps get those superior athletes that don't have the grades to be qualifiers right out of high school.
Do some research on what type of situation Saban walked into at MSU....Not a positive situation at all...For him to get them to 9 wins in his last year was a pretty good accomplishment
Do any of you know the garbage Saban pulled at Michigan State or with the Miami Dolphins? Look it up. He's a slime ball and a snake and he will never have my respect regardless of what he does. The fact that he's winning out of a conference full of cheaters doing it all the wrong way only makes me hate him worse. Screw Saban, screw Alabama, and screw the SEC!
Doesn't hurt that Bama is ranked at or near the top in recruiting every year. The Bama name has tremendous cache that Iowa will never have. In addition, Bama's admissions standards is lower than Iowa and other Big Ten schools. Didn't watch the game, seldom watch any SEC football, but saw the on-side kick call. Took balls to do that, so hats off to Saban.
Still pissed that Piersbacher left the state to go there and also that Ingram was leaning towards Iowa when Bama came in late. Hope they don't pull Epanesa away from us, I saw that they now have offered.
Not a Saban fan but I honestly think he deserves credit as the best college football coach ... Ever ... Winning 5 national titles is incredible ... We can make excuses that he does it with all 4 and 5-star players, etc., but the bottomline is he wins. Just because we may not like him, credit is due ... The man flat out gets it done...
No. Period. He's played by different rules than the rest of the nation and in a conference that the NCAA caters too. Screw him. He is not even close to the best college football ever. He's not the best coach in college football right now.
I agree with this. I'm not a fan of Saban at all. But you can't argue with his success. Yeah he gets the best recruits. But you can't fault someone for having great recruits. It takes a great coach to manage great athletes.
Apples to bananas, but I was never a Phil Jackson fan, though the same thing applies. It takes a strong personality to coach Jordan/Pippin or Shaq/Kobe.
He is a better recruiter than a coach imo. I didn't want them to win because I loathe Saban and Pierchanbackstabber.
Again, not a Saban fan.
But if I'm a 4-star recruit I'm going to play for the guy with five rings before I play for the runner-up. He might be a better recruiter than coach (it's a splitting hairs argument), But he's a great recruiter because he's won so many titles.
But if I'm a 4-star recruit I'm going to play for the guy with five rings before I play for the runner-up. He might be a better recruiter than coach (it's a splitting hairs argument), But he's a great recruiter because he's won so many titles.
We had one really highly ranked recruiting class and, as seniors (despite some attrition), their class led the team that won the Orange Bowl.
Care to explain? How does Saban play by "different rules" than the rest of the nation? Also, you say the NCAA caters to the SEC. Okay ... but what does that have to do with Saban winning a total of 5 national titles? Who is the best coach in college football "right now?"
It's just hard to argue that a coach with 5 national titles under his belt is not the best coach in college football. Many coaches have had rosters loaded with talent .... but they don't have a national title on their resume - let alone 5 ...
I just don't see how someone with 5 national titles can't be considered the best at what he does ...
Before Saban went to Bama, they were:
2003 4-9
2004 6-6
2005 0-2 (10-2 including vacated wins)
2006 0-7 (6-6 including vacated wins)
Before 2003 they were 8-3, 10-3, 4-7, 7-5, 10-3, 3-8, 7-5, 10-3. Look familiar?
Saban came. Had 1 losing season and then was 12-2 and then won a NC the following season. To be able to get those 4 and 5 star recruits to buy in so quickly is a testament to his skills. And simply selling the football tradition is not enough (look at Nebraska).
2003 4-9
2004 6-6
2005 0-2 (10-2 including vacated wins)
2006 0-7 (6-6 including vacated wins)
Before 2003 they were 8-3, 10-3, 4-7, 7-5, 10-3, 3-8, 7-5, 10-3. Look familiar?
Saban came. Had 1 losing season and then was 12-2 and then won a NC the following season. To be able to get those 4 and 5 star recruits to buy in so quickly is a testament to his skills. And simply selling the football tradition is not enough (look at Nebraska).
Amazing recruiter--good coach.
Overall he's one of the great all-time college coaches because you have to factor in recruiting.
He bombed in the NFL so on "just" coaching the game....he's good, not great, IMO.
