Heard a mean, yet funny thing talking Hawkeye hoops the other day.

[hansenhawk]

Was talking with a buddy about the team, told him how big of a Bohannon fan I have become and how Brady is doing what we need him to do and has looked great.

Guy responded with telling me Bohannon and Brady are basically the exact same players as Gesell and Oglesby were really.

In my wonderment, I asked my friend how he could possibly have come to that conclusion?

He said they all were basically the same players, the only difference is now the current versions actually make shots and don't leave the fans being disappointed and pissed off at them after every game.

It was mean, but I did chuckle I admit. Thinking back on it now, i hate to admit some truth to it probably.

Looking back, I just feel bad for Oglesby now. It has got to be hard to be considered the 3 point specialist. Don't make what people deem a high enuf %, and u suck, and it doesn't matter if you do other things well. If you aren't consistent, at least hit the big ones then. Oglesby got the zips and struggled with excelling at either his entire career. Dude even went to a counselor, didn't matter. God just doesn't like some guys on the court I guess, no matter how hard they try.

Gesell did so many things well, and I thought the dude might go down as one of favorite Hawkeyes ever. He just seemed to have a knack for letting you down once u started getting high on him again. Of course his clutch time performances didn't help any. Weird, look at the stats and things of that nature and he actually is one of the great Hawkeyes perhaps, yet most will still end up viewing his as a disappointment, which is a shame.

Good news, Bohannon might end up my favorite Hawkeye since Steve Carfino, and can't see him going backwards. I would actually have compared him to more of a Kingsbury, only with better ball skills and less of an alcoholic.

Next time i talk to my buddy, I think I will ask him to compare Woody and Cook. That should be interesting anyways.

 

[Suterman]

Was talking with a buddy about the team, told him how big of a Bohannon fan I have become and how Brady is doing what we need him to do and has looked great.

Guy responded with telling me Bohannon and Brady are basically the exact same players as Gesell and Oglesby were really.

In my wonderment, I asked my friend how he could possibly have come to that conclusion?

He said they all were basically the same players, the only difference is now the current versions actually make shots and don't leave the fans being disappointed and pissed off at them after every game.

It was mean, but I did chuckle I admit. Thinking back on it now, i hate to admit some truth to it probably.

Looking back, I just feel bad for Oglesby now. It has got to be hard to be considered the 3 point specialist. Don't make what people deem a high enuf %, and u suck, and it doesn't matter if you do other things well. If you aren't consistent, at least hit the big ones then. Oglesby got the zips and struggled with excelling at either his entire career. Dude even went to a counselor, didn't matter. God just doesn't like some guys on the court I guess, no matter how hard they try.

Gesell did so many things well, and I thought the dude might go down as one of favorite Hawkeyes ever. He just seemed to have a knack for letting you down once u started getting high on him again. Of course his clutch time performances didn't help any. Weird, look at the stats and things of that nature and he actually is one of the great Hawkeyes perhaps, yet most will still end up viewing his as a disappointment, which is a shame.

Good news, Bohannon might end up my favorite Hawkeye since Steve Carfino, and can't see him going backwards. I would actually have compared him to more of a Kingsbury, only with better ball skills and less of an alcoholic.

Next time i talk to my buddy, I think I will ask him to compare Woody and Cook. That should be interesting anyways.

Woody and Cook are polar opposites right now. Everything that Woody did well, Tyler kind of struggles with (Defense, hedging, calling out defenses, downcourt passing, rebounding). Tyler plays above the rim and is generally a far superior player on the offensive end than Woody.

 

[bravehawks1]

Was talking with a buddy about the team, told him how big of a Bohannon fan I have become and how Brady is doing what we need him to do and has looked great.

Guy responded with telling me Bohannon and Brady are basically the exact same players as Gesell and Oglesby were really.

In my wonderment, I asked my friend how he could possibly have come to that conclusion?

He said they all were basically the same players, the only difference is now the current versions actually make shots and don't leave the fans being disappointed and pissed off at them after every game.

