He's Not Incorrect
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One game doesn't indicate where your program is at nor affect recruiting. The combined outcome of your 12 games played does.
well... yah.... you don't want to look focus on SEC because its destroys your argument and makes you out to be a hypocrite... I understand that..
now.... the Pac12 has its own television network independent of ESPN.... is that right?
Florida is a part of ESPN and the SEC network.... is that right?
ok... now.... people on ESPN complain about Iowa's schedule when by comparison it is stronger than those of the SEC.... there's no question about that...
the Pac 12 schedules 9 Conference games... and teams like Stanford and USC play 11 Power 5 teams... since Notre Dame is considered a Power 5 team... even though they don't play in a Power 5 Conference.... (very odd indeed)
my point is very clear... Iowa has a stronger schedule than 13 of the 14 SEC teams.
therefore... if you are critical of Iowa's schedule, you should be more critical of the SEC schedule.... otherwise you are a hypocrite.
and for GUARANTEED playoff spots....
its an illegitimate system until there are guaranteed spots....
the Playoff committee could select an 0-12 Iowa State team... a 1-11 Kentucky team... and a 1-11 Vanderbilt team and a 13-0 Alabama team as its 4 Playoff teams...
this would be equivalent to the 2012 National Championship game where a committee selected 2 SEC teams to insure that an SEC team wins the National Championship.
to be fair... to be just... there needs to be guaranteed spots in the College Playoffs...
if your priorities were straight... you would direct your anger at the NCAA... and not at Iowa.
the reason why you are so worried confused and frustrated is because of the NCAA and the system in place... its non sensical... let's face it... its straight up stupid..
the college is supposed to stand for smarts... intelligence.. education...
but they ain't smart enough to figure out a legitimate playoff system?
you know why that is?.... it is because of money and power... if they adopted a legitimate system, this hurts ESPN.... because then the SEC gets exposed....
its critically important financially that an SEC team represents one of the major contenders for a Championship every single year...
so far we have had 2 years where the College Playoffs did a good job of selecting Conference Champions Only...
the B1G won 1 Championship
the SEC won 1 Championship
what if Stanford played Alabama last year in the Championship game?
maybe Stanford wins that game... but by controlling who is in and who is not in... this gives the SEC an advantage.
do you see what I'm saying?... its important to look at all angles here...
why don't they adapt a perfect system.?. if you win your Conference Championship, you deserve a spot in the playoffs... regardless of your overall record.
so..... while your focused on Iowa State and North Dakota State... you're missing the bigger picture... and that is guaranteed spots... just like every other sport in the history of mankind... except..... gymnastics?... I don't know...
what if the NFL adopted the College Playoff System.... you'd think they were a bunch of retards.. well.... if the NFL would be retarded for adopting the College Playoff System...
what does that say about the NCAA?
He's absolutely correct. Who the f cares about what Baylor or Mississippi State is doing. Iowa should hold itself to a higher standard.
Here's a quick rundown of all this year's P5 out-of-conference schedules. Iowa ranks 57, behind the entire SEC. Pathetic.
http://newsok.com/article/5505039
And yes, if Iowa State has to go to alleviate this problem, so be it.
55. Missouri: at West Virginia, Eastern Michigan, Delaware State, Middle Tennessee. The worst of the SEC schedules, but they're really all about the same.
56. Michigan: Hawaii, Central Florida, Colorado. The Wolverines once were too proud to play a schedule like this.
57. Iowa: Miami-Ohio, Iowa State, North Dakota State. Beware North Dakota State. North Dakota State beat Kansas State two years ago.
58. Kansas: Rhode Island, Ohio, at Memphis. Until the Jayhawks get better, you can't bash this schedule.
59. Indiana: at Florida International, Ball State, Wake Forest. Kevin Wilson needs a sweep.
60. Washington: Rutgers, Idaho, Portland State. Washington ought to be ashamed.
61. Wake Forest: Tulane, Delaware, at Indiana, Army. Hard to believe this isn't the ACC's worst schedule.
62. Maryland: Howard, at Florida International, at Central Florida. The Terrapins' profile hasn't exactly soared since leaving the ACC, and this schedule won't help.
63. Baylor: Northwestern State of Louisiana, SMU, at Rice. Art Briles is gone, but Art Briles' schedule remains.
64. Boston College: at Massachusetts, Wagner, Buffalo, Connecticut. You know your schedule stinks when the farthest south opponent is from Staten Island.
