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Herkyfan how can this be?

If 4 out of 7 Big 10 teams exceeded their seeds, and there are currently no teams left, what does that tell you about how crappy the Big 10 was? Enough said. Thank you for helping prove that.

Conference USA teams exceeded their seeds too (Middle Tennessee State), and also have no teams left, does that mean they are better than the Big 12?

This is too easy.

If the Texas Ten was as awesome as isu grads think it was then they would have had more than 2 out of 7 teams meet or exceed the performance of their seed.

So either the Texas Ten was over rated to begin with or they massively underperformed.

Tell us which it is Kinky.
 
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Cue should be your middle name, isit... people here are able to lead you around just like a puppet.

Even some of the worst of the isu lot that spends way too much time here on HR were not dumb enough to start a thread on a rather worn out and very meaningless topic as you have done here. Congratulations on being the worst of the worst.

As for screen names, can you point out anyone else with a more descriptive name/id than yours? Leave it to isu fan extraordinaire to put FOOTBALL in his screen name and then cower from discussing that sport because of the utter embarrassment that isu is to the topic (or, perhaps you can cite another team that has done as poorly or worse than isu has in football). Show me where it is that you post other than here on HR, isit. Otherwise, you are aptly thought of and described as just one more overly obsessed isu fan here on a Hawk message board.

Uthoff is a consensus All-American and academic honoree. Nothing you can type here will ever change that. Your very lame attempt to discredit anything about him only speaks to your failings.

Cannot wait for your substantive reply.... it will be a first when and if it ever happens.



Yippee strikes again with user name smack!! BOOM! Always such a good little message board hall monitor.

You'll have to point out where I ever said Uthoff wasn't a good player. Thanks and I'm sure you have some grammar and spelling to correct on countless message boards. Cheers.
 
Hey is it,

Last year the Big Ten had more teams go further and more teams exceed their seed than the Texas Ten. Did it stop isu grads from talking about SOS?

Nope. SOS is another one of those things that is at the core of the isu culture.

I agreed with you last year that the Big 10 was a tougher conference and the Big 12 flopped big time in the tourney. This year, I think the Big 12 is the better conference top to bottom.
 
I agreed with you last year that the Big 10 was a tougher conference and the Big 12 flopped big time in the tourney. This year, I think the Big 12 is the better conference top to bottom.

Yet the Texas Ten has proven it isn't the top conference in the country the ACC has.

Nothing new here. Reality and what isu grads think it is is vastly different.
 
Yet the Texas Ten has proven it isn't the top conference in the country the ACC has.

Nothing new here. Reality and what isu grads think it is is vastly different.


Depends on your criteria.

If you're going by whole body of work throughout the season, the Big 12 was the best conference. Almost every metric I've seen has shown this.

If you think a single game tournament is the best metric and you're going by most teams in the sweet 16, elite 8, or final 4, ACC obviously wins. However, OU could still win it all, and then you could throw that into the mix as well.
 
Depends on your criteria.

If you're going by whole body of work throughout the season, the Big 12 was the best conference. Almost every metric I've seen has shown this.

If you think a single game tournament is the best metric and you're going by most teams in the sweet 16, elite 8, or final 4, ACC obviously wins. However, OU could still win it all, and then you could throw that into the mix as well.

Seriously give it up. Do you really think you are going to change his mind. Do you honestly think a bunch of big 10 fans are going to say yep big 12 is the best when the ACC just dominated the tourney. However you were dumb enough to start this thread and have a username talking about if football season is here and a clone fan at that.
 
Seriously give it up. Do you really think you are going to change his mind. Do you honestly think a bunch of big 10 fans are going to say yep big 12 is the best when the ACC just dominated the tourney. However you were dumb enough to start this thread and have a username talking about if football season is here and a clone fan at that.


Lol....you must know know his posting history. Just wanted to see how he would dodge dip dive duck and dodge. He's worth the price of admission!


I have appreciated most other Hawk fans who actually discuss topics and not have 4-5 go-to lines that are on repeat.
 