It was mean, but I did chuckle I admit. Thinking back on it now, i hate to admit some truth to it probably.

Looking back, I just feel bad for Oglesby now. It has got to be hard to be considered the 3 point specialist. Don't make what people deem a high enuf %, and u suck, and it doesn't matter if you do other things well. If you aren't consistent, at least hit the big ones then. Oglesby got the zips and struggled with excelling at either his entire career. Dude even went to a counselor, didn't matter. God just doesn't like some guys on the court I guess, no matter how hard they try.

Gesell did so many things well, and I thought the dude might go down as one of favorite Hawkeyes ever. He just seemed to have a knack for letting you down once u started getting high on him again. Of course his clutch time performances didn't help any. Weird, look at the stats and things of that nature and he actually is one of the great Hawkeyes perhaps, yet most will still end up viewing his as a disappointment, which is a shame.

Good news, Bohannon might end up my favorite Hawkeye since Steve Carfino, and can't see him going backwards. I would actually have compared him to more of a Kingsbury, only with better ball skills and less of an alcoholic.

Next time i talk to my buddy, I think I will ask him to compare Woody and Cook. That should be interesting anyways.

Until about 6 games ago, the Oglesby/Ellingson comparisons were spot on. Fortunately, Brady has decided to shoot the ball, but until that time, they were nearly mirror images. Supposed roles as shooters, good FT shooter, similar height and weight, average defense and rebounders, lack of ability to drive to basket or take anyone off the dribble. In fact, I have referred to Brady as Josh Jr for the last two years. To be honest, the only thing that has changed is that Brady has been able to improve his release and thus can get the shot off quicker and doesn't have to be wide open so has taken a few more shots. Having this offense from Brady instead of black hole that Josh was on the offense has changed the perception of Brady. If Jok is healthy enough to play 30+ minutes for the rest of the season, Brady will return to Josh Jr status

 

[LarryMullenJr.]

So the guys point was that Gesell and Oglesby were almost great players except for the fact that they weren't great players?

Could be just me but sounds like making a comment like Michael Jordan wouldn't have been so great if he wasn't so great.

 

[MepoDawg#]

Bohannon and Gesell are not similar. Bohannon's offense is much better, but his defense is worse. Only similarities are they both play(ed) point guard and close to same height.

 

[HeRKeYHoPeFuL]

I can see Oglesby/Ellingson and just changing shooting percentages, but I think Mike isn't the same player as Bohannon. Mike was a better athlete/defender. Bohannon isn't as athletic, but has a greater variety of passes to get the ball where it needs to be. Also, Mike was never a shooter other than the top of the key pull up jumper.

Remember when we complained that teams could sag off our guards to clog the middle?

 

[DanHawkPella]

Biggest difference is that Bohannon can space the floor and Gesell - while more athletic - could not.

Ellingson can do things inside the arc (penetrate, mid range, pass) that Oglesby could not.

Both are upgrades in the larger scheme of things now that Brady is playing great ball, but Gesell and Oglesby were good defenders and played hard so I have zero complaints with them. Just excited about who we have.

 

[LarryMullenJr.]

I can see Oglesby/Ellingson and just changing shooting percentages, but I think Mike isn't the same player as Bohannon. Mike was a better athlete/defender. Bohannon isn't as athletic, but has a greater variety of passes to get the ball where it needs to be. Also, Mike was never a shooter other than the top of the key pull up jumper.

Remember when we complained that teams could sag off our guards to clog the middle?

Defender, maybe. Athlete, no.

 

[bravehawks1]

Biggest difference is that Bohannon can space the floor and Gesell - while more athletic - could not.

Ellingson can do things inside the arc (penetrate, mid range, pass) that Oglesby could not.

Both are upgrades in the larger scheme of things now that Brady is playing great ball, but Gesell and Oglesby were good defenders and played hard so I have zero complaints with them. Just excited about who we have.

Oglesby a good defender, you must be his uncle. Those two words should not be in the same sentence without the use of the word "not" in front of defender. Good defender would have been Clemmons.

