Herkyfan how can this be?

[iahawkeyes17]

Niang was just announced a Wooden All American. Uthoff didn't make the list

Wow cool story. Honest question do you think it would be giant dousche move if a Iowa fan went to ISU boards and stated how Desmond King was first team all american and ISU's best player whomever that maybe didn't make the list? Because you're that guy here, congrats.

But don't worry now that bball is done you have football season to look forward too.....

 

[CounterPoint]

Texas Ten underperforms for the 6th year in a row...

The BIG XII underperformed by getting a team in the Final 4 and has the likely Player of the year. I'll take that.

That and a conference that "underperformed" had just as many all-americans as the almighty Big Ten. Doesn't say a lot for the Big Ten if that's the case.

 

[Iafootballfan]

What level? NBA? You're delusional if that's your thought.

Professional level in general. Niang won't be able to play defense, not that he could even at the college level.

 

[CyCity]

Wow cool story. Honest question do you think it would be giant dousche move if a Iowa fan went to ISU boards and stated how Desmond King was first team all american and ISU's best player whomever that maybe didn't make the list? Because you're that guy here, congrats.

But don't worry now that bball is done you have football season to look forward too.....

If Iowa State fans were talking about a certain player being better than Desmond King all season and King ended up with the honors then yes I'd expect Iowa fans to say something

 

[ROCKY MOUNTAIN HAWK]

The BIG XII underperformed by getting a team in the Final 4 and has the likely Player of the year. I'll take that.

That and a conference that "underperformed" had just as many all-americans as the almighty Big Ten. Doesn't say a lot for the Big Ten if that's the case.

The Big12 ALWAYS underperforms. This was their best year in probably a decade & that doesn't say much. That conference just can't perform when it matters. Big12 is kind of like a bad Viagra commercial.

 

[Lone Clone]

Wow cool story. Honest question do you think it would be giant dousche move if a Iowa fan went to ISU boards and stated how Desmond King was first team all american and ISU's best player whomever that maybe didn't make the list? Because you're that guy here, congrats.

But don't worry now that bball is done you have football season to look forward too.....

The answer to your question is that if there had been a thread about whether King or an ISU player was better, I don't think it would be a reprehensible thing to post.

 

[HerkyFan]

The BIG XII underperformed by getting a team in the Final 4 and has the likely Player of the year. I'll take that.

That and a conference that "underperformed" had just as many all-americans as the almighty Big Ten. Doesn't say a lot for the Big Ten if that's the case.

Yet the ACC and not the Texas Ten has proven to be the best conference. Despite what isu grads have been touting since the season began.

Must we ignore that for isu grad to feel ok?

 

[CounterPoint]

Yet the ACC and not the Texas Ten proven to be the best conference. Despite what isu grads have been touting since the season began.

Must we ignore that for isu grad to feel ok?

The ACC proved themselves to be the best conference over a two-week stretch, when it matters most.

 

[HerkyFan]

The ACC proved themselves to be the best conference over a two-week stretch, when it matters most.

Which is more than the Texas Ten has been able to do.

 

[Kurt Warner]

Im a hawk fan first and foremost but niang was a tremendous player for the clones all four years and his jersey will be hanging from the rafters soon in hilton. He had an array of offensive moves and was pretty much unstoppable most of the time. No he didn't play very good defense but he was an offensive whiz. Love ute and he will go down as one of the better hawks to ever wear black and gold. I don't know if he really faded, it was more a lot of his teammates faded and put all the pressure on he and jok. Both he and niang were no doubt terrific college players.

 

[CounterPoint]

Which is more than the Texas Ten has been able to do.

Yeah, Oklahoma hasn't done anything over those 2 weeks.
{sarcasm}

As I look at the bracket, the BIG XII had 2 teams in the Elite 8, compared to the Big Ten, which had it's season end after the Sweet 16, one of them by an "underachieving" BIG XII school.

 

[HerkyFan]

Yeah, Oklahoma hasn't done anything over those 2 weeks.
{sarcasm}

As I look at the bracket, the BIG XII had 2 teams in the Elite 8, compared to the Big Ten, which had it's season end after the Sweet 16, one of them by an "underachieving" BIG XII school.

As I look at things I see the Big 10 had 4 out of 7 teams meet or exceed their seed and the Texas Ten had 2 out of 7.

So either the Texas Ten was over rated or they underperformed. You tell us which it is.

 

[BABiscuit]

Herky, have you written the Wooden panel or the NABC coaches to let them know the Naismith people already decided JU was better than GN? ISU fans aren't grasping to the Naismith as the be definitive answer to all things basketball so I am not sure why they would be writing them.

 

[Isitfootballseason?]

My question is, "What sort of dirtbag comes to an Iowa Hawkeye site to try and diminish the season a Hawk player had when he 'ONLY' made Third Team All-American?"

