I watched his testimony... but again he never denied telling them he would call them if we were going to attack... pretty big gap between deescalating and informing them of an imminent attack.
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Would it be ok to lie to the Chinese to de-escalate a situation?
It absolutely is a both sides issue. The shit Dems pulled the last...8 years is deserving of complete and utter retaliation. Alas, it's unproductive and petty to do it. Accomplished nothing.
You realize everything the left tried to bring against Trump is almost certainly going to go away eventually right? There's a very slim chance he'll keep the "convicted felon" tag once the appeals process is complete.
The left doesn't get to pretend the GOP is the vindictive party here. Sorry.
Milley was pardoned for crimes (likely treason). He needs to go.
This thread is fantastic!
Right: Miley did some stuff...some bad stuff.
Left: No he didn't.
Right: Yes he did and he should be executed.
Left: That's just nonesense
(middle): um what did he do?
Right: Y'all are treasonous assholes!
Left: No we're not. You guys are!
Right: Miley did some stuff...some bad stuff.
Left: No he didn't.
Right: Yes he did and he should be executed.
Left: That's just nonesense
(middle): um what did he do?
Right: Y'all are treasonous assholes!
Left: No we're not. You guys are!
Think how worried Milley had to be about trump's behavior for him to make a move like that.
So we're going with the "I was just teasing" excuse??? good grief.
Hegseth will be gone in <2 years.
The only question will be how much stuff he fvcks up.
The only question will be how much stuff he fvcks up.
Teasing? The whole thing reads exactly like Miley trying to prevent China from taking preemptive action. That's the point.
Treason would be actually letting the Chinese know about an attack our leaders wished to keep secret. But that didn't happen.
what does my nevermind... I don't want to know why you're thinking about my wang. Creeper.
Trump has broken you.
No, I do not realize stuff the left "tried to bring" against Trump is going away. He friggin withheld Congressionally approved military aid to an ally in order to extort political favors from that country's President. Military aid to protect them from Putin -- who later friggin invaded them! This was absolutely an impeachable offense, and the party who sits on the wrong side of history is the GOP, who refused to hold him accountable.
As for the sexual assault conviction; that is not going away.
As for the 34 felony convictions; those are not going away.
As for the defamation conviction; that is not going away.
Trump is a petty, vindictive, vile POS. Own it.
Lawfare, guys!!! He’s talking about Biden’s lawfare!!
Dude, he was convicted in state court. SCOTUS has no authority to overturn that conviction.
You seem to have skipped the article linked that showed Miley was in bed with China.
"in bed with china"
or
"called china at the direction of the sec of def and in consultation with the trump state department"
I don't think "ill let you know what we are going to do before we do it so our billion dollar army doesn't spook you" was the plan.
What do I know though.
No, I don’t know what was said and how it was phrased.
But do you think it is ok to lie to the Chinese in order to de-escalate a tense situation? When you’ve been instructed to call your counterparts and talk them down?
I do.
No, I'm a military veteran who knows how to follow orders and smart enough not to go against the Commander in Chief if he hasn't issued an unlawful order. General Milley seems to have forgotten that part.
Exactly. We've already had this dadgum discusion too.Gave aid? He was clearly trying to manipulate them towards not taking any sort of pre emptive actions.
Milley admits he would tell Chinese general if US launched an attack
Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff Gen. Mark Milley admitted Wednesday that he would give his Chinese counterpart a heads up if the US launched an attack against Beijing.nypost.com
Here's what I said in that thread:
Okay, so ya according to the book, Milley had conversations with his Chinese counterpart, General Li Zuocheng, to reassure him that the U.S. had no intention of launching an attack and that he would give him a heads-up if anything changed. Milley reportedly viewed this communication as necessary to avoid potential misunderstandings that could lead to conflict. He did this to maintain strategic stability and to prevent escalation.
He also told Congress that his actions were meant to maintain peace and were known by relevant government officials (not some secret, treasonous act). He did not, however, specifically say that he would warn the Chinese of an impending U.S. attack (like you're probably implying), but rather that his intent was to de-escalate tensions.
Trump’s top general calls ex-president ‘fascist to the core’ and ‘most dangerous person to this country,’ new book says
https://nypost.com/2021/09/29/milley-admits-he-would-tell-china-if-us-launched-an-attack/
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That is ok only if under orders of the President. That is why we have backdoor channels to a lot of countries with nuclear weapons. So as to be able to communicate, under the orders of the President, directly to an opposition government in the case of an accidental weapons launch or threat.Gave aid? He was clearly trying to manipulate them towards not taking any sort of pre emptive actions.
