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put this in perspective... the SEC teams that play FCS teams are...
Florida vs Presbyterian College Blue Hose
South Carolina vs Western Carolina Catamounts
Vanderbilt vs Tennessee State Tigers
Kentucky vs Austin Peay Governors
Georgia vs Nicholls Colonels
Tennessee vs Tennessee Tech Golden Eagles
Missouri vs Delaware State Hornets
Mississippi State vs Samford Bulldogs
Alabama vs Chattanooga Mocs
Texas A&M vs Prairie View Panthers
Arkansas vs Alcorn State Braves
Auburn vs Alabama A&M Bulldogs
Ole Miss vs Wofford Terriers
LSU vs Jacksonville State Gamecocks
also of note....
Georgia plays 10 Power 5 teams....
Mississippi State only plays 8 Power 5 teams
all 12 other SEC teams only play 9 Power 5 teams...
and Iowa, of course.... plays 10 Power 5 teams...
if you criticize Iowa for their schedule, you are a liar and a hypocrite... especially if you work for ESPN.
Florida vs Presbyterian College Blue Hose
South Carolina vs Western Carolina Catamounts
Vanderbilt vs Tennessee State Tigers
Kentucky vs Austin Peay Governors
Georgia vs Nicholls Colonels
Tennessee vs Tennessee Tech Golden Eagles
Missouri vs Delaware State Hornets
Mississippi State vs Samford Bulldogs
Alabama vs Chattanooga Mocs
Texas A&M vs Prairie View Panthers
Arkansas vs Alcorn State Braves
Auburn vs Alabama A&M Bulldogs
Ole Miss vs Wofford Terriers
LSU vs Jacksonville State Gamecocks
also of note....
Georgia plays 10 Power 5 teams....
Mississippi State only plays 8 Power 5 teams
all 12 other SEC teams only play 9 Power 5 teams...
and Iowa, of course.... plays 10 Power 5 teams...
if you criticize Iowa for their schedule, you are a liar and a hypocrite... especially if you work for ESPN.
I think the criticism is of the non conference schedule. Wisconsin the last few years has played at least one tough non-conference game......I'm not saying they all should be tough......But you have to try to play a top 25 team at least one week of your non-conference schedule. If you look at Iowa's schedule through 2020, it is pretty dismal from a cupcake perspective........Play Alabama, play LSU, play Ole' Miss, Play USC........just play someone who is going to give you an indication of where your program is at. It also affects recruiting.......But, it makes me wonder if Gary Barta actually understands that.......
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Oh hey, another thread about Colin Cowherd...
You guys are doing EXACTLY what he wants you to do...
You guys are doing EXACTLY what he wants you to do...
I think the real problem with Iowa's 2015 schedule were the conference games which they have no control over. The conference schedule was weaker than normal. It's a bit tougher in 2016, but until Ohio State shows back on the schedule some of that perception will be hard to shake.
While he isn't entirely wrong, it's funny that he calls Iowa out on the schedule thing when you have teams like Baylor schedule 3 complete cupcakes every single year.
Before this year's 9 game conference schedule, Iowa regularly scheduled two Power five teams each year.
Before this year's 9 game conference schedule, Iowa regularly scheduled two Power five teams each year.
Who really gives a shit what he thinks?
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Iowa fans, apparently...wayyyy too many of them.
He does this because it drives traffic to his social media and his show.
There are worse things in regards to CFB than being called out for a weak non conference schedule. When a team is undefeated going into conference champ game, everyone outside of Iowa perks up and says wow I wonder who they've played? It was just bad luck Iowa didn't have mich, tOSU or mich st on regular season schedule last year. Having one of those teams on your schedule and winning the game and no one says a word, but that was last year. Now it's all about Colin tooting his own horn.
It's not really the schedule. Think about it: Oregon or Texas Or Alabama or Notre Dame in there instead of ISU is a sure loss. It's the fact that Iowa can't hang since stanzi left. Not in bowls, not during the season.
So I see your point about Iowa and SEC teams scheduling FCS teams but look at this.
Iowas biggest non conference FBS game is Iowa St.
Florida plays FSU
LSU plays Wisconsin on a netural site basically home Wisconsin game
Tennessee pays VA Tech on a neutral site
Bama plays USC
Georgia plays UNC
Kentucky plays Louisville.