Why is performing above their seed the criteria? So if the Big 10 had 7 teams that got 5-6 seeds, and the Big 12 had 7 teams that got 2-3 seeds, as long as the Big 10 performed above their seeds, that means they are better? You really did not finish college did you?
Kinky, you're beat man. You're beat. Even I'm starting to feel sorry for you.
 
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Yet the Texas Ten has proven it isn't the top conference in the country the ACC has.

Nothing new here. Reality and what isu grads think it is is vastly different.

See, the ACC has 14 teams (like the Big 10), and they got 6 teams to the Sweet 16, and even advanced some beyond that. The Big 10 has 14 teams and can't get any to the Elite 8? What a joke. Middle Tennessee State is dominant though!

And I know you want to keep arguing conference vs. conference (which the Big 12 wins by everyone's standards), because that's all you have. Lord knows you can't argue Iowa vs. ISU, that's a loser for you too.

Keep going round in circles though. No one cares.
 
Kinky, you're beat man. You're beat. Even I'm starting to feel sorry for you.

The one Iowa fan to take JWR/100's/Herky's side. That's a lonely place to be. When you can't argue your team is better, or your conference is better, and all you have is a claim some teams in the other conference underperformed (when your conference was the BIGGEST underperformer), that's your argument? That's all you got? You are both jokes, and even Iowa fans see that. See the other huge thread in this forum about how the Big 10 totally choked. They didn't just lose games, they got destroyed.
 
Link? Of what I posted last year or just another example of isu grad able to sling their BS but can't back it up.

Your comment from last year: "Any conference that won more games than the Texas Ten in the tourney can claim superiority."

No mention of seeding...no mention of upsets....just that total wins in the tourney is an indicator of the superior conference.
 
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Your comment from last year: "Any conference that won more games than the Texas Ten in the tourney can claim superiority."

No mention of seeding...no mention of upsets....just that total wins in the tourney is an indicator of the superior conference.

If upsets consistently occur for the Texas Ten then either they are consistently over rated or they consistently fail to perform in the post season. In either case the ending is the same. isu grads and their view of how mighty the Texas Ten doesn't match reality. This isn't new and this isn't confined to men's basketball. The same thing can be said for football and for at least the past 5-6 years.

Watching isu grads cling to their myth though is highly entertaining.
 
The one Iowa fan to take JWR/100's/Herky's side. That's a lonely place to be. When you can't argue your team is better, or your conference is better, and all you have is a claim some teams in the other conference underperformed (when your conference was the BIGGEST underperformer), that's your argument? That's all you got? You are both jokes, and even Iowa fans see that. See the other huge thread in this forum about how the Big 10 totally choked. They didn't just lose games, they got destroyed.

Hey Kinky guess what, you don't even know what you are arguing against. I never said the Big Ten was better than the Texas Ten. What I have said and have been consistently saying is that the Texas Ten isn't as great as isu grad think it is. This year is no different than the past 5-6 years.

The ACC is hands down the best conference in the country. They won more games and have had more teams meet or exceed their seeding than any other conference. The Big 10 has more teams that have met or exceeded their seed in the tournament. Does this change isu grads view that the Texas Ten is the best? Nope not at all. isu grads will continue to cling to their myth.

Keep up the great work.
 
We can sum up everything in one post and close this thread if that's easier for you? I'll list some facts, and you tell me if any of them aren't true:

- ISU beat Iowa head to head on the court. True. Ranked isu, with much higher aspirations (Final Four and top five) and decisively favored trailed the majority of the game in Ames before winning by one point over an unranked Iowa team.

- ISU was ranked higher than Iowa in the final rankings of the regular season, and will be ranked higher in the final rankings after the tournament. True. isu was ranked much higher even in the preseason, yet failed once again to meet those lofty expectations falling to considerably lower rankings recently. On the other hand, Iowa began the season without any rankings or recognition only to play well enough to be ranked top twenty-five.