1. You didn't read the part where I stated Uthoff is a great player.
2. You obviously haven't read Herky's posts over the months. He's been screaming Uthoff is better.

 

[HerkyFan]

Herky, have you written the Wooden panel or the NABC coaches to let them know the Naismith people already decided JU was better than GN? ISU fans aren't grasping to the Naismith as the be definitive answer to all things basketball so I am not sure why they would be writing them.

Go demand that the Naismith folks change their semifinalist list.

Let us know how well it goes for you.

 

[5Fan5]

1. You didn't read the part where I stated Uthoff is a great player.
2. You obviously haven't read Herky's posts over the months. He's been screaming Uthoff is better.

You obviously did not read the post you are responding toward. Only an obsessed fool would have the insatiable need to come to HR to start yet another thread about basketball players after those players had finished their respective collegiate careers. No? Then go ahead and show me/us where it is that you have posted (as 'isit') anything of this nature anywhere else.

The one who mentioned how silly you appear each and every time you make your way here under the 'isitFOOTBALLseason' is spot on.

Keep up the not so valiant effort and others will continue to laugh at you. It is some of the cheapest and most reliable entertainment around.

 

[HerkyFan]

1. You didn't read the part where I stated Uthoff is a great player.
2. You obviously haven't read Herky's posts over the months. He's been screaming Uthoff is better.

Actually what I have said is that I don't need to say Uthoff is better the Naismith Committee did it for me.

Leave it to isu grads to be unable to read. In fact I even went so far as to say why it might be that they would make such a decision. Yet once again isu grad failed to read that as well. Or maybe they just want to ignore and live in their fantasy land.

But by all means isu grads do tell us how it really is. Or better yet tell us what the entire planet must ignore in order for isu grads to feel ok about themselves and their ball grabber team captain.

Entertaining as always. More please.

 

[ROCKY MOUNTAIN HAWK]

As I look at things I see the Big 10 had 4 out of 7 teams meet or exceed their seed and the Texas Ten had 2 out of 7.

So either the Texas Ten was over rated or they underperformed. You tell us which it is.

Sorry ISU fans. He got you here!

 

[mrcyfan]

Sorry ISU fans. He got you here!

Not really. Didn't KU, OU, and ISU pretty much play up to their seed? Unless you're saying that Kansas didn't play up to their seed since they were a one seed. That would be a stretch because making the elite 8 is pretty lofty stuff, no matter what the seed.

The way I see it is that three Big 12 teams performed well in the tournament which is 30% of the whole conference. Not as well as the ACC, but I'm OK with that.

 

[ROCKY MOUNTAIN HAWK]

Not really. Didn't KU, OU, and ISU pretty much play up to their seed? Unless you're saying that Kansas didn't play up to their seed since they were a one seed. That would be a stretch because making the elite 8 is pretty lofty stuff, no matter what the seed.

The way I see it is that three Big 12 teams performed well in the tournament which is 30% of the whole conference. Not as well as the ACC, but I'm OK with that.

So yeah, he got you there.

 

[HerkyFan]

Not really. Didn't KU, OU, and ISU pretty much play up to their seed? Unless you're saying that Kansas didn't play up to their seed since they were a one seed. That would be a stretch because making the elite 8 is pretty lofty stuff, no matter what the seed.

The way I see it is that three Big 12 teams performed well in the tournament which is 30% of the whole conference. Not as well as the ACC, but I'm OK with that.

The so called overall #1 seed losing in the elite 8 is ok? Then why weren't they seeded lower?

Again 2 out of 7 for the Texas Ten performing at or above their seed is still less than 4 out of 7 for the Big Ten.

 

[OldTownPepe]

What is the point? Sounds like Trump and who has the smallest hands.

 

[Kinky F]

Baylor and WVA stopped by to say hello. Of course the Texas Ten was awesome. Just ask isu grads they will tell you.

The Big 12's top two teams were in the Elite 8 and Final 4 (and maybe more). How are the Big 10's? Also, you do know the Big 10 has four more teams than the Big 12, and you still can't get any further than that. Pathetic.

Middle Tennessee State... whew, they are tough!

 

[Kinky F]

The so called overall #1 seed losing in the elite 8 is ok? Then why weren't they seeded lower?

Again 2 out of 7 for the Texas Ten performing at or above their seed is still less than 4 out of 7 for the Big Ten.

Why is performing above their seed the criteria? So if the Big 10 had 7 teams that got 5-6 seeds, and the Big 12 had 7 teams that got 2-3 seeds, as long as the Big 10 performed above their seeds, that means they are better? You really did not finish college did you?

 

[Isitfootballseason?]

1. You didn't read the part where I stated Uthoff is a great player.
2. You obviously haven't read Herky's posts over the months. He's been screaming Uthoff is better.