These are the first 6 I even randomly checked there schedules and I'm bored now so I'm not going to keep going with SEC schedules. So do I think they should take more crap for scheduling FCS teams? Absolutely. But they're also scheduling way harder teams than Iowa St (I understand we're stuck in a scheduling contract with them) and also we all have to admit over the last 10 years the SEC has been the top conference so even when LSU plays Alabama that's a tougher matchup than anything in the BIG or anything a BIG team scheduled.
Iowas biggest non conference FBS game is Iowa St.
Florida plays FSU
LSU plays Wisconsin on a netural site basically home Wisconsin game
Tennessee pays VA Tech on a neutral site
Bama plays USC
Georgia plays UNC
Kentucky plays Louisville.
These are the first 6 I even randomly checked there schedules and I'm bored now so I'm not going to keep going with SEC schedules. So do I think they should take more crap for scheduling FCS teams? Absolutely. But they're also scheduling way harder teams than Iowa St (I understand we're stuck in a scheduling contract with them) and also we all have to admit over the last 10 years the SEC has been the top conference so even when LSU plays Alabama that's a tougher matchup than anything in the BIG or anything a BIG team scheduled.
that Iowa State game is in addition to the 9 regularly scheduled conference games...
perhaps you missed that part?
Iowa plays 10 Power 5 teams... the SEC plays 9 Power 5 teams...
Iowa is a good program. Not a bad one (Rutgers, Iowa State). Not an average one (Northwestern, K-State) And not a great one (Alabama, Ohio State).
I, in all honesty, never see us reaching great and staying there, but I think every once in a while we can compete with the great ones and lose to the bad.
In other words, what shock jocks like Cowherd say does not bother me.
I, in all honesty, never see us reaching great and staying there, but I think every once in a while we can compete with the great ones and lose to the bad.
In other words, what shock jocks like Cowherd say does not bother me.
Ok I get that but Iowa is playing Iowa State and Miami of Ohio which count as 2/10 of there Power 5 games. Florida is playing FSU, Bama plays USC etc. that is way more difficult then Iowa playing Miami of Ohio and Iowa St. I mean come on I'm as big of an Iowa fan as all of us and an alum but they need to schedule someone else that will help with both revenue and recruiting. I don't care we play more power 5 teams. 2 of them are trash and the 3rd ooc game was FCS.
Yeah my bad I was looking at FBS not Power 5. The same argument could be said about Purdue lol.
look... I'm not picking on you.... but Iowa plays 10 Power 5 teams.... the SEC plays 9 Power 5 teams... but... you think Iowa should play 11 Power 5 teams to equal the SEC's 9 Power 5 teams?
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I'm not saying that. I get with our conference schedule plus the ISU game it makes it difficult to schedule any other Power 5 games. But before trashing the SEC schedule actually look at it. Our out of conference schedule is Miami of Ohio, ISU, and a FCS team NDSU. Even if a SEC team plays 2 MAC schools then a sun belt team and then schedules Oklahoma, Oregon, FSU etc that is a more difficult OOC then Iowa.
I mean even Arkansas, Missouri and South Carolina who are not great teams in the SEC are playing TCU, West Virginia and Clemson.
West Virginia was 8-5 a year ago..
take Mississippi State... they don't play a Power 5 team outside their conference..
take Florida as an example... they were a Division winner in the SEC last season...
they play UMass ... North Texas... and Presbyterian...
Iowa plays Miami U and North Dakota State....
that is 3 non Power Conference teams vs. Iowa's 2
ok... now... Umass.... North Texas... and Presbyterian... are cupcakes...
I don't think anybody would argue that...
but... here is my point..... Florida plays 3 cupcakes...
Iowa plays 2 cupcakes... one of which they lost to...
whether you want to argue 5 time FCS Champion is a cupcake or not, is beside the point...
Iowa plays more Power Conference teams than 13 of the 14 SEC teams...
and think about this... what are we going to gain?... national respect?
why should we?
if we win the B1G Conference championship... we will be in the College Playoffs...
now... again...
what do you imagine we have to gain by scheduling 11 Power Conference games?
another thing... I have to believe in the near future, we will be playing 10 Conference games... I hope its next season...
but... one more question....
what would you rather see.... Iowa scheduling Arkansas... or... the B1G Conference Champion GUARANTEED a spot in the College Playoffs?