 

[itsyaboimil]

Bohannon and Gesell are not similar. Bohannon's offense is much better, but his defense is worse. Only similarities are they both play(ed) point guard and close to same height.

And they're white.

 

[HeRKeYHoPeFuL]

Really on the athlete? I haven't followed the youngest Bohannon until this year, but I know that Mike was actually a well above average athlete in terms of quickness and vertical jump. I haven't seen Jordan come anywhere close to dunking yet, and his game seems pretty focused on staying on the perimeter with few exceptions.

Not saying Jordan isn't a great athlete (I'm sure all D1 players are, so this obviously should be relative to competition), but what evidence have you seen that Jordan is an above average athlete?

 

[hansenhawk]

Not to be taken seriously, as my buddy was obviously stretching things a bit.

As for Woody, i feel bad for him as well. Was such a fluid player for his size, and did so many things not credited for that were needed for the team. Yet, because he didn't develop more on the offensive end, will also go down as a major disappointment in the end. Didn't help the guy seemed to miss all his layups either i guess.

As for Cook, he should be a complete beast that is a major force in the B1G and the best talent we have seen in a long long time.

If he doesn't pan out like we think she should, I know i will really start to question Fran's ability to develop bigger post players.

Olaseni probably the only player to prove the opposite, and i think more of him was just becoming more familiar with the game and was smart enuf to use his body to his advantage and the best of his ability. Maybe this was Fran who created this? Maybe he was just natural and eventually just clicked for him? Who knows.

I know I am expecting huge things from Cook, and am watching him and his development with a close eye. I want to see this kid blow up and excel, and not just become another ho hum big man who just sort of stays the same under Fran in his years here. If we can't develop a 4 star talent like this kid, we probably need to start worrying about those in charge of doing so.

 

[icwesthawk]

Woody would have been a much better offensive player if anyone, Mike specifically, could have fed the post properly. Bohannon is far superior at this and we are getting a lot of inside points from Cook because of it.

 

[Hawk_4shur]

The Brady/Josh thing was fair last season, but I think that's about over. I think beginning next year a comparison can/will be made to Matt Gatens. I think Brady can be a complete player.

 

[srams21]

Woody would have been a much better offensive player if anyone, Mike specifically, could have fed the post properly. Bohannon is far superior at this and we are getting a lot of inside points from Cook because of it.

This is a great point and it's one of the things I really like about Jordan. Excellent at feeding the post.

 

[LarryMullenJr.]

Really on the athlete? I haven't followed the youngest Bohannon until this year, but I know that Mike was actually a well above average athlete in terms of quickness and vertical jump. I haven't seen Jordan come anywhere close to dunking yet, and his game seems pretty focused on staying on the perimeter with few exceptions.

Not saying Jordan isn't a great athlete (I'm sure all D1 players are, so this obviously should be relative to competition), but what evidence have you seen that Jordan is an above average athlete?

if you're talking to me (and not doing a DiNiro impression there); Jordan can dunk and pretty easily. Not saying he's Spud Webb, but can get it done. From what I saw, and more via those who saw him more, he was a pretty good baseball player (been awhile), and solid football player (longer yet). Also a pretty good--streaky but good--golfer.
No reports on his board game skills.
Not saying he's Bo Jackson, but one of those guys we all know/knew who's above average at a number of sports....and you wanted to punch because of it.

 

[Chewback]

Woody would have been a much better offensive player if anyone, Mike specifically, could have fed the post properly. Bohannon is far superior at this and we are getting a lot of inside points from Cook because of it.

Yeah. Woody did some nice things when he got fed but it rarely happened. He coulda been a contender.

 

[GoHawks2009]

Bohannon and Gesell are not similar. Bohannon's offense is much better, but his defense is worse. Only similarities are they both play(ed) point guard and close to same height.

As a freshman though?

Gesell's defense wasn't that spectacular.

This is part of our problem. Our guards' defensive ability has been very inconsistent over the last few years.

Our young defense gave up a ton of right handed drives against the Gophers on Wednesday and then look what happened when we actually tried to take away their strong hand......no more easy layups.