Lol yippee!!! Right on cue. Come to save his mouth breathing buddy herky fan in a time of need. Since you're the message board hall monitor and your new rule is people can only discuss things that deal with their screen names, I don't recall anyone us wanting to talk about the number 5 so I'm sure you understand your own rules.


If you have an issue with Herky/jwr/100years/ect ect going off all year about Uthoff being better than Niang, by all means he's on here 24/7 I'm sure he'll be happy to discuss.

 

[Isitfootballseason?]

The Big 12's top two teams were in the Elite 8 and Final 4 (and maybe more). How are the Big 10's? Also, you do know the Big 10 has four more teams than the Big 12, and you still can't get any further than that. Pathetic.

Middle Tennessee State... whew, they are tough!

Herky changes his criteria like the wind. Last year he was going on and on and on about how Big 10 teams went further than Big 12 teams. This year it's about him playing to their seed.


I just hope the Naismith committee calls the Wooden award committee and the AP All American voters to let them know that their mid-season conglomerate list is a better measurement to go off of than the whole season body of work.

 

[5Fan5]

Lol yippee!!! Right on cue. Come to save his mouth breathing buddy herky fan in a time of need. Since you're the message board hall monitor and your new rule is people can only discuss things that deal with their screen names, I don't recall anyone us wanting to talk about the number 5 so I'm sure you understand your own rules.


If you have an issue with Herky/jwr/100years/ect ect going off all year about Uthoff being better than Niang, by all means he's on here 24/7 I'm sure he'll be happy to discuss.

Cue should be your middle name, isit... people here are able to lead you around just like a puppet.

Even some of the worst of the isu lot that spends way too much time here on HR were not dumb enough to start a thread on a rather worn out and very meaningless topic as you have done here. Congratulations on being the worst of the worst.

As for screen names, can you point out anyone else with a more descriptive name/id than yours? Leave it to isu fan extraordinaire to put FOOTBALL in his screen name and then cower from discussing that sport because of the utter embarrassment that isu is to the topic (or, perhaps you can cite another team that has done as poorly or worse than isu has in football). Show me where it is that you post other than here on HR, isit. Otherwise, you are aptly thought of and described as just one more overly obsessed isu fan here on a Hawk message board.

Uthoff is a consensus All-American and academic honoree. Nothing you can type here will ever change that. Your very lame attempt to discredit anything about him only speaks to your failings.

Cannot wait for your substantive reply.... it will be a first when and if it ever happens.

 

[5Fan5]

The Big 12's top two teams were in the Elite 8 and Final 4 (and maybe more). How are the Big 10's? Also, you do know the Big 10 has four more teams than the Big 12, and you still can't get any further than that. Pathetic.

Middle Tennessee State... whew, they are tough!

Others were willing to come to your rescue before... let's see if they are benevolent toward your lunacy now.

isu is one of a very few select teams to ever have lost as both a 2 seed and a 3 seed. You must be so proud !

[UAB was so tough....]

 

[HerkyFan]

Why is performing above their seed the criteria? So if the Big 10 had 7 teams that got 5-6 seeds, and the Big 12 had 7 teams that got 2-3 seeds, as long as the Big 10 performed above their seeds, that means they are better? You really did not finish college did you?

Try reading Kinky. I said at or above their seeds. isu grads loved to tout how great the Texas Ten was based on the number of teams they got in and what seeds they received. Then what happened? 2 out of the 7 met or exceeded their seed while the Big Ten had 4 out 7 meet or exceed their seeds.

So you tell us does this mean the Texas Ten was over rated or underperformed in the tourney? Run along kinky we know you will never answer the question. Same as all great isu grads.

 

[mthawkeyes]

At the low end, Uthoff will have a Matt Bullard NBA career where he comes off the bench to stand in the corner and occupy a defender. He will continue to get stronger, and he has better ball-handling skills and athleticism than Bullard ever had.

 

[HerkyFan]

Herky changes his criteria like the wind. Last year he was going on and on and on about how Big 10 teams went further than Big 12 teams. This year it's about him playing to their seed.


I just hope the Naismith committee calls the Wooden award committee and the AP All American voters to let them know that their mid-season conglomerate list is a better measurement to go off of than the whole season body of work.

Link? Of what I posted last year or just another example of isu grad able to sling their BS but can't back it up.

 

[HerkyFan]

Hey is it,

Last year the Big Ten had more teams go further and more teams exceed their seed than the Texas Ten. Did it stop isu grads from talking about SOS?

Nope. SOS is another one of those things that is at the core of the isu culture.

 

[ft254]

Hey is it,

Last year the Big Ten had more teams go further and more teams exceed their seed than the Texas Ten. Did it stop isu grads from talking about SOS?