Here's a quick rundown of all this year's P5 out-of-conference schedules. Iowa ranks 57, behind the entire SEC. Pathetic.
http://newsok.com/article/5505039
And yes, if Iowa State has to go to alleviate this problem, so be it.
55. Missouri: at West Virginia, Eastern Michigan, Delaware State, Middle Tennessee. The worst of the SEC schedules, but they're really all about the same.
56. Michigan: Hawaii, Central Florida, Colorado. The Wolverines once were too proud to play a schedule like this.
57. Iowa: Miami-Ohio, Iowa State, North Dakota State. Beware North Dakota State. North Dakota State beat Kansas State two years ago.
58. Kansas: Rhode Island, Ohio, at Memphis. Until the Jayhawks get better, you can't bash this schedule.
59. Indiana: at Florida International, Ball State, Wake Forest. Kevin Wilson needs a sweep.
60. Washington: Rutgers, Idaho, Portland State. Washington ought to be ashamed.
61. Wake Forest: Tulane, Delaware, at Indiana, Army. Hard to believe this isn't the ACC's worst schedule.
62. Maryland: Howard, at Florida International, at Central Florida. The Terrapins' profile hasn't exactly soared since leaving the ACC, and this schedule won't help.
63. Baylor: Northwestern State of Louisiana, SMU, at Rice. Art Briles is gone, but Art Briles' schedule remains.
64. Boston College: at Massachusetts, Wagner, Buffalo, Connecticut. You know your schedule stinks when the farthest south opponent is from Staten Island.
If we're talking changes to the playoff system, I want to see a move to 8 then top out at 16 teams. Higher seeds host first two rounds, semis and finals at neutral sites.
That way Iowa might actually have a shot at making it into the playoffs in my lifetime.
That way Iowa might actually have a shot at making it into the playoffs in my lifetime.
I like that idea... for sure.... 8 is better than 4...
I'm not disagreeing with you at all... but what I would like to see is the dissolution of the Big 12.... and then that way... you have 4 Conferences with 2 Divisions in each Conference... then this would operate the same as an 8 team Playoff.
NDSU is less talented obviously but that's not the point. It's what they are able to do with their talent that's impressive. That's coaching and the system they have in place.
Ok you keep avoiding the point that our toughest Power 5 game OOC is ISU, you make such a big deal about us playing a Power 5 team but you fail to realize that they were the 3rd worst team on our OOC schedule. Let me reiterate that, the only Power 5 OOC team we played was worse than the MAC school we played (arguably but I think they are worse) and worse than the FCS team we lost to.
So since you are only willing to focus on the SEC, which is a dumb way to compare Iowas schedule, lets go back to the SEC then. According to Sagarin it shows Iowas schedule ranking 112, I am not going to look through every team in the SEC but I see 6 teams in the SEC with a higher ranking above them already, and that is only looking at the first 20 teams listed.
Then according to this website (credible or not idc)
https://www.teamrankings.com/college-football/ranking/non-conference-sos-by-other
Iowa is ranked 122 in OOC schedule, again I am not going to go through the entire list because I guarantee there are more than 1 team in the SEC ranked above that. So I have no idea where you came up with our schedule is tougher than 13/14 teams.
Now lets look within the BIG...
OSU plays 10 Power 5 teams and schedules Oklahoma on the road
MSU plays 10 Power 5 and goes on the road to ND
Wisconsin against LSU
Nebraska against Oregon
Rutgers even schedules Washington
Illinois plays UNC
Purdue plays Cincinnati
Finally looking into your guaranteed playoff spots, you can't do that unless you expand the playoffs. If you have 5 Power 5 teams guaranteed a spot then you have the teams like ND, BYU etc you need more than 4 playoff teams. I would be good with going to an 8 team playoff and having guaranteed spots or doing it how we do it. The only issue with the guaranteed spots is what if say the BIG West has a down year and Minnesota somehow wins the West, then they beat an undefeated OSU in the BIG Championship, you're saying they should get a spot in the Playoffs with idk 2-3 losses and maybe even one of those losses coming to say Purdue?
you know your position is weak when you have to use Iowa State to support your argument because they are a "Power 5" team
would like to see an 8 team playoff. Power 5 champions, and three at large would be a good place to start
I agree that would be awesome but like I mentioned it could easily be flawed. What is a terrible Minnesota teams sneaks into the championship game because the BIG West had a down year and Minnesota somehow beats an undeafeatef OSU team.