- Niang was named a 2nd team AP All American, Uthoff was named 3rd team. True. Quite similar to the teams each played for this season, one player received many plaudits and press from the preseason on while the other had relatively little of that recognition. The one that was deemed great from the start managed to be perhaps marginally better than the one without all of the publicity.

- ISU was seeded higher in the NCAA tournament. True. Most here will recall a team that was seeded second just last year and then went on to lose in the opening round to UAB.

- ISU made it farther than Iowa in the NCAA tournament. True. It is well documented that isu played two double digit seeds and then proceeded to lose (and, to use your phrasing - it wasn't on any last second shot) in the next game. The team that defeated mighty isu also lost its very next game.

- The highest two ranked Big 10 teams lost in the first round to Middle Tennessee State and Arkansas Little Rock. And it wasn't like MTSU upset Michigan St on a last second shot by 1, they beat them down by 9. True. The overall number one seed of the entire tourney field failed to even reach the Final Four. Care to guess which conference that team was the undisputed champion of this season?

- The highest two ranked Big 12 teams made it to the Elite 8, with one still playing in the Final 4. True. See above. In the previous ten years, including this season, the Big Ten has had more teams (8) appear in Final Fours than has the big xii (3). During the period of the big xii, version 1.0 (when the big xii had more teams) the Big Ten still placed more teams (10) into the Final Four when compared to the big xii. Not surprisingly, the Big Ten was represented in the Final Four twice as many times (8 years to 4) as the big xii during that time span.

- Many of the Big 10 teams that made it past the first round exited the tournament in embarrassing fashion in games that weren't even close. Big 10 champs Indiana got beat down by 15. Iowa beat down by 19. Maryland dominated by KU by 16. All true. And that miracle team from Ames that was all that prior to the season even experiencing a single game exited in just the same fashion. No Final Four. No top five. No top ten. For a team that spent top eight money recruiting its players and being touted by fans and pundits alike, not too sure that this season ranks right there with one of the great under-performances this year.

Not sure what you are trying to argue. That Iowa was better than ISU? Obviously not true. That the Big 10 was better than the Big 12? Obviously not true. You've lost. You have no argument. Admit it like a man and go back downstairs at your moms. There's even a whole separate thread in this forum about how the Big 10 sucked, started by Iowa fans. Bye bye.
 
Iowa State had a better season than Iowa and the Big 12 showed they were a stronger conference than the Big Ten this year. Seriously what is there to argue about anymore? I'd say the ACC was the best conference but I really don't care, I was thrilled when Kansas, West Virginia and Texas lost.
 
Lol....you must know know his posting history. Just wanted to see how he would dodge dip dive duck and dodge. He's worth the price of admission!


I have appreciated most other Hawk fans who actually discuss topics and not have 4-5 go-to lines that are on repeat.

Yet you know how this idiot post. Its been like this for years. But like moths to a flame for some reason a certain amount of dumb clone fans fall into his trap and get into the same bitch fest with him. Congrats on that....

You've proven your idiotic username as a clone fan is no coincidence.
 
Sitting here going into Final Four weekend I can't imagine fans of either team have a very good taste in their mouths with how their seasons ended. Both teams ended up falling short of what could have been special seasons for both. Then again, most teams say that. Clown fans can point all they want to how they beat us (on their home floor by one, but a win nonetheless) and how they will finish the year ranked higher. Sweet. No one is going to remember that in 5 years, 10 years, 20 years. As a Hawk fan I will remember this team being #3 in the nation and being predicted as a #1 seed in the tournament and have it all go down the crapper in a way that would stump Mulder and Scully. I imagine ISU fans feel about the same way.
 
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Sitting here going into Final Four weekend I can't imagine fans of either team have a very good taste in their mouths with how their seasons ended. Both teams ended up falling short of what could have been special seasons for both. Then again, most teams say that. Clown fans can point all they want to how they beat us (on their home floor by one, but a win nonetheless) and how they will finish the year ranked higher. Sweet. No one is going to remember that in 5 years, 10 years, 20 years. As a Hawk fan I will remember this team being #3 in the nation and being predicted as a #1 seed in the tournament and have it all go down the crapper in a way that would stump Mulder and Scully. I imagine ISU fans feel about the same way.


