Quite a bit at Iowa and Wisconsin actually...By the by were you in the thread where the coaches were fading hit because they didn't offer 2-star David Johnson?
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Quite a bit at Iowa and Wisconsin actually...By the by were you in the thread where the coaches were fading hit because they didn't offer 2-star David Johnson?
Well your partly correct. Actually coach Doyle has commented numerous times that the bench press is not a worthwhile measurement of strength in regards to how it correlates to actual play in football. And he's actually used that very anecdote that he has no interest in how strong his players are lying on their back with an opponent on them. One of the reasons that Iowa players, even strongmen like Brandon Scherff don't show exceptionally well in the bench press at the combine. This lift is not a point of emphasis for coach Doyle. He prefers working on lifts that improve the players core strength while there on their feet. The NFL should come up with better measurments of functional strength actually.
Wayyyyyyy off topic, but I want to hear your answer. Ex Pentagon officials and ex military jet pilots have come out recently talking about UFOs. They have confirmed observing "aircraft" maneuvering far beyond the capabilities of what the U.S. or any country in the world possess. Hawking says well of course. You say what?
I like your style....I am a man of Faith and I have always thought it somewhat preposterous that we are in the universe alone, nor does in contradict my Faith.
Not that you asked me.....
If I'm not mistaken, I believe he's also said it's not how much weight you can move but how fast you can move it. Which fits right along with what you said.
The best recruiting class Ferentz ever had was his worst 4 year yecord. The Hawks need guys that will WORK. Benson will do that. My daughter is a senior at Washington with him and also a football cheerleader (not a chance of a pic) I’ve been to all the games. Benson will work, is tough and knows how to play. May never be a star but I wouldn’t bet against it.
Team Recruiting Rank
11
Total Commitments
23
2005 Iowa
Football Commitment List
Football
Basketball
Vernon Jackson
DT Orlando, FL 6'1" 260 5 1/24/05
Chris Rowell
DB Warrensville Heights, OH 6'0" 170 5.5 1/19/05
Ryan Bain
DT Bolingbrook, IL 6'2" 250 5.8 1/16/05
Anthony Moeaki
TE Wheaton, IL 6'4" 250 6 1/16/05
Dace Richardson
OL Wheaton, IL 6'6" 300 6 1/16/05
Dan Doering
OL Barrington, IL 6'6" 300 6.1 1/16/05
Justin Edwards
DB Garland, TX 6'2" 180 5.3 1/3/05
Kalvin Bailey
RB Seffner, FL 5'11" 245 5.9 12/28/04
Dana Brown
RB Clairton, PA 5'11" 200 5.3 12/20/04
Corey Robertson
RB Denison, TX 6'1" 205 5.7 12/18/04
Justin Collins
DT Fort Worth, TX 6'2" 250 4.9 12/14/04
Rafael Eubanks
OL Roseville, MN 6'3" 290 5.9 12/13/04
Marshal Yanda
OL Mason City, IA 6'4" 310 0 11/18/04
Andy Kuempel
OL Marion, IA 6'6" 250 5.6 10/28/04
Shonn Greene
RB New Berlin, NY 5'11" 210 0 9/23/04
Pat Angerer
LB Bettendorf, IA 6'0" 200 5.5 8/7/04
Tyler Blum
DE Walnut, IA 6'6" 250 5.6 8/5/04
B.J. Travers
LB Westlake, OH 6'0" 228 5.7 7/21/04
Kyle Calloway
OL Belleville, IL 6'7" 267 5.5 6/16/04
Jake Christensen
QB Lockport, IL 6'0" 200 5.9 6/16/04
Trey Stross
WR Avon Lake, OH 6'3" 195 5.7 6/14/04
Marcus Wilson
WR Cherry Hill, NJ 6'2" 190 5.7 6/14/04
Alex Kanellis
DT Iowa City, IA 6'3" 239 5.8 4/23/03
11
Total Commitments
23
2005 Iowa
Football Commitment List
Football
Basketball
Vernon Jackson
DT Orlando, FL 6'1" 260 5 1/24/05
Chris Rowell
DB Warrensville Heights, OH 6'0" 170 5.5 1/19/05
Ryan Bain
DT Bolingbrook, IL 6'2" 250 5.8 1/16/05
Anthony Moeaki
TE Wheaton, IL 6'4" 250 6 1/16/05
Dace Richardson
OL Wheaton, IL 6'6" 300 6 1/16/05
Dan Doering
OL Barrington, IL 6'6" 300 6.1 1/16/05
Justin Edwards
DB Garland, TX 6'2" 180 5.3 1/3/05
Kalvin Bailey
RB Seffner, FL 5'11" 245 5.9 12/28/04
Dana Brown
RB Clairton, PA 5'11" 200 5.3 12/20/04
Corey Robertson
RB Denison, TX 6'1" 205 5.7 12/18/04
Justin Collins
DT Fort Worth, TX 6'2" 250 4.9 12/14/04
Rafael Eubanks
OL Roseville, MN 6'3" 290 5.9 12/13/04
Marshal Yanda
OL Mason City, IA 6'4" 310 0 11/18/04
Andy Kuempel
OL Marion, IA 6'6" 250 5.6 10/28/04
Shonn Greene
RB New Berlin, NY 5'11" 210 0 9/23/04
Pat Angerer
LB Bettendorf, IA 6'0" 200 5.5 8/7/04
Tyler Blum
DE Walnut, IA 6'6" 250 5.6 8/5/04
B.J. Travers
LB Westlake, OH 6'0" 228 5.7 7/21/04
Kyle Calloway
OL Belleville, IL 6'7" 267 5.5 6/16/04
Jake Christensen
QB Lockport, IL 6'0" 200 5.9 6/16/04
Trey Stross
WR Avon Lake, OH 6'3" 195 5.7 6/14/04
Marcus Wilson
WR Cherry Hill, NJ 6'2" 190 5.7 6/14/04
Alex Kanellis
DT Iowa City, IA 6'3" 239 5.8 4/23/03
There certainly must be some exaggeration here ... or at the very least, some "asterisks" to annotate context.