I would be fine with that. The system was in place before the season started. Every P5 school in the country knew the rules and knew they could have done exactly what Minnesota did in your example. There are also 3 at-large spots for teams that suffer upsets in the CCGs, so there is a safety net. If the Gophers, in your example, proceed to win 3 straight playoff games then they will have earned that National Title, if they get beat, well then they weren't worthy.
I would think you would want your alma mater to strive to be the best they can be, not just...settle.
It must be invisible font because I don't see where I said I didn't want them to strive to be the best....
Yes, he is right on the concept.
We are certainly not the #1 poser tho, not even close. A LOT of programs schedule similar to the way we do.
Still, what is the main problem (reason) for this? Iowa State. No one considers them quality or hardly even get mentioned they are from a power 5 conference. THAT is probably where we would put it another opponent of higher quality.
So mainly, Iowa State is the reason for most of this.
We are certainly not the #1 poser tho, not even close. A LOT of programs schedule similar to the way we do.
Still, what is the main problem (reason) for this? Iowa State. No one considers them quality or hardly even get mentioned they are from a power 5 conference. THAT is probably where we would put it another opponent of higher quality.
So mainly, Iowa State is the reason for most of this.
When you play FSU every year, you get a pass with the rest of your OOC scheduling. Sorry. That's just the way it is.
I dislike Colin Cowturd as much as the next guy, but you are missing his point. He isn't asking for Iowa to make every OOC game against a big team. He's asking for just one and he'll shut up about it.
College football is moving in the direction of big OOC matchups. The CFP is makes it necessary, especially if they ever expand it to 8 teams (may or may not happen). Iowa is simply falling behind when it comes to this.
no... this is where people show themselves as liars and hypocrites...
Iowa plays more Power 5 teams than 13 of the 14 SEC teams.
Iowa played Pittsburgh who was 2nd in the ACC Coastal Division
Florida played Florida State who was 2nd in the ACC Atlantic Division
equally comparable teams.... but... the kicker is.. Iowa played an additional Power 5 team... where as Florida did not....
Florida plays 3 cupcakes... Iowa only 2... unless you consider a Power 5 team that has beaten you 10 of the last 19 meetings, a cupcake.
you are not being honest when you criticize Iowa's schedule without the context of what other SEC teams are doing.
in other words... you are lying.. and not just lying... you are being a hypocrite.
not holding SEC teams up to the same standards that you are holding Iowa to.
and another thing.....
Iowa has 3 teams on their schedule this season that won 10 games a season ago.
Florida... in addition to playing 3 teams not in the Power Conferences... play only 2 teams that won 10 games a season ago.
if it weren't for Florida State, Florida would have only 1 team that won 10 games a season ago.... and Florida is in the SEC.
Then Minnesota gets in. If that OSU team was championship material, then they shouldn't lose to a terrible Minnesota team.
the system may allow for this to happen occasionally, but then whats the point of playing a championship game if you don't want a terrible team to be crowned champion in this scenario?
Sorry, fourteenandone, isu counts as a power 5 school in name only. isu is a relative cupcake for most teams. They just happen to be one that KF has had a poor record against.
They just aren't worthy of being considered as somehow worthwhile scheduling, no more than a mac or sunbelt team.
It's just not reasonable to give Iowa credit for playing isu as a power 5 school in the same way as the pitt games would be counted, for example.
Home and away with isu = home and away with a mac school, from a power perspective. Not that Iowa hasn't had plenty of experience losing to mac schools under KF as well.
They just aren't worthy of being considered as somehow worthwhile scheduling, no more than a mac or sunbelt team.
It's just not reasonable to give Iowa credit for playing isu as a power 5 school in the same way as the pitt games would be counted, for example.
Home and away with isu = home and away with a mac school, from a power perspective. Not that Iowa hasn't had plenty of experience losing to mac schools under KF as well.
I do wonder why Cowherd complained last year, when we did have Pitt on our schedule.
Are they not good enuf?
This year, he can have at us.
Are they not good enuf?
This year, he can have at us.
This year though we have 9 conference games so our schedule is automatically tougher. That's 7 automatic losses to be spread across the conference. The optimum schedule seems to be 8 conference games, 1 medium tough and 3 cupcakes OOC. That's how the SEC does it basically. I think expanding to 9 conference games is a mistake.
You're really comparing Pitt to FSU?