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What you're forgetting to mention about Florida is they play FSU. I'm not disputing with you about us playing 2 and then playing 3. What I'm saying is I think games against FSU, West Virginia, Wisconsin, USC are more difficult than against ISU
I mentioned that I agree that it is difficult with our schedule considering the amount of conference games we have and the contract we have with ISU. I would like to get rid of ISU but I don't see that happening.
And for your last question does it matter? If Iowa schedules a Arkansas, South Carolina, Florida, Notre Dame, Texas or anyone else that would help with revenue or recruiting in week 2 and unfortunately loses but goes undefeated in conference and wins the conference championship don't you think we have a better shot then if we lose to NDSU? Doesn't going to Texas but losing to them at least benefit us in recruiting? I forgot how NDSU helps us in any way possible.
Please note those are random teams that I picked, not ones I think we should necessarily schedule or anything so let's not get into that topic.
Did anyone else already mention that there was another thread about this exact same video?...........
Oh well.
Oh well.
see... you are comparing Iowa State to Florida State... you should be comparing Iowa State to North Texas or UMass...
be honest about this...
side by side comparison... Florida vs Iowa
Presbyterian = North Dakota State (FCS)
North Texas (1-11) = Miami U (3-9)
UMass (3-9) = Iowa State (P5 3-9)
those are your honest comparisons...
if you are outraged that Iowa doesn't play a tougher schedule.... then you have to be equally outraged with Florida for not playing a tougher schedule.
*also.... Iowa plays 3 teams that won 10 games last season...
Northwestern - Wisconsin - Michigan
Florida only plays 2 teams that won 10 games last season...
Georgia - Florida State
as far as Recruiting... I think we are doing fine... we're coming off a 12-2 season.
I'd much rather see a guaranteed spot in the College Playoffs.
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The issue here, if we're being honest is, IOWA STATE SUCKS. That's the problem. In the last 10 or so years they haven't sucked when we played them, but when 22 guys with a pulse have played them outside of the Iowa game, they have dominated them 9 out of 12 games a year... They are the black eye here, lest anyone forget just a week ago we stomped their @ss and fell in the coaches poll.
UF can schedule all the cupcakes they want, and don't forget just a couple years ago they too lost to a FCS team at home.
UF can schedule all the cupcakes they want, and don't forget just a couple years ago they too lost to a FCS team at home.
well.... whether Iowa State is good or not... they make for a good football game.
but I want to make another point regarding Florida...
the big deal is made that they schedule Florida State...
now... compare them with Pittsburgh.... who Iowa scheduled last season....
Pittsburgh was 6-2 in the ACC and finished 2nd in the Coastal Division
Florida State was 6-2 in the ACC and finished 2nd in the Atlantic Division
people that complain about Iowa's schedule are liars and hypocrites.
I think you're missing the point. If you want to do it this way, and if you're not gonna look at the whole conference and just Florida ok so Umass equals ISU. Who equals FSU on our schedule?
For the recruiting aspect do you really think we're doing fine? You don't think it would help if we played in the state of Texas or Florida or anywhere else we try and recruit?
Also I think I'm missing your point on this 'guaranteed' playoff spot. I don't see how losing to NDSU but winning the conference championship guarantees us a spot in the playoff. But losing a game either at or on a netural site to Texas, Notre Dame, or any program with a heartbeat but winning the conference doesn't 'guarantee' is a spot.
In 2014-15 OSU lost a very bad game to Va Tech ended up winning the conference getting a spot in the playoff and winning the whole thing.
Again let's stop focusing on just Florida. Look at Stanfords schedule last year and this year. Last year they played 11 power 5 games and the 12th was still FBS same thing this year. Last year they played both northwestern and notre dame. Lost to northwestern and still had a pretty good season. This year they play northwestern. So since they play 11 and we play 10 power 5 games I guess that makes our schedule look terrible to theres?
Yes. When one of them is ISU you have to get another P5 on the schedule.