Suppose you don't include any window involving Ferentz's first 2 years. Perhaps you also then exclude post-season performance. If you include those extra conditions ... then the '05-'08 window is essentially Iowa's 2nd worst 4-year record window under Ferentz (a 27-20 combined record). The '10-'13 and '11-'14 windows tie (each with a 26-22 combined record).
Obviously, the big difference is that Iowa's 2005 recruiting class was, by "little ole Iowa" standards rather otherworldly ... and yet it didn't produce the results that fans might naively have presumed.
But why not count 2009? A lot of these names played on the 2009 team, when the would have been RS Seniors, right?
I was simply supplying a possible explanation to hawkdogwoof's remark. I'm frankly not invested (intellectually or otherwise) with any truth or lack thereof in the remark.
You raise a fine point concerning the '09 season ... certainly the impact of guys like Angerer, Moeaki, and Richardson (at least through the first half of the season) were indelible. Eubanks was a decent center ... but Bruggeman, the year prior, was far superior. Stross was a bit of a head case ... and likely part of the reason why Johnson got reassigned on the staff the year prior. By the time '09 came around a lot of the driving elements were from classes AFTER the '05 class (with the strong exception of Angerer ... he arguably WAS the lynchpin leader for the '09 season).
2006 Iowa
Football Commitment List
Total Commitments
21
Team Recruiting Rank
39
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Derrell Johnson
ATH Youngstown, OH 6'2" 185 5.5 6/2/06
Brett Morse
TE Hinsdale, IL 6'4" 225 5.2 1/30/06
Jeremiha Hunter
LB Harrisburg, PA 6'2" 220 5.9 1/29/06
Lance Tillison
DB Seffner, FL 6'1" 180 5.2 1/25/06
Anthony Bowman
RB Orchard Lake, MI 5'10" 157 5.6 1/23/06
Arvell Nelson
QB Cleveland, OH 6'4" 171 5.5 1/19/06
Amari Spievey
DB Middletown, CT 6'0" 175 5.3 1/11/06
Rick Stanzi
QB Mentor, OH 6'4" 193 5.7 1/7/06
Troy Johnson
LB Lakeland, FL 6'2" 198 5.2 12/21/05
Derrick Smith
LB Cleveland, OH 6'0" 178 5.2 12/19/05
Bryon Gattas
LB Palatine, IL 6'1" 230 0 12/15/05
Adrian Clayborn
DE Webster Groves, MO 6'3" 247 5.9 12/14/05
Dominique Douglas
WR Detroit, MI 6'0" 174 5.6 12/5/05
Paul Chaney
DB St. Louis, MO 5'8" 157 5.2 11/21/05
Karl Klug
LB Caledonia, MN 6'4" 220 5 11/1/05
A.J. Edds
TE Greenwood, IN 6'4" 220 5.7 10/11/05
James Cleveland
WR Baytown, TX 6'2" 180 5.7 10/6/05
Ryan Donahue
K Chicago, IL 6'3" 180 5.4 8/6/05
Julian Vandervelde
OL Davenport, IA 6'3" 295 5.5 7/23/05
Jeff Tarpinian
DB Omaha, NE 6'2" 195 5.5 6/28/05
Julian Smith
LB New Berlin, NY 6'4" 220 0 2/1/05
Crystal ball prediction says 100 percent iowa for 4 star ev jirel Brock of 2019 class and anyone know our chances of landing Dugan I thought Petras was the qb of the future but if we land Dugan he could be the dual threat qb iowa has needed for a long time.