This was an issue with previous teams during Gesell's career as well.

Could be a Fran thing............................

 

[HeRKeYHoPeFuL]

Thanks, I didn't know he had played multiple sports. Hopefully as he develops he can learn when to leverage his athleticism to attack the rim.

 

[War Hawkeye]

I think that they are all white guys from Iowa (Mike was close enough), other than that they are very different players. In my opinion Jordan's game doesn't resemble mike in anyway. If he resembles anyone it's Horner.

I can get the Brady JO one. I honestly believe it's because they look a lot alike, both were touted as shooters, and because Brady got off to a slow start with the injury.

We were told Josh was a great shooter for 4 years. Brady is a great shooter.

Career 3pt%:
JO: 34
BE: 44

I gues there is this. Sophomore year Olgelsby made 42 3's, and Brady only has 28 so far...

Sophomore year 3pt attempted:

JO: 156
BE: 50

Brady could finish the year 15 - 106 and have a better shooting year than Olgelsby had his sophomore year.

 

[ping72]

Was talking with a buddy about the team, told him how big of a Bohannon fan I have become and how Brady is doing what we need him to do and has looked great.

Guy responded with telling me Bohannon and Brady are basically the exact same players as Gesell and Oglesby were really.

In my wonderment, I asked my friend how he could possibly have come to that conclusion?

He said they all were basically the same players, the only difference is now the current versions actually make shots and don't leave the fans being disappointed and pissed off at them after every game.

It was mean, but I did chuckle I admit. Thinking back on it now, i hate to admit some truth to it probably.

Looking back, I just feel bad for Oglesby now. It has got to be hard to be considered the 3 point specialist. Don't make what people deem a high enuf %, and u suck, and it doesn't matter if you do other things well. If you aren't consistent, at least hit the big ones then. Oglesby got the zips and struggled with excelling at either his entire career. Dude even went to a counselor, didn't matter. God just doesn't like some guys on the court I guess, no matter how hard they try.

Gesell did so many things well, and I thought the dude might go down as one of favorite Hawkeyes ever. He just seemed to have a knack for letting you down once u started getting high on him again. Of course his clutch time performances didn't help any. Weird, look at the stats and things of that nature and he actually is one of the great Hawkeyes perhaps, yet most will still end up viewing his as a disappointment, which is a shame.

Good news, Bohannon might end up my favorite Hawkeye since Steve Carfino, and can't see him going backwards. I would actually have compared him to more of a Kingsbury, only with better ball skills and less of an alcoholic.

Next time i talk to my buddy, I think I will ask him to compare Woody and Cook. That should be interesting anyways.

Woody and Cook are polar opposites right now. Everything that Woody did well, Tyler kind of struggles with (Defense, hedging, calling out defenses, downcourt passing, rebounding). Tyler plays above the rim and is generally a far superior player on the offensive end than Woody.

I bet Cook could eyepoke pretty well if needed.

 

[Fan In Black]

I think that they are all white guys from Iowa (Mike was close enough), other than that they are very different players. In my opinion Jordan's game doesn't resemble mike in anyway. If he resembles anyone it's Horner.

I can get the Brady JO one. I honestly believe it's because they look a lot alike, both were touted as shooters, and because Brady got off to a slow start with the injury.

We were told Josh was a great shooter for 4 years. Brady is a great shooter.

Career 3pt%:
JO: 34
BE: 44

I gues there is this. Sophomore year Olgelsby made 42 3's, and Brady only has 28 so far...

Sophomore year 3pt attempted:

JO: 156
BE: 50

Brady could finish the year 15 - 106 and have a better shooting year than Olgelsby had his sophomore year.

/ of thread

 

[papabeef]

Defender, maybe. Athlete, no.

gesell was a much better athlete.

 

[bdg8]

Oglesby a good defender, you must be his uncle. Those two words should not be in the same sentence without the use of the word "not" in front of defender. Good defender would have been Clemmons.

disagree. Oglesby was not a bad defender