Honestly, once ISU lost Naz for the year my hopes went from final four to sweet 16. They made it to the second weekend (yes I know against a 13 and 12 seed), and I'm cool with that. Still what could have been....
 
Honestly, once ISU lost Naz for the year my hopes went from final four to sweet 16. They made it to the second weekend (yes I know against a 13 and 12 seed), and I'm cool with that. Still what could have been....

At least you had something you could point your finger to as a possible turning point. We stayed healthy (at least from the outside looking in) throughout the year. Nicks and bruises here and there. For the Hawks to get where they were going into the Maryland game and have it all collapse like a house of cards was just gut wrenching. The worst part was going into every game thinking,"Maybe this is the one where they get their mojo back and get back to where they were in December/January" Just never happened. Doubt crept in more and more with each lackluster performance but I still held out some hope that maybe a magical march run would be possible. So now like your name says...Is it football season?
 
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At least you had something you could point your finger to as a possible turning point. We stayed healthy (at least from the outside looking in) throughout the year. Nicks and bruises here and there. For the Hawks to get where they were going into the Maryland game and have it all collapse like a house of cards was just gut wrenching. The worst part was going into every game thinking,"Maybe this is the one where they get their mojo back and get back to where they were in December/January" Just never happened. Doubt crept in more and more with each lackluster performance but I still held out some hope that maybe a magical march run would be possible. So now like your name says...Is it football season?

Iowa lost one of its main guys expecting to contribute off the bench in dale jones 6 games into the year. So not like Iowa didn't have any injury issues as well.

As for isu long would have been their 5th or 6th best player on roster not like losing niang or Morris.
 
The one Iowa fan to take JWR/100's/Herky's side. That's a lonely place to be. When you can't argue your team is better, or your conference is better, and all you have is a claim some teams in the other conference underperformed (when your conference was the BIGGEST underperformer), that's your argument? That's all you got? You are both jokes, and even Iowa fans see that. See the other huge thread in this forum about how the Big 10 totally choked. They didn't just lose games, they got destroyed.
Rocky hits the pipe hard so it becomes easy for him to relate to 100. They get on the same wavelength.
 
I love it when isu grads get so pissed at the facts I post about isu that they put me on ignore and then keep posting on an Iowa site.

It is the best form of the little brother syndrome isu grads are afflicted with.
 
Iowa lost one of its main guys expecting to contribute off the bench in dale jones 6 games into the year. So not like Iowa didn't have any injury issues as well.

As for isu long would have been their 5th or 6th best player on roster not like losing niang or Morris.

Before his injury Jones was a guy getting 13 mins a game averaging just over 5 pts a game, probably the 4th or 5th best player on the Hawks roster, plus his injury likely opened the door for a walk on named Nicholas Baer to get more minutes. Long averaged over 30 mins and 12 pts a game so by the numbers a much bigger loss. That will hopefully be the last time I ever support a cyclown fan's statement, sheesh.

Main point was that only being 6 games in and Jones not being a proven commodity, at least in an Iowa uniform, it's tough for me to sit here and point to his injury as a reason that the Hawks fell flat on their faces the last part of the season.
 
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Iowa lost one of its main guys expecting to contribute off the bench in dale jones 6 games into the year. So not like Iowa didn't have any injury issues as well.

As for isu long would have been their 5th or 6th best player on roster not like losing niang or Morris.


I disagree somewhat with this. Sure in pure talent he's probably 4th-5th fiddle, but his ability to hit 3s, play good man to man defense, and proven track record to hit clutch game winning shots was all lost with him. Not to mention the depth he brings. In every single ISU loss (besides Virginia), they were in it in the final minutes and then it fell apart. Obviously some of that was not getting stops and poor execution, but a lot of that stems from guys just being gassed out.


The only silver lining is ISU's team next year will have a bit of a shot in the arm with Thomas, Long, Burton, and possibly Morris back.
 
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