Between mansell and petras QB should be solid for awhile. I wouldn't hold my breath on Duggan. This is 100% my opinion but it doesnt seem like Iowa is the place he wants to end up. I yhink we are sitting really well with brock. Again 100% opinion but in what little info is out there I think he saw himself as the next Wadley.
I doubt Duggan would want to sit behind Petras, so I think he goes to Nebraska. Petras is the real deal and I think we’re set at QB for the next 5 years.
I really like Petras. Hopefully we add another good receiver in this class than I think we'll be set.
David bell, 1993. I don't think we have much more of a splash to make In WR crootin this year, unless a stud gets told he cannot commit yet tmrw. Next year however we are going to have a legit shot at David bell and he could be the next step in us getting a higher level receiver into the program. Imo smith-marsette got us "in the door" with Lockett and if we can show improvement in the passing game we have a legit shot at David bell next year.
https://247sports.com/Article/Do-recruiting-rankings-matter-The-2017-NFL-Draft-says-yes-52571897
There are countless other articles saying the same thing, along with the associated stats. Basic synopsis - 4-5* guys accounted for almost 40% of the guys players drafted that year. This is despite accounting for only (very conservatively) less than 10% of the rated players.
Another poster on here went through Iowa's average star ranking for guys earning all conference and/or drafted (can't remember now). What his numbers showed, was that even at an outlier school like Iowa, which seems to produce countless low rated studs, you're still more likely to be successful with a higher Rivals rating.
If you have other data that goes against all of the articles that are found by googling the subject I'd like to take a look. My opinion, is that the star system is really a crap shoot, but right enough that you're going to do much better with a team full of 4-5* guys than you will a team full of 2-3* guys all else being equal. I could only imagine how good a KF team could be with the talent Texas brings in.
Yeah I think Lockett is a great addition. If we get bell that'd be great him and petras would be a dangerous duo in the future. I'm still not sure how we ever got Epenensa he had offers from Alabama, Notre Dame etc.. I wasn't really in the loop for Iowa Football last year any idea why he chose Iowa. Just liked us or what? Most 5 stars don't come to Iowa
This is very true. I had a close friend intern under Doyle one summer a few years ago. Bench was stressed very little if at all. Mostly core and squats like you talked about If any bench was preformed, it was usually incline bench.
There are so many problems with the example you supplied I almost don't know where to begin. To start ... for a critical analyses of the methods used by recruiting services ... you cite an article that is produced by one of the said services. Furthermore, draft data is not independent of recruiting data ... that is a trivial observation. Thus, it doesn't supply independent evidence of anything! Lastly, going from my original point ... a source ought to have credibility.
An interesting sidenote on AJ's dad; he was at Iowa Weslyan when I first started visiting Mount Pleasant and met what became my wife. Eppy was there at the time and transferred to Iowa, I think the next year. It was suggested he could bench 500 pounds leg squat 800+ and run a 4.6 forty.
Now I suspect some hyperbole because I never remember hearing him setting any records at Iowa but he was a stud all the same.
Now I suspect some hyperbole because I never remember hearing him setting any records at Iowa but he was a stud all the same.
Another note per the bench press comment. If you have followed the combine closely over the last 15 years Iowas guys rarely perform very good or rather above average in the bench press. With Marshall Yanda I believe being the outlier there. If memory serves I'm not sure Chad Greenway even got it up 18 times. The bench press that is… LOL
Conversely they always perform excellent in the agility's, 40s, broad jump & vertical.
For years they have been, a more agile, fast team than they ever get credit for.
Conversely they always perform excellent in the agility's, 40s, broad jump & vertical.
For years they have been, a more agile, fast team than they ever get credit for.
Greenway also has long arms ... that's a lot more work for somebody to do (energetically). It's much easier for guys with stubby arms to bench-press a ton of weight than guys who have long arms. It's both a matter of torque and a matter of work. You cannot get around the underlying physics of the mechanics.
That's what basketball players rarely have good bench press numbers. Excellent addition.
I like your style....I am a man of Faith and I have always thought it somewhat preposterous that we are in the universe alone, nor does in contradict my Faith.
Not that you asked me.....
If aliens come to this planet and you're the first person they meet, they will instantly destroy humanity.
Possibly, but if they meet you first theyll probably just leave us alone because theyll assume were too stupid to present any real danger, except too ourselves....
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True, but that is hardly a trend. Yes, we need guys that fit our culture, but we also want to get as many 4/5 star athletes as we can in the process. But we will always need to find some of the sleepers.
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