Milley admits he would tell Chinese general if US launched an attack
Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff Gen. Mark Milley admitted Wednesday that he would give his Chinese counterpart a heads up if the US launched an attack against Beijing.
This is not there for an officer to take it upon himself to tell the leader of a foreign government that he intended to violate a President's order if given, due to one's dislike, or mistrust of a President.
If you are that worried about your CIC, resign. Don't promise the CCP, that you 'have their back".
This is simply treason at its worst and insubordination at the least.
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Which is 100% ok. If under the orders of the President or a commander. It was not. Period. He did this himself.Exactly. We've already had this dadgum discusion too.
Here's what I said in that thread:
Okay, so ya according to the book, Milley had conversations with his Chinese counterpart, General Li Zuocheng, to reassure him that the U.S. had no intention of launching an attack and that he would give him a heads-up if anything changed. Milley reportedly viewed this communication as necessary to avoid potential misunderstandings that could lead to conflict. He did this to maintain strategic stability and to prevent escalation.
He also told Congress that his actions were meant to maintain peace and were known by relevant government officials (not some secret, treasonous act). He did not, however, specifically say that he would warn the Chinese of an impending U.S. attack (like you're probably implying), but rather that his intent was to de-escalate tensions.
Trump’s top general calls ex-president ‘fascist to the core’ and ‘most dangerous person to this country,’ new book says
https://nypost.com/2021/09/29/milley-admits-he-would-tell-china-if-us-launched-an-attack/
No matter the excuse, if you violate the chain of command, unless you believe an order to be unlawful, you are subject to discipline.
This isn't hard if you look at it from a neutral perspective.
I hear what you're saying, but a conversation is one thing where as disobeying an order (which didn't happen) would have been entirely different. From a "neutral" perspective, one could say Miley had set the stage for potentially violating a direct order.
Additionally, it’s not like his actions are completely unprecedented. If you recall, in 1974 (my glorious birth year!) SECDEF Schlesinger took it upon himself to intercept nuclear launch orders out of concern over Nixon’s instability...clearly without the president’s direction. Admiral Crowe also engaged in Cold War backchannel talks with the Soviets that weren’t always explicitly authorized by Reagan. I'm sure there are others.
Also, what’s not being discussed is that these security details are being terminated as punishment out of spite. How does that serve national security? That has always been my top priority, far above politics. I was pissed by Hillary’s emails, Trump’s mishandling of classified information, and Biden’s as well. As a former Intelligence Analyst, protecting U.S. intelligence will always come before any political leanings.
the reporting that all this is based on says that he did this at the direction of secretary of defense esper (who, as far as i can tell, would have been above milley in the chain of command)
100% the proper handling of classified documents and information is paramount to national security. I don't care who or what party they are affiliated with.
So you would agree that these details should remain until it's determined the knowledge these individuals hold is no longer of value to foreign actors?
What the hell are you even talking about here? JFC you people.
Once you are in, it counts.
My 2 cents: The dragging his name through the mud, demotion without proof ect to me seems very shallow. ( you may notice I liked a post in this thread previously which said something similar)
That being said, without fanfare, without a show, that conversation needs to be investigated. Quite frankly watching Alaska, whom I respect to give a good opinion, say what he is saying regarding this not being an order and there being some ambiguity on him giving them notice leads me to believe it needs looked at. Without sounded dramatic, if he did really tell China some shit, I think we can all agree that's treason.
it was investigated
and the pentagon confirmed these phone calls were made at the direction of the sec of defense and coordinated with the china policy office and dept of state
these weren't "secret" phone calls
I never used the word secret and I'm not sure why you put it in quotes.
So to that guy above point, it came from someone who didn't have the authority to do it?
I appreciate that, and I 100% agree; if Milley truly gave China classified or sensitive intel, that’s treason and should be prosecuted. No argument there. My concern is whether we can trust the process to be fair and not just a political hit job. Given Trump’s open desire for revenge, it’s hard to believe Milley (or anyone in his crosshairs) would get a legitimate hearing. Heck, I think he'd deport me for not voting for him if he could get away with it.
That’s why I think an unbiased investigation is key. Not Twitter trials, not political theater...just a serious, fact-driven process to determine if there’s an actual fire behind the smoke. If the evidence is there, prosecute. But if this turns into just another partisan $hitshow, that’s a dangerous road.
So I don't have to google everything, would you mind dropping a link? I'd be interested in reading more on that.
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