Listen here kilroy. There's a reason you didn't mention FSU and Pitt's record last year.
FSU 10-3 and finished the season #14
Pitt 8-5 and was in the top 25 for two weeks. They finished the season not even receiving top 25 votes.
You also bring up ISU as if they have any kind of merit. Let me set you straight on ISU too.
ISU has a winning record against 1 power 5 this millennium............. Kansas. So forgive me on this.... No ISU is not some great power 5 matchup.
You're delusional kilroy.
I'm not Kilroy...
Pittsburgh was 6-2 in the ACC Coastal Division...
Florida State was 6-2 in the ACC Atlantic Division...
both teams finished 2nd in their Division.
they are absolutely comparable... and you are a liar and a hypocrite to say otherwise...
and you calling me Kilroy absolutely proves you are a liar... everything you say is a lie.
John 8:44
Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do.
He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him.
When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.
Pitt finished the season 8-5
FSU finished the season 10-3
Pitt also played in the ACC Atlantic while FSU was in the ACC Coastal, the Coastal side being way more difficult last year with Clemson in it.
Pitt lost to Navy in their bowl game and FSU played in a NY 6 bowl.
Are you done yet? Stop comparing teams that are not comparable.
Quoting scripture is only cool if you're Jules Winnfield and you have a wallet inscribed with Bad Mother Effer.
the devil don't like Scripture, for sure... which explains why you don't think its cool.
but I'd also like to add... Pittsburgh has beaten Florida State 3 of their last 4 meetings.... 5 of the last 7 ... and are 5-4 overall against them.
technically Pittsburgh is a stronger team than Florida State... if you want to argue Florida State is better... that's fine... but they are absolutely comparable.... no question about it.. and you are lying if you say they ain't.
Your moniker tells me all I need to know about you, please slow down and read more carefully and between the lines, quoting scripture is cool, just not by you, now get back to class.
Serious question... do you think... ISU is... better than... FSU...??? if so then... we are the best team in... the country... cause we played.... very well in that game....
The Rams just beat the Seahawks, they also play them extremely well over the last few years. Must be the Rams are the better franchise then the Seahawks, haha I can't even say that with a straight face.
see... you are comparing Iowa State to Florida State... you should be comparing Iowa State to North Texas or UMass...
be honest about this...
side by side comparison... Florida vs Iowa
Presbyterian = North Dakota State (FCS)
North Texas (1-11) = Miami U (3-9)
UMass (3-9) = Iowa State (P5 3-9)
those are your honest comparisons...
if you are outraged that Iowa doesn't play a tougher schedule.... then you have to be equally outraged with Florida for not playing a tougher schedule.
*also.... Iowa plays 3 teams that won 10 games last season...
Northwestern - Wisconsin - Michigan
Florida only plays 2 teams that won 10 games last season...
Georgia - Florida State
There are 8 P5 teams that play in state P5 schools OOC every year. Clemson/SC,Georgia Tech/Georgia,Florida/Florida State, and Iowa/ISU. The problem is having to play such a historically bad team. The other matchups you may have 1 team as the favorite most years but it's not holy shit what happened.
On top of that the other 6 play 4 OOC. When Iowa did this they played ISU and another second tier P5 team most years. But those who bash never take this into account. The 9 game conference effects Iowa like no other team. If ISU was not so bad probably not an issue. But they are. KF's record against them doesn't make them less awful.
On top of that the other 6 play 4 OOC. When Iowa did this they played ISU and another second tier P5 team most years. But those who bash never take this into account. The 9 game conference effects Iowa like no other team. If ISU was not so bad probably not an issue. But they are. KF's record against them doesn't make them less awful.
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Iowa vs Iowa State is always an entertaining game....
its also a game that is good for both fans and players.
its an opportunity for the State's best athletes to compete against each other on a big stage.
Yes you are kilroy.
Yes everything is comparable. You can compare compare a windstar to a lamborghini, but that doesn't they are even in the same ball park.
You omit information that is 100% relevant when comparing two teams. That in and of itself isn't a lie. It's just ignorance. But when I point this out to you and you still omit this information, then you are a the one lying.
Kilroy did this too.
Go back to your hole kilroy.
I have no idea who Kilroy is... and you are showing yourself to me that you are incredibly paranoid and delusional.... as well as a hypocrite and a liar.
ok.... but just admit you hate Iowa kids... because that is the only reason why you want to take away this opportunity for them all.
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