Nope. SOS is another one of those things that is at the core of the isu culture.

Herkyfan, your world is small.

 

[HerkyFan]

Herkyfan, your world is small.

If you say so.

 

[Kinky F]

Try reading Kinky. I said at or above their seeds. isu grads loved to tout how great the Texas Ten was based on the number of teams they got in and what seeds they received. Then what happened? 2 out of the 7 met or exceeded their seed while the Big Ten had 4 out 7 meet or exceed their seeds.

So you tell us does this mean the Texas Ten was over rated or underperformed in the tourney? Run along kinky we know you will never answer the question. Same as all great isu grads.

If 4 out of 7 Big 10 teams exceeded their seeds, and there are currently no teams left, what does that tell you about how crappy the Big 10 was? Enough said. Thank you for helping prove that.

Conference USA teams exceeded their seeds too (Middle Tennessee State), and also have no teams left, does that mean they are better than the Big 12?

This is too easy.

 

[Kinky F]

We can sum up everything in one post and close this thread if that's easier for you? I'll list some facts, and you tell me if any of them aren't true:

- ISU beat Iowa head to head on the court. True.
- ISU was ranked higher than Iowa in the final rankings of the regular season, and will be ranked higher in the final rankings after the tournament. True.
- Niang was named a 2nd team AP All American, Uthoff was named 3rd team. True.
- ISU was seeded higher in the NCAA tournament. True.
- ISU made it farther than Iowa in the NCAA tournament. True.
- The highest two ranked Big 10 teams lost in the first round to Middle Tennessee State and Arkansas Little Rock. And it wasn't like MTSU upset Michigan St on a last second shot by 1, they beat them down by 9. True.
- The highest two ranked Big 12 teams made it to the Elite 8, with one still playing in the Final 4. True.
- Many of the Big 10 teams that made it past the first round exited the tournament in embarrassing fashion in games that weren't even close. Big 10 champs Indiana got beat down by 15. Iowa beat down by 19. Maryland dominated by KU by 16. All true.

Not sure what you are trying to argue. That Iowa was better than ISU? Obviously not true. That the Big 10 was better than the Big 12? Obviously not true. You've lost. You have no argument. Admit it like a man and go back downstairs at your moms. There's even a whole separate thread in this forum about how the Big 10 sucked, started by Iowa fans. Bye bye.

 

[24 so far]

As far as I'm concerned, Jarrod Uthoff at midseason was a lead pipe lock to be a 1st Team All-American. He and his teammates play late in the year dictated him falling all the way to a 3rd Teamer, which is nothing to sneeze at, but he WAS on that 1st Team pace for a long time (and don't forget the chatter for National Player of the Year when Iowa was rolling).

 

[24 so far]

We can sum up everything in one post and close this thread if that's easier for you? I'll list some facts, and you tell me if any of them aren't true:

- ISU beat Iowa head to head on the court. True.
- ISU was ranked higher than Iowa in the final rankings of the regular season, and will be ranked higher in the final rankings after the tournament. True.
- Niang was named a 2nd team AP All American, Uthoff was named 3rd team. True.
- ISU was seeded higher in the NCAA tournament. True.
- ISU made it farther than Iowa in the NCAA tournament. True.
- The highest two ranked Big 10 teams lost in the first round to Middle Tennessee State and Arkansas Little Rock. And it wasn't like MTSU upset Michigan St on a last second shot by 1, they beat them down by 9. True.
- The highest two ranked Big 12 teams made it to the Elite 8, with one still playing in the Final 4. True.
- Many of the Big 10 teams that made it past the first round exited the tournament in embarrassing fashion in games that weren't even close. Big 10 champs Indiana got beat down by 15. Iowa beat down by 19. Maryland dominated by KU by 16. All true.

Not sure what you are trying to argue. That Iowa was better than ISU? Obviously not true. That the Big 10 was better than the Big 12? Obviously not true. You've lost. You have no argument. Admit it like a man and go back downstairs at your moms. There's even a whole separate thread in this forum about how the Big 10 sucked, started by Iowa fans. Bye bye.

Good thing Kansas didn't have to play Middle Tennessee State. Since MSU beat Kansas on a neutral court (like the ones they play on in the NCAA Tournament)....... True.

 

[CloneStar]

Tell the Naismith folks how wrong they got it with the semifinalist list.

Maybe they will listen to isu grads this time.

 

[iahawkeyes17]

If Iowa State fans were talking about a certain player being better than Desmond King all season and King ended up with the honors then yes I'd expect Iowa fans to say something

Or that you're obsessive clone fans hanging around an Iowa board and shocked that Iowa fans have a biased opinion of their player over a clone. Jeez imagine that. And yet you are dumb enough to think with all the post you've made you'll change the Iowa fans opinion. How's that working for you?