I am also sick of so called Iowa fans just giving up and saying we will never be a national power. Fine, maybe not, but we aren't even trying. Ohio State is a national power. You're basically saying we aren't even going to try to win our own conference because to win it we have to go through OSU, Michigan, Sparty. This mentality is Clone-like. You want to root for a loser program than your in-state school resides in Ames. I choose to pull for a winner.
Agree, I feel like we need more of the moxie that HF brought to Iowa City right now. Remember the saying "Go for it!!!". It's simple but its a perfect attitude for football. NDSU showed us they weren't afraid to go for it and those guys are pure winners. Just very impressed with what that program has been able to accomplish in North Dakota of all places.
Who you play in the non-conference doesn't dictate your status if you're a power 5 team. Last season, iowa went undefeated IN PART because of their BIG schedule, but the way the season was going, no one could say with all certainty that had OSU, Mich, or MSU played in Kinnick that we would have lost. The only fact anyone could point to was that none of them were on the schedule, and almost all of them failed to point out that Iowa didn't make that choice, nor did they know 3-5 years in advance when non conference games are scheduled that it would be the case.
plenty of teams have over come an early season loss to go onto good/great things. If you're gonna lose, the month to lose is September...
If Iowa were to navigate the rest of its schedule and the Big10 title game... they would have defeated potentially ranked teams in Wisconsin, Nebraska, Michigan, and Ohio State or Michigan State. With quality road wins at Penn State, and Minnesota.
They would have the resume equal to or better than any 1-loss or potentially even any undefeated team. Even if FSU goes undefeated the rest of the way, they still got sh*t stomped giving up 63 to Louisville.
The imposter here is Colin. I bet the only plays of the NDSU game he saw were on sports center, or the game winning kick on twitter. He didn't see how 3 plays from the end of the 2nd quarter to the start of the third quarter could have changed the game and resulted in an Iowa blow-out.
plenty of teams have over come an early season loss to go onto good/great things. If you're gonna lose, the month to lose is September...
If Iowa were to navigate the rest of its schedule and the Big10 title game... they would have defeated potentially ranked teams in Wisconsin, Nebraska, Michigan, and Ohio State or Michigan State. With quality road wins at Penn State, and Minnesota.
They would have the resume equal to or better than any 1-loss or potentially even any undefeated team. Even if FSU goes undefeated the rest of the way, they still got sh*t stomped giving up 63 to Louisville.
The imposter here is Colin. I bet the only plays of the NDSU game he saw were on sports center, or the game winning kick on twitter. He didn't see how 3 plays from the end of the 2nd quarter to the start of the third quarter could have changed the game and resulted in an Iowa blow-out.
Yes, They beat 1 FBS team a year and do what they do very well against like-talented teams.. I had the same issue with Boise State a few years ago. Its easy to play Oklahoma out of your minds in a major bowl game against a team who knows you have inferior talent and doesn't give you the respect you deserve...
I'd love to see NDSU now have to go play Nebraska this week, or Michigan, or Ohio State, or Penn State, or Michigan State etc.. football is a grind, its a marathon not a sprint.
Pitt went 8-5 last year and got housed by Navy in their bowl game- they weren't that good.
1. He's right about Iowa's schedule last year and this year being very soft.
2. I don't think Iowa can be criticized for playing a Big XII team every year just because that team has only beaten Iowa half the time under Ferentz.
2. I don't think Iowa can be criticized for playing a Big XII team every year just because that team has only beaten Iowa half the time under Ferentz.
On point one, I'm not sure I agree that this year's schedule is soft, especially the BIG portion of it. Iowa plays Michigan, Wisconsin, and Nebraska (all are top 25 teams). They also play at Minnesota and at PSU.
As you alluded to, Iowa has a Big 12 team scheduled every year. It's not our fault that most years ISU isn't very good. Also, up until last year Iowa scheduled two power five teams each year.
Iowa's schedule isn't among the toughest, but it's not the easiest either. It's a pretty average or normal schedule. Go look at Baylor's schedule. They might not play a single top 15 team all year.
He is right to a point.
The issues is ISU. Iowa will NOT schedule another BIG TIME opponent while they are still on the schedule. The best we will get is Pitt, Syracuse, ASU, ect....
The issues is ISU. Iowa will NOT schedule another BIG TIME opponent while they are still on the schedule. The best we will get is Pitt, Syracuse, ASU, ect....
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